Blessing in a mormon church?

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Karin:
here ya go Z…🙂 answers.com/topic/church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints

Okay, thanks. I checked. The information is correct, and it confirms what I said. Children of record are NOT official members of the Church. Their numbers are mentioned for statistical purposes only, because 99.9 percent of the time such children belong to Church members, therefore there is a statistical significance in their numbers. But from the point of view of a non-member whose child may have been blessed, it has no significance at all.

zerinus
 
zerinus said:
. Children of record are NOT official members of the Church.
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There are two purposes to the blessing of babies. One is to have their names entered on the records of the Church. When a baby is blessed, a membership record is made out for that person, who is listed as “A Child of Record,” and is counted in the Church statistics. From such records the Primary rolls are made, and children are assigned to their different classes in the Primary.
A second purpose is to give the child a blessing. This blessing, pronounced by the authority of the Holy Priesthood and undoubtedly recorded in heaven, will have an influence for good in the child’s life. The powers of heaven will be inclined in the direction of the inspired blessing, and the parents will receive information to guide them in directing the life of their infant child. The blessing of babies is one of the ordinances of the gospel.
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Karin said:
There are two purposes to the blessing of babies. One is to have their names entered on the records of the Church. When a baby is blessed, a membership record is made out for that person, who is listed as “A Child of Record,” and is counted in the Church statistics. From such records the Primary rolls are made, and children are assigned to their different classes in the Primary.
A second purpose is to give the child a blessing. This blessing, pronounced by the authority of the Holy Priesthood and undoubtedly recorded in heaven, will have an influence for good in the child’s life. The powers of heaven will be inclined in the direction of the inspired blessing, and the parents will receive information to guide them in directing the life of their infant child. The blessing of babies is one of the ordinances of the gospel.
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This information is not correct. “Membership records” are not issued for children of record. A membership record can only be issued to someone who is baptized into the Church according to the proper procedure. A child of record is not a member of the Church, and cannot have a membership record.

zerinus
 
zerinus said:
This information is not correct. “Membership records” are not issued for children of record. A membership record can only be issued to someone who is baptized into the Church according to the proper procedure. A child of record is not a member of the Church, and cannot have a membership record.

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O-KAY;) …if you say so
 
Alright well thanks for everyones help. One thing to clarify is that my sister in law is not Mormon and she has no loyalties to the LDS church. She was considering this out of respect for her father who is mormon. She told me though that she didnt want to do anything that would undermine the babies Catholic faith, since she told me the baby was going to be raised catholic. I am going to tell her that I don’t support it, but the end decision is up to her and my brother and my opinion is only my opinion.

I think that since the baby is put on record with the Mormon Church and that she would then by default become a member of the Mormon church would be something that would gravely, “undermine the babies Catholic faith” and the fact that she would be targeted by mormon missionaries would also scare her away.

Can someone tell me if this is true. I read a news article a week or so ago that said only about 30% of practicing mormons are allowed in their temples… So then would my brother and his wife even be allowed to attend the blessing service if they went along with it? Since there are even mormons who are not allowed in the temple?
 
I grew up Mormon and my husband grew up Catholic. When we married, I agreed to raise the kids as Catholic, but in the back of my mind I expected that my husband would convert. God had other plans!đź‘Ť

Our first child was baptized Catholic and blessed in the Mormon church. I paid little attention to her baptism, as for me at the time I didn’t believe in it. My SIL, who is my daughter’s GodMother, was very very irritated during the blessing. I don’t mean that in a bad way, but she was disturbed that she had just agreed to help raise my daughter with a clear Catholic faith, and here she was having to witness her GodDaughter being blessed as a Mormon.

I would not recommend it. Looking back with the 20/20 vision I have now, I wish I had not had her blessed.

in Christ
Steph
 
Roman_Catholic said:
Alright well thanks for everyones help. One thing to clarify is that my sister in law is not Mormon and she has no loyalties to the LDS church. She was considering this out of respect for her father who is mormon. She told me though that she didnt want to do anything that would undermine the babies Catholic faith, since she told me the baby was going to be raised catholic. I am going to tell her that I don’t support it, but the end decision is up to her and my brother and my opinion is only my opinion.

I think that since the baby is put on record with the Mormon Church and that she would then by default become a member of the Mormon church would be something that would gravely, “undermine the babies Catholic faith” and the fact that she would be targeted by mormon missionaries would also scare her away.

Can someone tell me if this is true. I read a news article a week or so ago that said only about 30% of practicing mormons are allowed in their temples… So then would my brother and his wife even be allowed to attend the blessing service if they went along with it? Since there are even mormons who are not allowed in the temple?
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Hi Roman_Catholic,

As far as that statistic, it’s probably true as the requirements to enter the temple are pretty stringent. However, baby blessings are done at the local ward building during the Sunday service (sacrament meeting). Just to note too, only priesthood holders (Mormon men) can do the blessings, so not only would your SIL have to just watch, your brother not being a Mormon priesthood holder could not participate in the blessing either. Only her father and other men he chooses can do the blessing.

