Blood of Christ

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The gift of faith can protect us from many types of spiritual harm. It is not guaranteed to protect us from physical harm.
That is not what I read in the Bible. If man has faith, anything can happen. Move mountains, Peter walked on water because he had faith in Jesus. And he started sinking as soon as his faith was shaken, when he believed the storm was more powerful than Christ.

Us telling this person who believes nothing bad will happen to him that there is something bad that will happen to him will shake his faith.
Quite simply, because the accidents are unchanged, and ability (vel non) to do harm is one of the accidents of drink.
Not if the person’s faith is in the right place.
 
Oh, and by the way, for those that are more concerned about physical properties than spiritual realities, in the Byzantine Rite we do add more water to the Precious Blood of Christ than the typical RC Mass. Aside from the little amount of water that is added to the wine during the preparation, boiling water is added to the Precious Blood just before Communion. Read more here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeon_(liturgy
 
As an alcoholic, you have to decide for yourself if you are ready to drink the blood of Christ. If you are thinking about the alcohol or the taste of the wine in an impure manner then I would suggest that you stick with receiving the host.

I am a former drug addict (that includes alcohol) and I am no longer an addict or a drunk. Don’t believe people when they tell you in twelve step programs that once you are a drunk you are always a drunk. Addiction is something that you can overcome, I am proof to myself of that. I have no desire to drink or drug and cannot be aroused by the opportunity to do so. You have to make a choice, you either drink or you don’t. If you don’t then your over it and no longer an alcoholic. I choose to drink from the cup, without thinking about my former addiction, in order to receive the blood of Christ. That is the only alcohol that touches my lips. I abstain from alcohol because in all honesty it tastes like junk and its only purpose is not to quench thirst but to get trashed. If alcohol actually tastes good to you then you know you have a problem with it because the truth is alcohol tastes like junk.
Yes, I agree with that approach more than the standard AA approach. Thanks for the post. God Bless!
 
That is not what I read in the Bible. If man has faith, anything can happen. Move mountains, Peter walked on water because he had faith in Jesus. And he started sinking as soon as his faith was shaken, when he believed the storm was more powerful than Christ.

Us telling this person who believes nothing bad will happen to him that there is something bad that will happen to him will shake his faith.

Not if the person’s faith is in the right place.
I tend to agree with you. I think that a lot of Latin Catholics sometime loose view of the bigger picture of the Eucharist when they focus too much on substance vs. accidents. When you fix to much on that duality you can loose the view of the forest because of the trees. For example we accept the Eucharist as the bread of life but we seem to ignore that our life is spiritual and physical and the two cannot be separated. We forget the saints that lived for years upon feeding only on the blessed sacrament. I wounder if anyone could survive by eating only a non consecrated small piece of bread for years.

Having said that we also must remember that when our faith is somehow weakened we could expose ourselves to the effect of the accidents.
 
Hello and happy Sunday to you all. I did receive the Blood of Christ this morning in Mass and it was a wonderful spiritual experience. I have never received it before. I talked with my priest and prayed about it and followed my heart. I feel spiritually free and light. I’ve never felt as much peace as I feel today. Thank you all for your imput and I hope God continues to bless us all. Be safe and take care to all!! -Michael
 
Hello and happy Sunday to you all. I did receive the Blood of Christ this morning in Mass and it was a wonderful spiritual experience. I have never received it before. I talked with my priest and prayed about it and followed my heart. I feel spiritually free and light. I’ve never felt as much peace as I feel today. Thank you all for your imput and I hope God continues to bless us all. Be safe and take care to all!! -Michael
Fantastic! Christ will not fail those who have faith. Pray that your faith may always be strong.
 
