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****Blair ready to isolate radical Muslims **
Militant clerics could be deported, some mosques shut

Jeffrey Fleishman, Los Angeles Times

Saturday, August 6, 2005**

London – With his nation shaken by last month’s bombings, British Prime Minister Tony Blair announced tough new anti-terrorism measures Friday that include shutting down radical mosques and deporting Muslim clerics who preach violence and hate.

Blair’s plan is designed to isolate religious extremists while giving wider powers to British counterterrorism forces in a country increasingly unnerved by militants. The proposals are an indication that the recent attacks on London’s transit system, which killed 52 people in addition to four suicide bombers on July 7, have forced the government to re-examine the line between civil rights and national security.

“Let no one be in any doubt, the rules of the game are changing,” Blair said during a 90-minute news conference.

12-point proposal

The prime minister’s 12-point objective is to rid the country of foreign Islamic militants and crush extremist voices among British citizens. Blair said his government was working on agreements with other nations to guarantee that people whom Britain would return to the Middle East and Africa would not be tortured or abused.

But emphasizing his determination for tougher anti-terror regulations, Blair said he would seek to amend human rights legislation if the courts don’t support his proposals for deportation and banning certain political parties.

“Coming to Britain is not a right,” Blair said. “And even when people have come here, staying here carries with it a duty. That duty is to share and support the values that sustain the British way of life. Those that break that duty and try to incite hatred or engage in violence against our country and its people have no place here.”

The measures, in many ways, run counter to Britons’ long-held view of their nation as one of the most open, multicultural societies in the world. Fear of global terrorism and rhetoric about jihad and radicalism by fringe Islamic organizations in Britain appear to have provided a mandate for changes that only a few years ago would have been nearly impossible.

Human rights groups and liberal members of Blair’s Labor Party immediately criticized the measures, which also call for making it a crime to “glorify” terrorism and cracking down on Web sites and bookshops peddling militant writings. Opponents said the plan would violate free speech and other civil rights.

“We don’t win by mimicking the profound authoritarianism of those who are plotting against this country,” said Shami Chakrabarti, director of the human rights group, Liberty. “I think it is very worrying that the prime minister has jeopardized our national unity today both in terms of community relations and in terms of consensus politics.”

Charles Kennedy, leader of the Liberal Democrats, said Blair’s broad plan, much of which needs parliamentary approval, risked “inflaming tensions and alienating people.”

London Mayor Ken Livingstone said he supported tougher laws, but he added that Blair’s plan “is so vague that 20 years ago, it would have meant banning Nelson Mandela or anyone supporting him.”

Challenge to Parliament

It is expected to be debated rigorously in Parliament by liberal politicians who unsuccessfully battled anti-terrorist legislation in 2002. But Conservatives largely embraced the proposals as a crucial shift in what they have viewed as a government too lenient on immigrants and foreign agitators.

The plan is forcing Britain, much like the United States did after the Sept. 11 attacks, to reflect on how far to push police powers. The measures do not appear as extensive as some imposed by the Bush administration, but they certainly move Britain in an authoritarian direction regarding civil liberties. This nation has long prided itself on multiculturalism, but following the July 7 and July 21 attacks, Blair’s approach seemed have found resonance.

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Britain and continental Europe have long been frustrated by religious clerics coming from the Middle East to preach hatred of the West from neighborhood mosques. Imams such as Egyptian-born Abu Hamza al-Masri, who lives in Britain but faces possible extradition to the United States on suspicion of terrorism, have been blamed for inciting young, frustrated Muslim men.

The suspects in the July 21 attempted bombing are believed to be British citizens of Muslim African descent who might have been radicalized by foreign elements.

Blair called for banning of the British offices of Hizb ut-Tahrir, or Party of Liberation, which has called for Europe to be ruled by Islamic law. The organization has already been banned in Germany.

“There will be serious repercussions in terms of community relations if this ban goes ahead,” said Imran Waheed, a spokesman for Hizb ut-Tahrir in Britain. “Our members are all for political expression, not for violence.”

