Blood atonement in Mormonism?

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Now it is my understanding that the mainstream LDS Church no longer accepts this practice (good!), but why was it there in the first place? Could I get some background? How can there be anything so bad that the blood Jesus shed does not apply? To my Catholic ears (and I mean no offense) but how could anyone limit Jesus’s blood? I know that the now deceased LDS Apostle, Bruce R. McConkie believed it, but that it was only possible in a theocracy. I must ask though, is the IDEA still there?
 
Mormons believe some sins are unforgivable, such as murder. Brigham Young taught and practiced blood atonement. That is, a murderer had to pay for his sin with his own blood, because yes, Young taught the blood of Jesus is insufficient to save a murderer. Therefore capital punishment for a murderer required bloodshed, and then it was possible the murderer could be saved, though not guaranteed.

This is another of Young’s teachings that has fallen out of favor with the LDS Church. But you can still find individual Mormons who believe this teaching. You also will not find a teaching from the Mormon Church today, that decries capital punishment. And they still teach that some sins are unforgivable. Mostly they mean murder but under Young, a man or woman who had been through their temple marriage rite, and later committed adultery, was under the condemnation of blood atonement.

Of course Young didn’t see his own polygamy as adultery.
 
Mormons believe some sins are unforgivable, such as murder. Brigham Young taught and practiced blood atonement. That is, a murderer had to pay for his sin with his own blood, because yes, Young taught the blood of Jesus is insufficient to save a murderer. Therefore capital punishment for a murderer required bloodshed, and then it was possible the murderer could be saved, though not guaranteed.

This is another of Young’s teachings that has fallen out of favor with the LDS Church. But you can still find individual Mormons who believe this teaching. You also will not find a teaching from the Mormon Church today, that decries capital punishment. And they still teach that some sins are unforgivable. Mostly they mean murder but under Young, a man or woman who had been through their temple marriage rite, and later committed adultery, was under the condemnation of blood atonement.

Of course Young didn’t see his own polygamy as adultery.
Do they believe that those sins are sins against the Holy Ghost? (Mark 3:28-30)
 
It was believed into the era of statehood, therefore Utah still practices execution by shooting (and at one time, death by beheading was also on the books, though never carried out).

I doubt anything was formally changed in the teachings of the religion.

ICXC NIKA
 
Mormons did at one time believe and practiced this bit of their religion. During the reign of B Young the Mormons slew an entire train of immagrants in western Utah.

This is called the Mountain Meadows Massacre. This is a part of Mormon history that is understandably swept under the rug.
 
From the Encyclopedia of Mormonism: eom.byu.edu/index.php/Blood_Atonement
Several early Church leaders, most notably Brigham Young, taught that in a complete theocracy the Lord could require the voluntary shedding of a murderer’s blood-presumably by capital punishment-as part of the process of Atonement for such grievous sin. This was referred to as “blood Atonement.” Since such a theocracy has not been operative in modern times, the practical effect of the idea was its use as a rhetorical device to heighten the awareness of Latter-day Saints of the seriousness of murder and other major sins. This view is not a doctrine of the Church and has never been practiced by the Church at any time.
I hope this helps…
 
From the Encyclopedia of Mormonism: eom.byu.edu/index.php/Blood_Atonement
Several early Church leaders, most notably Brigham Young, taught that in a complete theocracy the Lord could require the voluntary shedding of a murderer’s blood-presumably by capital punishment-as part of the process of Atonement for such grievous sin. This was referred to as “blood Atonement.” Since such a theocracy has not been operative in modern times, the practical effect of the idea was its use as a rhetorical device to heighten the awareness of Latter-day Saints of the seriousness of murder and other major sins. This view is not a doctrine of the Church and has never been practiced by the Church at any time.
That would still mean that Christ’s sacrifice was insufficient in some circumstances.
 
Well, those links present a whitewashed “history”. To begin with, the Mormons in Cedar City viewed blood atonement as a literal practice, not a theory. Before the Mountain Meadows Massacre, there was an instance where it was practiced, as testified to by John D. Lee at his confession for the Mountain Meadows Massacre:

"In his confession, Lee offered a chilling account of one instance of blood atonement in early Utah:

"Rasmos Anderson was a Danish man who came to Utah… He had married a widow lady somewhat older than himself… At one of the meetings during the reformation Anderson and his step-daughter confessed that they had committed adultery… they were rebaptized and received into full membership. They were then placed under covenant that if they again committed adultery, Anderson should suffer death. Soon after this a charge was laid against Anderson before the Council, accusing him of adultery with his step-daughter. This Council was composed of Klingensmith and his two counselors; it was the Bishop’s Council. Without giving Anderson any chance to defend himself or make a statement, the Council voted that Anderson must die for violating his covenants. Klingensmith went to Anderson and notified him that the orders were that he must die by having his throat cut, so that the running of his blood would atone for his sins. Anderson, being a firm believer in the doctrines and teachings of the Mormon Church, made no objections… His wife was ordered to prepare a suit of clean clothing, in which to have her husband buried… she being directed to tell those who should inquire after her husband that he had gone to California.

