Bland Churches in the West

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I see quite a few like this in NE OH and Western PA, I’m always kind of surprised when I come to find that they are not actually Catholic churches.
On a thread a piece back, I posted interior and exterior photo of the East Liberty Presbyterian Church on CAF, and people were impressed. Years ago, they had a lunchroom in the building, and I worked nearby and sometimes had lunch there. Really fancy
 
Outside of the sanctuary and stations of the cross, it could easily be mistaken for another protestant church in the area, but it is still heavily reflective of the culture of South Carolinian Catholicism.


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Is this the cathedral? If so, I’d hardly call that plain. It’s beautiful! A church doesn’t have to be 500 years old to beautifully reflective of the traditions of the church.

By the way, the Dominican parish where I grew up is spectacularly ornate and grand. It is a gothic revival building that was built with donations.

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But, I do understand what you are saying about the mendicant orders. I’m just pointing out that when the people of the area want a grand church, they ablige.
 
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I don’t worry about it too much.
I like pretty things, but Jesus is as present in a tabernacle in a plain church as in an ornate church.
 
Is this the cathedral? If so, I’d hardly call that plain. It’s beautiful! A church doesn’t have to be 500 years old to beautifully reflective of the traditions of the church.
Yes, this is our Cathedral. I think it is very beautiful too. I wasn’t trying to say it was plain. Sorry if it came across that way. I was talking about Catholic churches adopting the local religious architecture. If you take away the sanctuary and the stations of the cross, then it could very well be many of the other Protestant churches in the city (and there are a lot; they don’t call Charleston the Holy City for nothing). While southern Protestant liturgical architecture can be somewhat ornate, I was trying to extrapolate that to more Presbyterian Anabaptist austerity in architecture found in other areas of the country.
But, I do understand what you are saying about the mendicant orders. I’m just pointing out that when the people of the area want a grand church, they ablige.
They usually do, if they have the money. I know of quite a few churches (including one parish our Order administrates) who wanted somewhat traditional churches but didn’t have the money. The architects who built them usually didn’t bend on their price, so architects who wanted to build something “new” low-balled prices just to get their church built. This happened rather often in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Sometimes even the cities forced the parishes to build them a certain way through the Urban Revitalization projects during that time period. We had to fight both the architect and the city tooth and nail when building a new parish church to throw out some of the more outlandish designs. We still got stuck with a steeple that leaks directly over the sanctuary, a half church-in-the-round with bad acoustics, and next to no parking. A lot of times the parishes are just happy to have a roof over their heads at the time of construction.
 
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This is a palace fit for a king 👍 . There is something very honorable and appropriate in this setting. I think religious art is a form of spiritual worship, but there is nothing wrong with a simple church. Although, my heart desires more for Him.
 
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Gnosticism and hypocrisy are the explanations. Gnosticism has the notion that the physical is bad. This idea permeates Protestantism. So the physical is of no importance. The hypocrisy is because people don’t live their individual lives like that. I mean the same people who insist on simplicity for God mostly don’t live in spartan homes, drive spartan cars, or go on simple vacations.

There is also some cultural element in rejecting beauty. It reflects the ugliness of our culture.

Also you don’t usually hear about people wanting to visit some modern, bland church in Europe. Instead they go to the beautiful, churches of old.
 
That’s my point in a less aggressive manner. I could learn a thing or two from your response.
 
Today my parish announced a $7,000,000 project to expand the parish buildings. Most of the money seems to be going to create meeting rooms and office space for the parish administrators and committees. Many meeting rooms. This is to be financed by the parish members. And our church is one of those bland modern ones, of course.
 
I like beautifully decorated churches, but an argument can also be made for humble churches. After all, Jesus was born in a manger, not a castle.
I actually think (in most instances) the more decorated the Church, the more humble.

Reason: it requires a lot of time & treasure of parshenors to make a Church beautiful. Typically, they do all of that in honor of God. They are not doing it to say “my Church looks prettier than yours.”

Now, it’s wrong if a priest is doing that on his own… but not when the Parish is doing it.
 
Today my parish announced a $7,000,000 project to expand the parish buildings. Most of the money seems to be going to create meeting rooms and office space for the parish administrators and committees. Many meeting rooms. This is to be financed by the parish members. And our church is one of those bland modern ones, of course.
Make sure the offices are not grand, massive offices which would be akin to a CEO.

Most business people and lawyers today have small offices. Parish employees don’t need large offices.

We reciently had a remodel at my Parish, and while I generally supported to project, I was pretty disappointed when I saw the size of the offices. They are massive, and we could have had more meeting space in the Parish center if they didn’t have such huge offices.
 
Was just talking to my parents about this in the weekend. Our church has the entrances on either side of the alter. Many people walk past the Tabernacle without being aware that they are passing by.
 
Can someone clarify why our religion of rich tradition has done this to itself?
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Trying out a new style. Traditional style Catholic churches looked modern in medieval times.
 
Hubby refers to these types of renos as “wreckovations” 😄 To be honest I can’t say I blame him.
 
Do you think beautiful and ornate buildings still inspire people, Europe has many yet it seems their churches are reduced to becoming virtual museums and remnants of what once was. If it doesn’t work in Europe (where less than 10% (if even that) practice regularly, how is it to be trusted to work elsewhere or am I extrapolating wildly and not taking into account other factors?
 
Well even the bland parishes of Europe don’t inspire people either apparently…

At least tourists want to visit the beautiful ones.
 
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Europe has got a beautiful church or a beautiful old building or a monument about every 5 feet along the sidewalk. They have too much of it. It ceased to impress them years ago. Plus many of them are poor and broke and see that stuff as just wealth that they don’t get to have.

The current US new churches I see being built are constructed in such a way that the building could easily be sold or repurposed into condos or something if the church had to close down. I have to admit that’s kind of a smart way to go. Many of the old, beautiful churches now in USA are in terrible neighborhoods. The residents can’t support the church and unless they can find a way to get other people interested in the church it will have to be closed and either demolished or sold to Protestants or gentrifiers who make condos out of it.

If I were ever as rich as a Trump or a Bloomberg, I would love to live in a repurposed old church. I don’t want a condo converted one, I just want to live in the church. It would certainly cut down on my sinning.
 
There’s always the issue that a lot of stuff costs money. Office buildings are usually built the way they are to save money. It would be unsurprising if the motivation for many churches is similar.
 
It ceased to impress them years ago. Plus many of them are poor and broke and see that stuff as just wealth that they don’t get to have.
Really now, I would think Europeans would be more comfortable thanks to a relatively generous social safety net, sure they not buy as much “stuff” as us, go out to restaurants or have large homes but they did trade it for a measure of economic security (state-supplied health care and higher education).
Many of the old, beautiful churches now in USA are in terrible neighborhoods.
An opportunity to create beauty and hope in desolation and bleakness (perhaps in the form of revitalizing these parishes as missions for the modern world (I like dreaming))?
If I were ever as rich as a Trump or a Bloomberg, I would love to live in a repurposed old church. I don’t want a condo converted one, I just want to live in the church. It would certainly cut down on my sinning.
I read somewhere about a former monastery being converted into a maternity home, while bittersweet in the dissolution of a monastery, at least there was an opportunity to create beautiful space for those in need of it.
 
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