The anti-terrorism plan was announced as Blair was battling critics over foreign policy, especially the war in Iraq, which most Britons opposed. Islamic radicals, including al Qaeda lieutenant Ayman al-Zawahiri in a video aired Thursday, have said terrorist attacks on Britain would continue because of Blair’s support for U.S. efforts in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Middle East.

Blair also said the government would establish within the Muslim community a commission to advise on how to better integrate into society “those parts of the community presently inadequately integrated.”

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Mosque chairman sparks fresh row (Compares Tony Blair to Hitler)
A Muslim leader says there are “similarities” between new powers to tackle Islamist extremism and Hitler’s demonisation of the Jews. Tony Blair wants measures to exclude foreigners who preach hate and to close places where terrorism is condoned.

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maybe its just me…but what is wrong with this? I commend Tony Blair for his actions.
 
Ok, don’t get me wrong, I’m all for deporting people who preach terrorism and killing or doing violence to infidels. It seems that’s what the British are doing, so I’m all for it.

That being said, I think we need to watch out when people use the broader term “extremist” instead of specifically using a word denoting violence and terrorism. I was watching Foxnews and they were talking about how Islamic extremism is rampant in Britain. To support their point they used a poll which said something like well over 50% of Muslims say they are Muslims first and Brits second. I would hope all people of faith would put God above national loyalties. I sure do. To label this kind of thing as “extremist” is very dangerous.

Likewise, I think we need to have a narrow definiton of what it means to “preach hate.” How many people accuse the Catholic Church of preaching hate against, say, homosexuals? Many Western and Eastern values nowadays need to be strongly condemned. I think using the term “preaching violence” would be a better phrase to use.

Anyway, that’s just my two cents. That Foxnews comment concerning that poll really bothered me. What do you all think?
 
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Superstar905:
maybe its just me…but what is wrong with this? I commend Tony Blair for his actions.
I don’t believe there’s anything wrong with this. I commend Blair as well. :clapping:
 
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Genesis315:
Ok, don’t get me wrong, I’m all for deporting people who preach terrorism and killing or doing violence to infidels. It seems that’s what the British are doing, so I’m all for it.

That being said, I think we need to watch out when people use the broader term “extremist” instead of specifically using a word denoting violence and terrorism. I was watching Foxnews and they were talking about how Islamic extremism is rampant in Britain. To support their point they used a poll which said something like well over 50% of Muslims say they are Muslims first and Brits second. I would hope all people of faith would put God above national loyalties. I sure do. To label this kind of thing as “extremist” is very dangerous.

Likewise, I think we need to have a narrow definiton of what it means to “preach hate.” How many people accuse the Catholic Church of preaching hate against, say, homosexuals? Many Western and Eastern values nowadays need to be strongly condemned. I think using the term “preaching violence” would be a better phrase to use.

Anyway, that’s just my two cents. That Foxnews comment concerning that poll really bothered me. What do you all think?
I think that deporting anyone who preaches terrorism is the right thing to do. But to deport someone on the account of that he/she is religious is absurd. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what they do in Britain.
 
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grotto:
Good going, Tony!!
Now lets do the same in the USA. Lets get the “back bone” to do what is necessary to protect our lives.
 
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Genesis315:
Ok, don’t get me wrong, I’m all for deporting people who preach terrorism and killing or doing violence to infidels. It seems that’s what the British are doing, so I’m all for it.

That being said, I think we need to watch out when people use the broader term “extremist” instead of specifically using a word denoting violence and terrorism. I was watching Foxnews and they were talking about how Islamic extremism is rampant in Britain. To support their point they used a poll which said something like well over 50% of Muslims say they are Muslims first and Brits second. I would hope all people of faith would put God above national loyalties. I sure do. To label this kind of thing as “extremist” is very dangerous.

Likewise, I think we need to have a narrow definiton of what it means to “preach hate.” How many people accuse the Catholic Church of preaching hate against, say, homosexuals? Many Western and Eastern values nowadays need to be strongly condemned. I think using the term “preaching violence” would be a better phrase to use.

Anyway, that’s just my two cents. That Foxnews comment concerning that poll really bothered me. What do you all think?
Well, Islamic terrorism must be removed from Western and these deportations are necessary but you are right saying asking WHAT IS EXTREMISM? It´s a diffcult definition in the relativist current world.
 
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