Blind faith and search for the truth

[SteveVH]

I just answer in the previous post.

Well. I’m pretty slow at times. I can’t seem to find where you listed the dogmas and doctrines of the Catholic Church which are in contradiction to the faith of the Apostles. Would you please either humor me by listing these or refer me to the specific post in which you did list them?

Thanks.

If the individual were committing atrocity why the RCC did not intervene? How can you be so naive?

Well, the Inquisition was carried out over a period of six centuries in various forms. Which would you like to discuss? The great majority of atrocities were carried out under the Spanish inquisition which was taken over by the state and no longer in control of the Church.

Also this question is answered in previous post.

Again, where?

 

[rinnie]

No, he can’t.
From perfection you got perfection.
Hate is the opposite of love and God is 100% love.
There is no space for hate.
Yours is a dogma (false truth).

Good.
Slowly, slowly you are getting somewhere.

Wrong.
Buddha was practicing intuitional science or tantric yoga meditation.
In this practice there is no space for atheism as you are God.

People who believe in hell, in a single physical life, in a God that can hate, in a Jesus as the only one send by God then they surely believe in blind faith.

The knowledge is within so if you search in the right place you will find the truth.
The seed that God spread around is within.
His thoughts leave his mind one day and go back to his mind later on.
When you realize this truth then you realize who you really are and the separation disappear.

If God cannot hate why does the bible say hates liars? He hates sin, and he hates evil.

How do you explain that?

 

[ricchetto]

If God cannot hate why does the bible say hates liars? He hates sin, and he hates evil.

How do you explain that?

Easily explained.
The bible was not written by God.

 

[ricchetto]

Well. I’m pretty slow at times. I can’t seem to find where you listed the dogmas and doctrines of the Catholic Church which are in contradiction to the faith of the Apostles. Would you please either humor me by listing these or refer me to the specific post in which you did list them? Thanks.

Again you are stuck in blind faith into believing things written 2000 years ago and rewritten countless times.
Now i give you a small example (fictional story) how things can go wrong and changed 100%.

The other day i met Judy my work colleague in the street so i had a small chat.
Well well who come along?
Mary an other work colleague.
She say hello to us and then she carry on.
The next day when i go back to the office people tend to look at me with a strange false smile.
Judy also confirm that she experience strange smiling.
What happened?
In reality nothing happened between me and Judy but something else happened when Mary told our colleagues that something going on between Judy and me.

This is a fictional story but in the real life these things happen all the time and the real truth get changed all the time.
Now if this can happen in one day how can you say that can not happen after 2000 years?
Of course it will happen and because the time is longer then also the changes will be greater.

Well, the Inquisition was carried out over a period of six centuries in various forms. Which would you like to discuss? The great majority of atrocities were carried out under the Spanish inquisition which was taken over by the state and no longer in control of the Church.

If that is the case which i doubt very much at least the RCC could have excommunicate those who comitted these atrocities.
But no nothing at all so this tell me that the RCC agree with these crimes.

 

[HardRockGTR]

If God cannot hate why does the bible say hates liars? He hates sin, and he hates evil.

How do you explain that?

The bible is all false dogma, obviously

If that is the case which i doubt very much at least the RCC could have excommunicate those who comitted these atrocities.
But no nothing at all so this tell me that the RCC agree with these crimes.

You seem to think excommunication is something “the Church decides”, when it’s absolutely the opposite. Someone excommunicates himself by committing certain sins.

Because it match all the rest.
What is written in the Aquarian Gospel match what Shiva, Krisna, Buddha were saying.

And automatically, that makes it correct.

This guy’s logic and reason and lack of dogma is impeccable.

 

[HardRockGTR]

You are making a tremendous confusion.
I didn’t say Hinduism, Buddhism.
I instead said…Shiva, Krisna, Buddha…
You find difficult to see the difference?
No wonder!!!
You see what these people were saying is not what Hinduism, Buddhism are saying and of course the same apply to Jesus versus Christianity.
These people were engaged and teaching spirituality while religions are teaching dogmas.
The difference is that while spirituality is the search within religion is the search outside or external.
The church is within and the effort is internal.

This makes absolutely no sense and is unfounded on any sources what so ever.