"Klingensmith, James Haslem, Daniel McFarland and John M. Higbee dug a grave in the field near Cedar City, and that night, about 12 o’clock, went to Anderson’s house and ordered him to make ready to obey Council. Anderson got up… and without a word of remonstrance accompanied those that he believed were carrying out the will of the “Almighty God.” They went to the place where the grave was prepared; Anderson knelt upon the side of the grave and prayed. Klingensmith and his company then cut Anderson’s throat from ear to ear and held him so that his blood ran into the grave…

‘As soon as he was dead they dressed him in his clean clothes, threw him into the grave and buried him. They then carried his bloody clothing back to his family, and gave them to his wife to wash… She obeyed their orders… Anderson was killed just before the Mountain Meadows massacre. The killing of Anderson was then considered a religious duty and a just act. It was justified by all the people, for they were bound by the same covenants, and the least word of objection to thus treating the man who had broken his covenant would have brought the same fate upon the person who was so foolish as to raise his voce against any act committed by order of the Church authorities."’ law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mountainmeadows/atonement.html

Then came the wagon train, from Arkansas, passing through Cedar City. The local Bishop’s Council already demonstrating its belief in blood atonement. There was a strong sense among Young’s followers that those who murdered Smith should atone for the blood of that man. It was rumored that there were men in the Arkansas party who had participated in the mob that murdered Joseph Smith, and in the killing of Parley P. Pratt. The Council chose to act, and under the guise of Native Anericans and a false white flag of truce, murdered the entire party except the youngest children who they kidnapped, intending to raise as their own.

Blood atonement was most certainly a major factor in the Mountain Meadows Massacre and is swept under the rug.
 
Well, those links present a whitewashed “history”. To begin with, the Mormons in Cedar City viewed blood atonement as a literal practice, not a theory. Before the Mountain Meadows Massacre, there was an instance where it was practiced, as testified to by John D. Lee at his confession for the Mountain Meadows Massacre:

"In his confession, Lee offered a chilling account of one instance of blood atonement in early Utah:

"Rasmos Anderson was a Danish man who came to Utah… He had married a widow lady somewhat older than himself… At one of the meetings during the reformation Anderson and his step-daughter confessed that they had committed adultery… they were rebaptized and received into full membership. They were then placed under covenant that if they again committed adultery, Anderson should suffer death. Soon after this a charge was laid against Anderson before the Council, accusing him of adultery with his step-daughter. This Council was composed of Klingensmith and his two counselors; it was the Bishop’s Council. Without giving Anderson any chance to defend himself or make a statement, the Council voted that Anderson must die for violating his covenants. Klingensmith went to Anderson and notified him that the orders were that he must die by having his throat cut, so that the running of his blood would atone for his sins. Anderson, being a firm believer in the doctrines and teachings of the Mormon Church, made no objections… His wife was ordered to prepare a suit of clean clothing, in which to have her husband buried… she being directed to tell those who should inquire after her husband that he had gone to California.

"Klingensmith, James Haslem, Daniel McFarland and John M. Higbee dug a grave in the field near Cedar City, and that night, about 12 o’clock, went to Anderson’s house and ordered him to make ready to obey Council. Anderson got up… and without a word of remonstrance accompanied those that he believed were carrying out the will of the “Almighty God.” They went to the place where the grave was prepared; Anderson knelt upon the side of the grave and prayed. Klingensmith and his company then cut Anderson’s throat from ear to ear and held him so that his blood ran into the grave…

‘As soon as he was dead they dressed him in his clean clothes, threw him into the grave and buried him. They then carried his bloody clothing back to his family, and gave them to his wife to wash… She obeyed their orders… Anderson was killed just before the Mountain Meadows massacre. The killing of Anderson was then considered a religious duty and a just act. It was justified by all the people, for they were bound by the same covenants, and the least word of objection to thus treating the man who had broken his covenant would have brought the same fate upon the person who was so foolish as to raise his voce against any act committed by order of the Church authorities."’ law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mountainmeadows/atonement.html

Then came the wagon train, from Arkansas, passing through Cedar City. The local Bishop’s Council already demonstrating its belief in blood atonement. There was a strong sense among Young’s followers that those who murdered Smith should atone for the blood of that man. It was rumored that there were men in the Arkansas party who had participated in the mob that murdered Joseph Smith, and in the killing of Parley P. Pratt. The Council chose to act, and under the guise of Native Anericans and a false white flag of truce, murdered the entire party except the youngest children who they kidnapped, intending to raise as their own.

Blood atonement was most certainly a major factor in the Mountain Meadows Massacre and is swept under the rug.
And John D Lee was also a victim of blood atonement at his execution.
 
Y’all I’m sorry I’m still trying to wrap my head around the belief that Jesus’s blood can’t forgive certain sins. To me the way it is phrased, sounds like blasphemy
 
Oh my.

Never have read that before. I never knew.

