Blasphemous quotes from Martin Luther

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Martin Luther, Lecture at Wittenberg:

(Letter to Melanchthon, August 1, 1521, American Edition, Luther’s Works, vol. 48, pp. 281-82).

(Comm. ad Galat, p.310).

(Commentary on Galatians).

(Tischreden (Table Talk), L.C.12.s.17).

(Table Talk in De Wette, 5.188; De Wette was a protestant scholar who collected the most significant sayings of Luther in several volumes).

(Weimar, Vol. 1, Pg. 487. Cf. Table Talk, No. 963)

(Trishreden, Weimer Edition, Vol. 2, Pg. 107)

(Table Talk, 2397b)

(Luther’s Works, Erlangen ed., 61:422)

(Erlangen, Vol. 61, pg. 422.)

(Luther’s Works, Jena ed., 1558, 2, 116; cited in P. F. O’Hare, “The Facts About Luther”, Rockford, 1987, 311).

(De Wette, 2.459).

David Goldstein, the zealous Catholic convert from Judaism, rightly remarked:

Goldstein goes on to explain the brutality of the Lutheran revolt: “The soldiers of the princes slaughtered the peasants, pillaged the churches and prevented Catholic worship in public. In this way Lutheranism was made the doctrine of the first Protestant Church — the State Church of Germany (1520).”

Life was brutal in many respects, both then & for long after, just as it had been long before the Reformation - so there is nothing remarkable in the cruelty (as we might, & perhaps rightly, see it) with which the 1525 revolts were suppressed.​

I certainly can’t see any reason for us Catholics to complain of being hard done by - & even less, for digging up the past. This really is something we should avoid doing, for many reasons.

As for Lutheranism being “the State Church of Germany” - this is not the case. Germany was not unified until the second half of the 19th century, like Italy. And like Italy it was in the 1520s, & before & long after, a patchwork of states & duchies & towns & principalities & other independent polities - so it is simply untrue to talk of a Protestant State Church. Some princes & towns were Lutheran, others were Catholics, others (in due course) were Reformed. It was in no sense politically united.

 

[Contarini]

Very nicely said.

Many historical accounts recall how Luther faced intense, sensational, and at times very dangerous opposition instigated by The Council of Trent

Hardly, given that the Council was called just before Luther died. You are indulging in your customary license with the facts of history again.

and yes; it is true; how that "Martin Luther, as an Augustinian Monk in The University Of Wittenburg, came reluctantly to believe that “the Papacy is in truth…very Anti-Christ;” BUT, in setting Protestants and others a truely Christian example, he was willing to except individual Popes from this allegation.

It wasn’t about individual Popes at all. It was about the office of the Papacy. That’s why Luther’s idea is so radically wrong.

In fact; Luther had actually dedicated his most beautiful tract, “Concerning Christian Liberty,” to Pope Leo X on the basis that Leo was worthy of being a Pope in better times." (see God Cares, by C. Mervyn Maxwell, pg.123).

That was fairly early, just about the time he was concluding that the Papacy was Antichrist–things were not set in stone, yet, and dedications can never be taken quite at face value.

You’re doing some whitewashing. That doesn’t help persuade the Catholics that the OP is slanderous. We need to try to be as accurate as possible on both sides.

Edwin

 

[MDK]

Very nicely said.

Many historical accounts recall how Luther faced intense, sensational, and at times very dangerous opposition instigated by The Council of Trent, and the Catholic Church, and yes; it is true; how that "Martin Luther, as an Augustinian Monk in The University Of Wittenburg, came reluctantly to believe that “the Papacy is in truth…very Anti-Christ;” BUT, in setting Protestants and others a truely Christian example, he was willing to except individual Popes from this allegation.

In fact; Luther had actually dedicated his most beautiful tract, “Concerning Christian Liberty,” to Pope Leo X on the basis that Leo was worthy of being a Pope in better times." (see God Cares, by C. Mervyn Maxwell, pg.123).

Who is Martin Luther to override what Christ established? It is the very arrogant nature of Luther that made it hard to accept Christ and what Christ built. In order to receive Christ, one has to be humble, do they not?

 

[PerryJ]

One can attempt to dispute quotes from Martin Luther; however, it would be futile to attempt to portray this individual in a positive light. History clearly shows that he was political in nature, supported the murder of 100,000 of his own followers, and was anti-Semitic. The history of this man can not be changed just because one does not like it.

