Blood of Christ in Alternative Vessel

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Actually, on the first cleansing, the deacon rinses everything with water and consumes the water. On the second cleansing, the chalices and ciboria are rinsed in a sink that usually feeds into the ground. The third cleansing involves soap.
 
paperwight said:
When I first read your suggestion, Gorgias, I thought it was a good idea.
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Well, I’m not sure it’s a good idea; more like a thought experiment…
Surely the first rinsing with water has to be drunk. to avoid any Precious Blood going down the sink?
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No, on two accounts. First of all, it would never go “down the sink” (although the sacrarium would be OK, but in this case I’m thinking a large enough quantity of water that you wouldn’t want to pour it down the sacrarium).

Second, picture the few drops left in the bottom of a glass. (OK… many glasses.) Then picture the glasses in a large container (a pot, or whatever), and the pot filled with water. There would be no discernible accidents of wine in that pot, and therefore, the Eucharist would no longer be present. So, in a very literal way, there’s no “Precious Blood” going anywhere. Out of respect to the sacrament that had been present, though, I’d think that you’d want to pour the water directly to ground.

Again, this isn’t a discussion of purification, per se.
 
I am trying to picture the priest or deacon purifying 100 tiny chalices during Mass. And as a sacristan I would resign from duty immediately if the priest suggested using the individual chalices (which are not allowed anyways).
 
HeDa said:
I am trying to picture the priest or deacon purifying 100 tiny chalices during Mass.
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Yeah. Purifying, as such, would be near impossible.
And as a sacristan I would resign from duty immediately if the priest suggested using the individual chalices (which are not allowed anyways).
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Hmm… I don’t remember reading anywhere that “individual chalices are not allowed”… 🤔
 
jvickers said:
They are not prohibited from what I can see, but pouring the Precious Blood from one container and using glass containers is prohibited according to Redemptionis Sacramentum .
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Right. But, giving the bishop the benefit of the doubt, perhaps he gave permission for a special occasion. (And, to tell the truth, if they were going to use a bunch of ‘small chalices’, then there’s no reason to have poured already consecrated Precious Blood from a single container to all the small chalices – better to have poured into the small chalices before consecration.)
 
Gorgias said:
Hmm… I don’t remember reading anywhere that “individual chalices are not allowed”… 🤔
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How about “individual chalices” is a solution in search of a problem.

To purchase noble vessels, lined with gold or silver, to attempt to distribute them to the faithful, people complain about Mass taking too long just imagine that the Priest/Deacon/EMHC has to go to the Altar and retrieve each chalice one by one for 400 communicants. How large wound the Altar have to be? The danger of bumping one of them and a domino effect of goblets falling over on the Altar. Boggles the mind how someone could think this is a good idea.

When there is an epidemic or it is flu season, suspend the Chalice for the faithful. Problem solved.
 
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There is “sign value” to be considered; that’s why we have common cups instead of individual ones.
I Corinthians 10:17
Galatians 3:28
 
Gorgias said:
You mean like how we have a ‘common loaf’ instead of individual wafers? 🤔 😉
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Some parishes do. It’s also why there’s a fraction rite where the priest breaks his host before we receive ours. True, the individual hosts take away from the sign value, but that is one of the reasons for the common cup… I just wish I could remember where I read that before.
 
Yes, Latin parishes. Few and far between, I admit, but there are some out there.

The concomitance brings the elements together, but that’s not the only reason for the fraction rite. As with most things within our faith (and ogres), it’s like an onion - multiple layers.
 
When the Precious Blood is brought to the sick by a priest, it is common to use a sort of sacred straw or waterdropper, so that the sick person does not have to touch the chalice in any way, or have trouble swallowing. I am trying to think of the word for this…

Fistula seems to be the word. It is a little gold water dropper, shaped like a straw. Father caps the fistula straw with his finger and then puts the fistula’s open end into the chalice so it sucks up the Blood; and then he drops the Blood onto the communicant’s tongue, with no physical contact between the tongue and the fistula or chalice. (Or his finger and the Blood.)

There are also intinction spoons. Self-intinction is forbidden for non-priests, so Father would have to feed her.
 
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OmnesBonum said:
No. The wine used for consecration may be any type or color of wine, as long as it is natural grape wine/juice.
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not juice, but “must”, unfermented wine that would ferment.

In particular, unfermented is permitted for alcoholic priests.
 
Out of curiosity, what type of doctor are you? I ask because both of my wife’s hematologists, one from Shands Medical Research facility in Gainsville, FL, recommended she wear masks in public in order to minimize the chance of infection from others. Certainly, it is not 100% effective, but it’s also not 100% effective in preventing others from catching something you might have.
 
She does. I also wear masks when I go to the store or hospital to pick up her medication - especially the hospital. They don’t bother me as much as they do her.

Thanks for responding.
 
Well, the Ruthenian Byzantine parish in Portland has a common loaf. It also happens to be leavened.

Likewise, Our Lady of Guadalupe Trappist Abbey either prepares their own main host or has it prepared; it is about 1/2" thick and scored, and distributed mostly to the monks. As they are not a parish, they generally do not have a large number of people attending Mass (with the exception of Christmas Eve) and do not provide several loaves for the Mass; just the one. The rest are small hosts similar to what I find in most parishes.
 
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