Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit - the unforgiveable sin

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Sounds to me like your mind is trying desperately to turn from God but your soul won’t let you.

You want someone to come along with all the answers so you can let yourself fully turn back to God.

Why do you think that is? It could be that God won’t let go of you because He knows that you still want him.

God is not meek or timid. He is a fierce lion and a ‘Hound of Heaven’.
 
Lost_Sheep said:
Probably not, but then I really have been.
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“Rather, it is your crimes that separate you from your God, It is your sins that make him hide his face so that he will not hear you.” - Isaiah 59:2

Well, make sure you are in a state of grace if you want Him to hear your prayers in the manner you desire.
 
Sbee0 said:
From what I understand “Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit” - the sin Jesus calls unforgiveable in his life and the next - is rejection of God’s mercy and forgiveness. Or denial that your sins really are forgiven in reconciliation.

Who would do such a thing though? I can’t envision why someone who has come to know God could reject his mercy? I wondered if Jesus was referring to a type of person in particular?
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It’s actually even MORE BASIC than that: it is the very DENIAL of the existence of GOD

Blessings,
Patrick
 
Mboo said:
How many are the sins against the Holy Ghost?
The sins against the Holy Ghost are six:
(1) Despairing of being saved;
(2) Presuming on being saved without merit;
(3) Opposing the known truth;
(4) Envying another’s graces;
(5) Obstinately remaining in sin;
(6) Final impenitence.

Why are these sins specially said to be against the Holy Ghost?
These sins are specially said to be against the Holy Ghost, because they are committed through pure malice, which is contrary to goodness, the special attribute of the Holy Ghost.
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Thanks for this Mboo!

Judas Iscariot is an example of one who refused to believe the erc of God was rater than his sin. And Jesus truly did everything that could have POSSIBLY been done to show/teach/love Judas into knowing His mercy is for EVERYTHING. Itg wasn’t lack of understanding, but Judas REFUSAL to believe. He is an eample of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

18 years ago I was on a hunt for truth, because I had read Rome Sweet Home and thought it must be wrong, somewhere! I asked the Holy Spirit to lead me into the truth about the Catholic Church, a church i wanted no part of - I liked my old Christian practice - a lot! I was at home there, and I never felt at home amongst Catholics. I also felt close to God where I was, and I did not feel close to God among Catholics. Well, after some study, deep and intense, I realized I did believe. And then it occured to me VERY WRONG with that thought, and I knew I could not entertain it. I know it had something to do with the Holy Spirit - the sure thought came to me that asking the Holy Spirit to lead me to the truth and then saying, “Oh, no thanks, being Catholic is not convenient for me” was a sort of blaspheming the Holy Spirit. I did not understand why, but later someone said something to confirm it. So, according to St. Pius X, I would have been “Opposing a known truth.”

I would guess perhaps that Judas Iscariot, who lived and learned under unfathomable Love, probably committed all 6 of those sins against the Holy Ghost.
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Deacon Jeff,

As I stated in another post in this thread, the notion that “God so loved us that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him may not perish but have eternal life.” really doesn’t mean much to me because, to me, it is such an abstract concept.

Now if my life was in immediate danger right now, and someone “took a bullet” for me, I could relate to that. I could see it. I could see him bleed. I could witness his death. I could see the suffering in his eyes and the mourning of his family.

But Jesus is someone I never knew personally, who died over two thousand years ago. And if God is as all mighty and all powerful, He could have saved man with one snap of His fingers or one wave of His hand. All the theatrics of Jesus’ life would not have been necessary.

So Jesus “dying for me” doesn’t cut much ice. I need more than that. I need something more real and less abstruse. I need something that makes me think “Wow! I’ve never thought about it like that before! You know? You could be right!” So far, this has eluded me.

-LS
 
Well, that pretty much confirms what I’ve believed all along. God DOESN’T care about me.

-LS
 
Latetotheparty said:
Sounds to me like your mind is trying desperately to turn from God but your soul won’t let you.

You want someone to come along with all the answers so you can let yourself fully turn back to God.

Why do you think that is? It could be that God won’t let go of you because He knows that you still want him.

God is not meek or timid. He is a fierce lion and a ‘Hound of Heaven’.
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Then what is taking Him so long?

-LS
 
AugustTherese said:
And, yet, He allowed His own Son to suffer the most indescribable agony
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OK. One more time. “Jesus dying for my sins” does not faze me. Please stop using that to support your argument. It has absolutely zero meaning to me. It is way too abstract a concept to have credibility.

-TS
 
yes but go to the end of my sentence. I said that some suffer a hundred times more than him, but without any complain, keeping faith in God, and knowing that God will reward their patience a hundredfold!
we must look at those who suffer more than us, without complaining, in order to relativize our sufferings.
And we can also look at those who seem to have everything we seek, but who seems to complain more than us, to understand that what we are looking for, may will not make us happy as we think.
 
So what you are saying is, if I’m not suffering, I’m not doing it right. Is that it?

-LS
 
Lost_Sheep said:
So what you are saying is, if I’m not suffering, I’m not doing it right. Is that it?
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I do not understand what you mean by that.
I mean that our suffering is in no way a sign that God does not love us, because we can be happy in our present suffering if, for example, we keep hope. And when we have Hope, our suffering may even be the reason for greater joy now.
 
As I understand it, another sin against the Holy Ghost would be to be re-baptized. When we are baptized is when we receive the Holy Spirit, so to do it again would be to suggest that what the Holy Ghost did the first time around was somehow insufficient.
 
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  1. Everything happens in God’s time. No one can tell you when that is.
  2. You are stopping him by (mentioned before) by your attempts to turn away. God is a fierce lion relentlessly chasing you but He will never force you to turn to Him and love Him.
 
Lost_Sheep said:
Deacon Jeff,

As I stated in another post in this thread, the notion that “God so loved us that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him may not perish but have eternal life.” really doesn’t mean much to me because, to me, it is such an abstract concept.

Now if my life was in immediate danger right now, and someone “took a bullet” for me, I could relate to that. I could see it. I could see him bleed. I could witness his death. I could see the suffering in his eyes and the mourning of his family.

But Jesus is someone I never knew personally, who died over two thousand years ago. And if God is as all mighty and all powerful, He could have saved man with one snap of His fingers or one wave of His hand. All the theatrics of Jesus’ life would not have been necessary.

So Jesus “dying for me” doesn’t cut much ice. I need more than that. I need something more real and less abstruse. I need something that makes me think “Wow! I’ve never thought about it like that before! You know? You could be right!” So far, this has eluded me.

-LS
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I don’t think there’s anything abstract in any way shape or form whatsoever about our redemption given to us by Jesus, God Himself manifested on earth as His son.

A good read:

 
Lost_Sheep said:
OK, I’ll put it another way. Are you saying a person HAS to suffer in order to find favor with God?

-TS
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A person must suffer for charity, or must make his suffering an act of charity to have the favor of God.
But when we suffer with impatience, and without charity, our suffering does not grant us any favor from God.
 
Well, if this is true it wouldn’t hurt for Him to sweeten the pot a little. Maybe he wants me to choose to be with Him, but I have yet to see anything that would make me want to choose to be with him. Every day He is causing me to suffer (or at least failing to stop it). And I’m supposed to worship this guy and want to be in Heaven with him??

If my life on Earth is any indication of how my God “loves” me then I would I even want to go to Heaven?

-TS
 
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