The Catholic faith has some less then stellar Popes and we except them and the burden they place on our faith. Similarly, Protestants should accept that the man they place their faith in had many very serious flaws and was far from righteous.

The difference is the Catholic Faith believes that the Holy Spirit protects our faith via the magesterium. The Protestants appear to believe in the Holy Spirit protecting individual’s interpretation. Their faith is based upon the interpretation of the Bible by a man that was uncharitable and at times barbaric. One can not deny Luther’s history.

 

[khutcheson]

Yes, that is a valid point. I can go along with that. But merely accusing him of giving false quotes, when he has provided the sources, and without any evidence to back it up, is not the right way.

zerinus

Fair enough. OP cites the Commentary on St. Paul’s Epistle to the Galations at page 310. I happen to have the tome on my desk at work.

It doesn’t contained the quote cited by the OP anywhere on that page.

 

[cath2lic4ever]

One can attempt to dispute quotes from Martin Luther; however, it would be futile to attempt to portray this individual in a positive light. History clearly shows that he was political in nature, supported the murder of 100,000 of his own followers, and was anti-Semitic. The history of this man can not be changed just because one does not like it.

The Catholic faith has some less then stellar Popes and we except them and the burden they place on our faith. Similarly, Protestants should accept that the man they place their faith in had many very serious flaws and was far from righteous.

The difference is the Catholic Faith believes that the Holy Spirit protects our faith via the magesterium. The Protestants appear to believe in the Holy Spirit protecting individual’s interpretation. Their faith is based upon the interpretation of the Bible by a man that was uncharitable and at times barbaric. One can not deny Luther’s history.

another reason for me to embrace CATHOLICISM more. GOD bless & prayers to all!

 

[TriuneUnity]

One can attempt to dispute quotes from Martin Luther; however, it would be futile to attempt to portray this individual in a positive light. History clearly shows that he was political in nature, supported the murder of 100,000 of his own followers, and was anti-Semitic. The history of this man can not be changed just because one does not like it.

The Catholic faith has some less then stellar Popes and we except them and the burden they place on our faith. Similarly, Protestants should accept that the man they place their faith in had many very serious flaws and was far from righteous.

There is none righteous, no not one. Including Martin Luther, every single Pope that has ever existed.

Praise be to Christ who is our righteousness!

 

[cath2lic4ever]

There is none righteous, no not one. Including Martin Luther, every single Pope that has ever existed.

Praise be to Christ who is our righteousness!

sorry but wrong comparison. figure it out? amen praise be to GOD!

 

[Jonathan_Cid]

These quotes are interesting, to say the least. I don’t see how they could have all been twisted. Calling the Ten Commandments, the Law Christ came to fulfill, “stupid”? Sounds stupid to me.

“If we allow them - the Commandments - any influence in our conscience, they become the cloak of all evil, heresies and blasphemies”

He seems to really have something against the Ten Commandments.

“I have greater confidence in my wife and my pupils than I have in Christ”

At the very least, the quotes are interesting.

 

[Robbinson]

It is troubling to me that the man arguably most responsible for the protestant reformation through a new interpretation of scripture (or at least new emphasis on jusitification through faith without works (his words, faith alone) turned out to be a virulent anti-semite. Its hard to understand how one could be a new creature in Christ and have Christ in their heart and be antisemetic - that is so inconsistent with the gospel. (This isn’t based on the original OP - its been well established that Luther’s later writings were terribly antisemetic).

I’m not judging Luther, however, that is God’s job, not ours - but it should make us all pause as good trees do not produce bad fruit.

Of course - this doesn’t mean he most have been wrong - Judas betrayed Christ and that is not an indictment of Christianity - so Luther’s failing need not be perceived as an indication that all of the reformation is errant. But its disturbing.

Blessings,

Brian

 

[reteeks21]

Typical of people out to bash Luther. He are some quotes about Jews from famous, holy and saintly pontiffs:

Pope Clement VIII: “The Bible itself says that the Jews are an accursed people.”

Pope Saint Pius V: “Besides usury, through which Jews everywhere have sucked dry the property of impoverished Christians, they are accomplices of thieves and robbers.” (Hebraeorum Gens)

Pope Benedict XIV: “Furthermore, by means of their particular practice of commerce, they amass a great store of money and then by an exorbitant rate of interest utterly destroy the wealth and inheritance of Christians.” (A Quo Primum)

Pope Clement VIII: “All the world suffers from the usury of the Jews, their monopolies and deceit. They have brought many unfortunate people into a state of poverty, especially the farmers, working class people and the very poor. …] Their ethical and moral doctrines as well as their deeds rightly deserve to be exposed to criticism in whatever country they happen to live.”