As far as children of record go, they are indeed made “children of record” and counted in church statistics, however they are officially “members” at their baptism. But here is our story which is not unique…

Our oldest son was a “child of record” and we know for a fact his name was on file in SLC as we got a phone call from member records asking confirmation on how to spell his name. When he neared the age for baptism, we had not been active for several years. The missionaries came by all the time encouraging us to have him baptized, wanting to give him discussions, etc. It bordered on harrassment until my husband put his foot down saying we would not have him baptized. I will say this, I believe that if the child of record is not baptized in due time, the record is eventually purged.

And as a missionary, my husband and companion also sought out children of record to encourage baptism.

Hope this info helps a little, it’s been several years since we were “active members”. (We’ve since had our records removed officially).

Andrea
 
Roman_Catholic said:
I think that since the baby is put on record with the Mormon Church and that she would then by default become a member of the Mormon church would be something that would gravely, “undermine the babies Catholic faith” and the fact that she would be targeted by mormon missionaries would also scare her away.
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I thought I just explained to you that becoming a child of record does NOT mean that “she would then by default become a member of the Mormon church”? Did I not write good English or what?
Can someone tell me if this is true. I read a news article a week or so ago that said only about 30% of practicing mormons are allowed in their temples… So then would my brother and his wife even be allowed to attend the blessing service if they went along with it? Since there are even mormons who are not allowed in the temple?
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The blessing of children is not performed in temples.

zerinus
 
Did I not write good English or what?
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No I looked at someone else’s response about it being a membership record and I didnt read your response to them about it not making them a member of the church before I posted that. Since it went past my time I had to edit it I didnt.
The blessing of children is not performed in temples.
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Alright, I was a little confused about that.

Two more questions since I just talked to her. One for you zerinus and then one to other Catholics on here.
  1. Zerinus her dad said that he doesnt have to have it done in a mormon Church, that he can do it himself at his house and the mormon church wouldnt have to know and therefore my niece wouldnt be on any records and then also she wouldnt have to worry about missionaries. Can he do this?
  2. If she goes ahead and goes through with her father’s wishes and ends up doing it in a church, should I as the child godfather attend?
 
Roman_Catholic said:
Can someone tell me if this is true. I read a news article a week or so ago that said only about 30% of practicing mormons are allowed in their temples… So then would my brother and his wife even be allowed to attend the blessing service if they went along with it? Since there are even mormons who are not allowed in the temple?
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I wonder if it is even as high as 30%. Now, I’ve been into the Salt Lake Temple for a lookaround, but obviously not permitted into the Holy of Holies, or whatever they call it.

As for the blessing of children, this isn’t done in a temple, according to my girlfriend. It would normally be done at the ward level, with a priesthood member officiating.
 
AWall said:
Our oldest son was a “child of record” and we know for a fact his name was on file in SLC as we got a phone call from member records asking confirmation on how to spell his name. When he neared the age for baptism, we had not been active for several years. The missionaries came by all the time encouraging us to have him baptized, wanting to give him discussions, etc. It bordered on harrassment until my husband put his foot down saying we would not have him baptized. I will say this, I believe that if the child of record is not baptized in due time, the record is eventually purged.

And as a missionary, my husband and companion also sought out children of record to encourage baptism.
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You see, zerinus?
Paul
 
Roman_Catholic said:
No I looked at someone else’s response about it being a membership record and I didnt read your response to them about it not making them a member of the church before I posted that. Since it went past my time I had to edit it I didnt.

Alright, I was a little confused about that.

Two more questions since I just talked to her. One for you zerinus and then one to other Catholics on here.
  1. Zerinus her dad said that he doesnt have to have it done in a mormon Church, that he can do it himself at his house and the mormon church wouldnt have to know and therefore my niece wouldnt be on any records and then also she wouldnt have to worry about missionaries. Can he do this?
  2. If she goes ahead and goes through with her father’s wishes and ends up doing it in a church, should I as the child godfather attend?
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Roman,

I’m an ex-LDS Catholic.
  1. LDS priesthood holders can give blessings to anyone at any time for any reason they deem necessary.
  2. As long as it wasn’t done in the LDS Church(which would make it an official blessing) it wouldn’t bother me one bit to have my son child blessed by a Mormon or by a person of any other faith.
If it was done in an LDS Church I would absolutely not attend because you are, by your presence, making a statement that you somehow believe in the sacramental value of the blessing. In my mind a blessing in a home would be fine as long as you explain that you believe it is no different than someone praying for your child.
 