An old saying…ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME.
In the beginning the road is a bit different but as soon as you reach the destination then everything is the same.
A drop of water follow a different path but when end up in the ocean then it become the ocean as all the other drops.

And of course, because a saying claims something, automatically it is true.

Sounds dogmatic to me.

The logic is that because God is 100% love he can not have any space for hate so none will end up in hell.
The logic is that there is physical reincarnation as one life time is not enough to sort out all the problem and reach human emancipation. This has also being reiterate by Shiva, Buddha, Jesus and many other.
The logic is that God never let people live 900 years and then he change his mind and let them live only 90 years or so.
The logic is that Jesus missing years are missing for a sinister reason but nothing is really missing if you want to know.
And so on…

Reincarnation until enlightenment does make more sense to me, but nonetheless your argument is without reason and completely blind and dogmatic.

Some manuscripts related to Jesus life were found both in Egypt and Palestine but the RCC is not interested in it.
And these were not written and rewritten.

And you know this as fact, apparently.

You see what i mean with things rewritten by people with different agenda?
The RCC for long time has said that hell is a reality but in this age in which old dogma don’t make sense anymore more and more Christian doubt that hell exist and even the RCC stop saying that.
The time goes by and things change and then you guys say that the RCC truth never change.
Can’t you see your nonsense?

This, of course, is bull. Hell is still asserted by the Catholic Catechism, which is not subject to change. It hasn’t changed once in history.

“Oh that’s just dogma”.

No, it’s historical fact.

I feel like I shouldn’t be wasting my time arguing, but it’s too fun to see what you pull out of your behind. I’m amused by you using “dogma” as a strawman.

 

[SteveVH]

Again you are stuck in blind faith into believing things written 2000 years ago and rewritten countless times.
Now i give you a small example (fictional story) how things can go wrong and changed 100%.

The other day i met Judy my work colleague in the street so i had a small chat.
Well well who come along?
Mary an other work colleague.
She say hello to us and then she carry on.
The next day when i go back to the office people tend to look at me with a strange false smile.
Judy also confirm that she experience strange smiling.
What happened?
In reality nothing happened between me and Judy but something else happened when Mary told our colleagues that something going on between Judy and me.

This is a fictional story but in the real life these things happen all the time and the real truth get changed all the time.
Now if this can happen in one day how can you say that can not happen after 2000 years?
Of course it will happen and because the time is longer then also the changes will be greater.

So I would think it is safe to assume that you cannot document or give any evidence of Catholic doctrine that conflicts with the faith of the Apostles. Rather you make large assumptions based upon human behavior while ignoring the fact that the Church is guided and protected by the Holy Spirit and therefore not subject to human failings.

 

[Skadi]

I try to understand how the two can be compatible.
Some people here say that a Christian duty is to search for the truth and on the other hand religion is blind faith which means NO search is allow.
It just does not make any sense to me.
How can we search for the truth when we are confined inside a corral?

Blind faith is meaningless, because you didnt chose it. you were raised into it or took it out of fear.

 

[ricchetto]

The bible is all false dogma, obviously.

Not all is dogma in the bible.
Some of the things written make sense.
You also have to consider that what was true in the past may not be valid and relevant anymore.
Look at the crimes.
They always were committed but in smaller scale like stealing, exploiting, killing and so on.
Today beside these crimes there are new one like cheat on large scale, speculation, price fixing, monopolies, deforestation, pollution and so on so also the 10 commandments are less relevant.

You seem to think excommunication is something “the Church decides”, when it’s absolutely the opposite. Someone excommunicates himself by committing certain sins.

Instead of answering the question you come up with a different argument avoiding in this way to face the music.
WHY THE RCC KEPT QUITE WHEN THESE ATROCITIES WERE COMMITTED?

 

[ricchetto]

So I would think it is safe to assume that you cannot document or give any evidence of Catholic doctrine that conflicts with the faith of the Apostles. Rather you make large assumptions based upon human behavior while ignoring the fact that the Church is guided and protected by the Holy Spirit and therefore not subject to human failings.

I think that you got very big expectations mate.
Who told you that you carry God policy and God is happy about it?
What about yesterday crimes like burning innocent people at the stakes and today priest pedophilia just to cite few?
Blind faith once again!