Pope Saint Sylvester I at the First Ecumenical Council of Nicea: “Concerning the prohibition of usury and base gain by the clergy; and concerning the prohibition against conversing or eating with the Jews. No priest shall set money out at interest or take unfair profit or be friendly or sociable with Jews; nor should anyone take food or drink with the Jews; for if this was decreed by the holy apostles, it is incumbent upon the faithful to obey their command; and the synod shall excommunicate any one who does not comply with this order.”

Also, here are some other instances of how Jews have been treated by Catholics throughout history (mass expulsion):

1. 250: Carthage;
2. 415: Alexandria;
3. 554: Diocese of Clement (France);
4. 561: Diocese of Uzzes (France);
5. 612: Visigoth Spain;
6. 642: Visigoth Empire;
7. 855: Italy;
8. 876: Sens;
9. 1012: Mayence;
10. 1181: France;
11. 1290: England;
12. 1306: France;
13. 1348: Switzerland;
14. 1349: Hielbronn (Germany);
15. 1349: Hungary;
16. 1388: Strasbourg;
17. 1394: Germany;
18. 1394: France;
19. 1422: Austria;
20. 1424: Fribourg & Zurich;
21. 1426: Cologne
22. 1432: Savory;
23. 1438: Mainz;
24. 1439: Augsburg;
25. 1446: Bavaria;
26. 1453: Franconis;
27. 1453: Breslau;
28. 1454: Wurzburg;
29. 1485: Vincenza (Italy);
30. 1492: Spain;
31. 1495: Lithuania;
32. 1497: Portugal;
33. 1499: Germany;

 

[Robbinson]

Typical of people out to bash Luther. He are some quotes about Jews from famous, holy and saintly pontiffs:

Pope Clement VIII: “The Bible itself says that the Jews are an accursed people.”

Pope Saint Pius V: “Besides usury, through which Jews everywhere have sucked dry the property of impoverished Christians, they are accomplices of thieves and robbers.” (Hebraeorum Gens)

Pope Benedict XIV: “Furthermore, by means of their particular practice of commerce, they amass a great store of money and then by an exorbitant rate of interest utterly destroy the wealth and inheritance of Christians.” (A Quo Primum)

Pope Clement VIII: “All the world suffers from the usury of the Jews, their monopolies and deceit. They have brought many unfortunate people into a state of poverty, especially the farmers, working class people and the very poor. …] Their ethical and moral doctrines as well as their deeds rightly deserve to be exposed to criticism in whatever country they happen to live.”

Pope Saint Sylvester I at the First Ecumenical Council of Nicea: “Concerning the prohibition of usury and base gain by the clergy; and concerning the prohibition against conversing or eating with the Jews. No priest shall set money out at interest or take unfair profit or be friendly or sociable with Jews; nor should anyone take food or drink with the Jews; for if this was decreed by the holy apostles, it is incumbent upon the faithful to obey their command; and the synod shall excommunicate any one who does not comply with this order.”

Also, here are some other instances of how Jews have been treated by Catholics throughout history (mass expulsion):

1. 250: Carthage;
2. 415: Alexandria;
3. 554: Diocese of Clement (France);
4. 561: Diocese of Uzzes (France);
5. 612: Visigoth Spain;
6. 642: Visigoth Empire;
7. 855: Italy;
8. 876: Sens;
9. 1012: Mayence;
10. 1181: France;
11. 1290: England;
12. 1306: France;
13. 1348: Switzerland;
14. 1349: Hielbronn (Germany);
15. 1349: Hungary;
16. 1388: Strasbourg;
17. 1394: Germany;
18. 1394: France;
19. 1422: Austria;
20. 1424: Fribourg & Zurich;
21. 1426: Cologne
22. 1432: Savory;
23. 1438: Mainz;
24. 1439: Augsburg;
25. 1446: Bavaria;
26. 1453: Franconis;
27. 1453: Breslau;
28. 1454: Wurzburg;
29. 1485: Vincenza (Italy);
30. 1492: Spain;
31. 1495: Lithuania;
32. 1497: Portugal;
33. 1499: Germany;

Interesting - thank you for sharing. Perhaps this demonstrates there is corruption everywhere throughout the body of Christ as we all remain vulnerable to sin - and makes it even more important that each of us (as Christians) speak up for what is right and work for unity in the body of Christ and healing within the body of Christ.