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Alright, I was a little confused about that.
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Don’t worry, so was I! I have done more research into this as a result of all your questions, and some of the information I provided was not accurate. My apologies for that. Here is a more up-to-date information. Firstly, when a child of record is blessed, apparently a membership record of some kind is prepared for the child, although I am not clear yet exactly what purpose that serves, because nobody can properly become a member of the Church without being baptized, which cannot happen until they are eight years of age. Maybe a membership record is prepared in anticipation of his joining the Church when he/she turns eight. I have to make further inquires abut that to find out more about it, which I cannot do right now. Secondly, it is expected that when a child of record turns eight, he/she is to be visited by his local church to encourage him/her to join the Church. This is something that ought to be explained to the parents of the child (if they are not members of the Church) before the child is blessed. So my apologies again for giving incorrect information.
Two more questions since I just talked to her. One for you zerinus and then one to other Catholics on here.
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  1. Zerinus her dad said that he doesnt have to have it done in a mormon Church, that he can do it himself at his house and the mormon church wouldnt have to know and therefore my niece wouldnt be on any records and then also she wouldnt have to worry about missionaries. Can he do this?
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No, it cannot be done that way. It can be done in the home; but it must be done under the supervision of the bishop, and the persons performing it must be judged by him to be worthy of the task, and the proper procedure for keeping a record of the event etc must be observed, otherwise the sacramental nature of the blessing is not preserved. Let me explain that anybody having the priesthood in our church can give an ordinary priesthood blessing to anyone else who has the faith to request it, and no records need necessarily be kept of that. That equally applies to a child at the request of its parents. But that is not the same thing as the sacrament of blessing and naming of children, which is what we are now talking aobut.
  1. If she goes ahead and goes through with her father’s wishes and ends up doing it in a church, should I as the child godfather attend?
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From an LDS point of view, you certainly can, and you would be very much encouraged to do so.

zerinus
 
zerinus said:
Don’t worry, so was I! I have done more research into this as a result of all your questions, and some of the information I provided was not accurate. My apologies for that. Here is a more up-to-date information. Firstly, when a child of record is blessed, apparently a membership record of some kind is prepared for the child, although I am not clear yet exactly what purpose that serves, because nobody can properly become a member of the Church without being baptized, which cannot happen until they are eight years of age. Maybe a membership record is prepared in anticipation of his joining the Church when he/she turns eight. I have to make further inquires abut that to find out more about it, which I cannot do right now. Secondly, it is expected that when a child of record turns eight, he/she is to be visited by his local church to encourage him/her to join the Church. This is something that ought to be explained to the parents of the child (if they are not members of the Church) before the child is blessed. So my apologies again for giving incorrect information.
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thank you Z…glad to see that I was right 🙂
 
zerinus said:
Don’t worry, so was I! I have done more research into this as a result of all your questions, and some of the information I provided was not accurate. My apologies for that. Here is a more up-to-date information. Firstly, when a child of record is blessed, apparently a membership record of some kind is prepared for the child, although I am not clear yet exactly what purpose that serves, because nobody can properly become a member of the Church without being baptized, which cannot happen until they are eight years of age. Maybe a membership record is prepared in anticipation of his joining the Church when he/she turns eight. I have to make further inquires abut that to find out more about it, which I cannot do right now. Secondly, it is expected that when a child of record turns eight, he/she is to be visited by his local church to encourage him/her to join the Church. This is something that ought to be explained to the parents of the child (if they are not members of the Church) before the child is blessed. So my apologies again for giving incorrect information.

No, it cannot be done that way. It can be done in the home; but it must be done under the supervision of the bishop, and the persons performing it must be judged by him to be worthy of the task, and the proper procedure for keeping a record of the event etc must be observed, otherwise the sacramental nature of the blessing is not preserved. Let me explain that anybody having the priesthood in our church can give an ordinary priesthood blessing to anyone else who has the faith to request it, and no records need necessarily be kept of that. That equally applies to a child at the request of its parents. But that is not the same thing as the sacrament of blessing and naming of children, which is what we are now talking aobut.

From an LDS point of view, you certainly can, and you would be very much encouraged to do so.

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It sounds to me like he just wants to give the baby a blessing in general. Not an official blessing. There would be no problem with that.

As the Catholic godparent it would absolutely be wrong to attend the child’s official blessing in an LDS Church.
 
zerinus said:
This information is not correct. “Membership records” are not issued for children of record. A membership record can only be issued to someone who is baptized into the Church according to the proper procedure. A child of record is not a member of the Church, and cannot have a membership record.

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this is not accurate. I question whether or not amgid has ever been in a position to even know. I served in bishoprics and I SAW the membership records of people who had been blessed but not baptized and sat in councils where we discussed “activating” these “members”.
 
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