Lord have mercy.
Well, those links present a whitewashed “history”. To begin with, the Mormons in Cedar City viewed blood atonement as a literal practice, not a theory. Before the Mountain Meadows Massacre, there was an instance where it was practiced, as testified to by John D. Lee at his confession for the Mountain Meadows Massacre:

"In his confession, Lee offered a chilling account of one instance of blood atonement in early Utah:

"Rasmos Anderson was a Danish man who came to Utah… He had married a widow lady somewhat older than himself… At one of the meetings during the reformation Anderson and his step-daughter confessed that they had committed adultery… they were rebaptized and received into full membership. They were then placed under covenant that if they again committed adultery, Anderson should suffer death. Soon after this a charge was laid against Anderson before the Council, accusing him of adultery with his step-daughter. This Council was composed of Klingensmith and his two counselors; it was the Bishop’s Council. Without giving Anderson any chance to defend himself or make a statement, the Council voted that Anderson must die for violating his covenants. Klingensmith went to Anderson and notified him that the orders were that he must die by having his throat cut, so that the running of his blood would atone for his sins. Anderson, being a firm believer in the doctrines and teachings of the Mormon Church, made no objections… His wife was ordered to prepare a suit of clean clothing, in which to have her husband buried… she being directed to tell those who should inquire after her husband that he had gone to California.

"Klingensmith, James Haslem, Daniel McFarland and John M. Higbee dug a grave in the field near Cedar City, and that night, about 12 o’clock, went to Anderson’s house and ordered him to make ready to obey Council. Anderson got up… and without a word of remonstrance accompanied those that he believed were carrying out the will of the “Almighty God.” They went to the place where the grave was prepared; Anderson knelt upon the side of the grave and prayed. Klingensmith and his company then cut Anderson’s throat from ear to ear and held him so that his blood ran into the grave…

‘As soon as he was dead they dressed him in his clean clothes, threw him into the grave and buried him. They then carried his bloody clothing back to his family, and gave them to his wife to wash… She obeyed their orders… Anderson was killed just before the Mountain Meadows massacre. The killing of Anderson was then considered a religious duty and a just act. It was justified by all the people, for they were bound by the same covenants, and the least word of objection to thus treating the man who had broken his covenant would have brought the same fate upon the person who was so foolish as to raise his voce against any act committed by order of the Church authorities."’ law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mountainmeadows/atonement.html

Then came the wagon train, from Arkansas, passing through Cedar City. The local Bishop’s Council already demonstrating its belief in blood atonement. There was a strong sense among Young’s followers that those who murdered Smith should atone for the blood of that man. It was rumored that there were men in the Arkansas party who had participated in the mob that murdered Joseph Smith, and in the killing of Parley P. Pratt. The Council chose to act, and under the guise of Native Anericans and a false white flag of truce, murdered the entire party except the youngest children who they kidnapped, intending to raise as their own.

Blood atonement was most certainly a major factor in the Mountain Meadows Massacre and is swept under the rug.
 
I would like to just say to the Mormons that comment on these and read these that I am not trying to be offensive in any way. I have a lot of respect for a lot of Mormons like the ones that actually gave my family money after my dad died. You have to understand though although I didn’t grow up necessarily religious I do know a good bit about history and I do know a good bit about why Jesus died for us. Again I’m not trying to hurt anyone’s feelings or insult anyone or anything like that but it really does sound like blasphemy to limit the ability of the blood of Christ. Hopefully we can have sincere ialogue and mutual understanding.
 
I would like to just say to the Mormons that comment on these and read these that I am not trying to be offensive in any way. I have a lot of respect for a lot of Mormons like the ones that actually gave my family money after my dad died. You have to understand though although I didn’t grow up necessarily religious I do know a good bit about history and I do know a good bit about why Jesus died for us. Again I’m not trying to hurt anyone’s feelings or insult anyone or anything like that but it really does sound like blasphemy to limit the ability of the blood of Christ. Hopefully we can have sincere ialogue and mutual understanding.
Adam every religion has it dark and shameful pasts.

Catholic included. I shudder at the Rome Ghetto.
 
Adam every religion has it dark and shameful pasts.

Catholic included. I shudder at the Rome Ghetto.
This is absolutely true and I feel like defending our faith does not necessarily mean forgetting what our leaders have done wrong or what Catholics have done wrong. Have there been bad popes? Certainly in fact a few may have been heretical though they never taught them as dogma. Have there been great acts of violence committed by Catholics? Yep. Actually this is kind of wht I believe the divine origin of the Church because no Human Institution could last as long. Especially with all the sins and Scandals of those that belong to the Church
 
Oh my.

Never have read that before. I never knew.

Lord have mercy.
Marie, I should add a disclaimer to every quote I post that comes from a Mormon “witness”…“What is testified to may or may not have actually happened.” (In other words, I view many Mormon historical figures, and most modern Mormon leaders, as just making stuff up.)
 
Marie, I should add a disclaimer to every quote I post that comes from a Mormon “witness”…“What is testified to may or may not have actually happened.” (In other words, I view many Mormon historical figures, and most modern Mormon leaders, as just making stuff up.)
Thats for that, Rebecca.
 
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