Blessings,

Brian

 

[reteeks21]

Interesting - thank you for sharing. Perhaps this demonstrates there is corruption everywhere throughout the body of Christ as we all remain vulnerable to sin - and makes it even more important that each of us (as Christians) speak up for what is right and work for unity in the body of Christ and healing within the body of Christ.

Blessings,

Brian

Absolutely. That was the point I wanted to get across. Too often Protestant leaders are made to look evil (and some of them did do eveil things), but so did many popes throughout the years. It wasn’t an attack; it was just a way to try and balance out the arguement.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Typical of people out to bash Luther. He are some quotes about Jews from famous, holy and saintly pontiffs:

Pope Clement VIII: “The Bible itself says that the Jews are an accursed people.”

Pope Saint Pius V: “Besides usury, through which Jews everywhere have sucked dry the property of impoverished Christians, they are accomplices of thieves and robbers.” (Hebraeorum Gens)

Pope Benedict XIV: “Furthermore, by means of their particular practice of commerce, they amass a great store of money and then by an exorbitant rate of interest utterly destroy the wealth and inheritance of Christians.” (A Quo Primum)

Pope Clement VIII: “All the world suffers from the usury of the Jews, their monopolies and deceit. They have brought many unfortunate people into a state of poverty, especially the farmers, working class people and the very poor. …] Their ethical and moral doctrines as well as their deeds rightly deserve to be exposed to criticism in whatever country they happen to live.”

Pope Saint Sylvester I at the First Ecumenical Council of Nicea: “Concerning the prohibition of usury and base gain by the clergy; and concerning the prohibition against conversing or eating with the Jews. No priest shall set money out at interest or take unfair profit or be friendly or sociable with Jews; nor should anyone take food or drink with the Jews; for if this was decreed by the holy apostles, it is incumbent upon the faithful to obey their command; and the synod shall excommunicate any one who does not comply with this order.”

Also, here are some other instances of how Jews have been treated by Catholics throughout history (mass expulsion):

1. 250: Carthage;
2. 415: Alexandria;
3. 554: Diocese of Clement (France);
4. 561: Diocese of Uzzes (France);
5. 612: Visigoth Spain;
6. 642: Visigoth Empire;
7. 855: Italy;
8. 876: Sens;
9. 1012: Mayence;
10. 1181: France;
11. 1290: England;
12. 1306: France;
13. 1348: Switzerland;
14. 1349: Hielbronn (Germany);
15. 1349: Hungary;
16. 1388: Strasbourg;
17. 1394: Germany;
18. 1394: France;
19. 1422: Austria;
20. 1424: Fribourg & Zurich;
21. 1426: Cologne
22. 1432: Savory;
23. 1438: Mainz;
24. 1439: Augsburg;
25. 1446: Bavaria;
26. 1453: Franconis;
27. 1453: Breslau;
28. 1454: Wurzburg;
29. 1485: Vincenza (Italy);
30. 1492: Spain;
31. 1495: Lithuania;
32. 1497: Portugal;
33. 1499: Germany;

There is nothing blasphemous here. contrary to what ML statements. good try though.

Plus this is only demonstrating the suffers of the early Catholics.

Peace.

 

[cath2lic4ever]

Typical of people out to bash Luther. He are some quotes about Jews from famous, holy and saintly pontiffs:

Pope Clement VIII: “The Bible itself says that the Jews are an accursed people.”

Pope Saint Pius V: “Besides usury, through which Jews everywhere have sucked dry the property of impoverished Christians, they are accomplices of thieves and robbers.” (Hebraeorum Gens)

Pope Benedict XIV: “Furthermore, by means of their particular practice of commerce, they amass a great store of money and then by an exorbitant rate of interest utterly destroy the wealth and inheritance of Christians.” (A Quo Primum)

Pope Clement VIII: “All the world suffers from the usury of the Jews, their monopolies and deceit. They have brought many unfortunate people into a state of poverty, especially the farmers, working class people and the very poor. …] Their ethical and moral doctrines as well as their deeds rightly deserve to be exposed to criticism in whatever country they happen to live.”

Pope Saint Sylvester I at the First Ecumenical Council of Nicea: “Concerning the prohibition of usury and base gain by the clergy; and concerning the prohibition against conversing or eating with the Jews. No priest shall set money out at interest or take unfair profit or be friendly or sociable with Jews; nor should anyone take food or drink with the Jews; for if this was decreed by the holy apostles, it is incumbent upon the faithful to obey their command; and the synod shall excommunicate any one who does not comply with this order.”

Also, here are some other instances of how Jews have been treated by Catholics throughout history (mass expulsion):

1. 250: Carthage;
2. 415: Alexandria;
3. 554: Diocese of Clement (France);
4. 561: Diocese of Uzzes (France);
5. 612: Visigoth Spain;
6. 642: Visigoth Empire;
7. 855: Italy;
8. 876: Sens;
9. 1012: Mayence;
10. 1181: France;
11. 1290: England;
12. 1306: France;
13. 1348: Switzerland;
14. 1349: Hielbronn (Germany);
15. 1349: Hungary;
16. 1388: Strasbourg;
17. 1394: Germany;
18. 1394: France;
19. 1422: Austria;
20. 1424: Fribourg & Zurich;
21. 1426: Cologne
22. 1432: Savory;
23. 1438: Mainz;
24. 1439: Augsburg;
25. 1446: Bavaria;
26. 1453: Franconis;
27. 1453: Breslau;
28. 1454: Wurzburg;
29. 1485: Vincenza (Italy);
30. 1492: Spain;
31. 1495: Lithuania;
32. 1497: Portugal;
33. 1499: Germany;

certainly nothing blasphemous here. thread is about : blasphemous quotes from martin luther. stick with this topic if you can’t start another thread. the guy blasphemed period

 

[PerryJ]

Absolutely. That was the point I wanted to get across. Too often Protestant leaders are made to look evil (and some of them did do eveil things), but so did many popes throughout the years. It wasn’t an attack; it was just a way to try and balance out the arguement.

The difference is that we do not hold out Pope’s to be perfect. We hold that the Holy Spirit protects the teachings of the Church via the Pope and the Magesterium. We also do not hold that the Pope will be provided personal inspiration from the Holy Spirit. A Pope can be ignorant; yet, the Holy Spirit will still protect the teachings of the faith.

Luther changed the faith to meet his own inequity. He was distraught over this lack of adequacy in the confessional. He therefore changed the Bible and its teaching to meet his personal needs. To follow his teachings is to follow his personal inspiration and his personal convictions. To be Protestant appears to mean that one follows the weakness of an individual man. To follow his personal inspiration of the Bible viewed threw his own inadequacy. His weaknesses are demonstrated by quotes and actions recorded in history. The thought that he left the Church because of indulgences is not accurate. It was his personal emotions of inadequcy that caused him to change the concept of the Bible and add the word alone to Romans. Not to understate that he had issues with indulgences as he did; however, this was not the starting point of his departure from the Church. The concept of Faith alone was and is based upon Luther’s feeling of inadequacy during confession.

 

[khutcheson]

Luther changed the faith to meet his own inequity. He was distraught over this lack of adequacy in the confessional…
He therefore changed the Bible and its teaching to meet his personal needs. The thought that he left the Church because of indulgences is not accurate. It was his personal emotions of inadequcy that caused him to change the concept of the Bible and add the word alone to Romans. Not to understate that he had issues with indulgences as he did; however, this was not the starting point of his departure from the Church. The concept of Faith alone was and is based upon Luther’s feeling of inadequacy during confession.

Any evidence to support this contention?

 

[PerryJ]

Any evidence to support this contention?

On Monday I will bring quotes and authors from two secular books on Luther that I have read. I do not have them with me.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Any evidence to support this contention?

Yes. he was a Catholic who fell away. certainly you guys dont believe what His former Church teaches. right?

Why? Look what you believe and what Catholics believe and what the early Church tought and what your pastors teach today.

peace.

 

[khutcheson]

Yes. he was a Catholic who fell away. certainly you guys dont believe what His former Church teaches. right?

Why? Look what you believe and what Catholics believe and what the early Church tought and what your pastors teach today.

peace.

I was hoping for a serious response, not an argument or debate.

The poster alleged that “The concept of Faith alone was and is based upon Luther’s feeling of inadequacy during confession.” I have never heard this and wondered what he based this assertion on.