Hello and happy Sunday to you all. I did receive the Blood of Christ this morning in Mass and it was a wonderful spiritual experience. I have never received it before. I talked with my priest and prayed about it and followed my heart. I feel spiritually free and light. I’ve never felt as much peace as I feel today. Thank you all for your imput and I hope God continues to bless us all. Be safe and take care to all!! -Michael
I am happy for you. I just want you to remember a few things:

1- Receiving the host is receiving complete communion (body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ)
2- Receiving from the chalice does not add anything extra that otherwise would be missing
3- Alcoholic priests are allowed to use mustum instead of wine because of the accidents of alcohol
4- Faith and the sacraments are for your well being
5- Rationalization something that you do not have in order to receive is not based on faith but is based on feelings/wants. Rationalization could be extremely dangerous to your faith and your body.
6- Sometime I have the bad habit of looking down on people that do not receive from the chalice because of fear of germs. However, in the case of alcoholics I am jumping n the other side and I think that the individual should not make the decision alone but he/she should get the counsel of a spiritual director before getting into dangerous habits (e.g. unconsciously receiving from the chalice for the buzz and not because of faith).
7- Do not make your next decision on how you felt because at that Mass you should have felt the same way you feel when you receive the host alone. That is dangerous territory.
 
Do not make your next decision on how you felt
Why not? How else do we know what God is telling us? Logic? Logic more often leads to folly. God speaks to our hearts, our brains often are the ones that reject God.
 
Why not? How else do we know what God is telling us? Logic? Logic more often leads to folly. God speaks to our hearts, our brains often are the ones that reject God.
Feelings can come from a buzz! We are to do what is right and not what feels good. Morality comes from doing the right thing, with the right intention, under the proper circumstances. That is why I suggest to work with a spiritual director. Alcohol when is an addiction is a nasty beast that cannot be underestimated. This could very similar to a priest telling a person to abstain from too frequent confession because it feeds on scrupulosity. Sometimes our capability of judging is impaired and that is when we need external help, that is why we go to a priest to direct us toward healthy behaviors. I have seen a lot people doing wrong because it feels good and they are sure that God understands them.
 
Feelings can come from a buzz! We are to do what is right and not what feels good. Morality comes from doing the right thing, with the right intention, under the proper circumstances. That is why I suggest to work with a spiritual director. Alcohol when is an addiction is a nasty beast that cannot be underestimated. This could very similar to a priest telling a person to abstain from too frequent confession because it feeds on scrupulosity. Sometimes our capability of judging is impaired and that is when we need external help, that is why we go to a priest to direct us toward healthy behaviors. I have seen a lot people doing wrong because it feels good and they are sure that God understands them.
The OP discussed this with his pastor, they came to a decision, and it seems to be working for him.

I don’t see how our opinions are either needed or helpful at this point.
 
The OP discussed this with his pastor, they came to a decision, and it seems to be working for him.

I don’t see how our opinions are either needed or helpful at this point.
And your statements are? Personal attacks are?

First you should understand the difference between talking to a priest and working with a spiritual director. Second you should value, not mine, but others extensive experience with alcoholics.
 
Feelings can come from a buzz! We are to do what is right and not what feels good. Morality comes from doing the right thing, with the right intention, under the proper circumstances. That is why I suggest to work with a spiritual director. Alcohol when is an addiction is a nasty beast that cannot be underestimated. This could very similar to a priest telling a person to abstain from too frequent confession because it feeds on scrupulosity. Sometimes our capability of judging is impaired and that is when we need external help, that is why we go to a priest to direct us toward healthy behaviors. I have seen a lot people doing wrong because it feels good and they are sure that God understands them.
Morality comes from the love of God. If not God, how do we know what is right from wrong? Read my sig. Morality, as understood today, is tricky. Why do we do what is right? To impress God? Or do we do as God does because God is good? Loving God is all we need to do, everything else we do will be right and good because we let the love of God in our hearts.
 
And your statements are? Personal attacks are?

First you should understand the difference between talking to a priest and working with a spiritual director. Second you should value, not mine, but others extensive experience with alcoholics.
Well, aren’t we sensitive today? :rolleyes:

My reply contained no personal attacks. Relax. Take a deep breath. Don’t get in a tizzy.

I’m just saying that the OP wisely worked out his dilemma with his pastor in real life. If we honestly think we random Internet people who don’t even know him or his level of recovery can contribute something more to his decision - which, judging from his reply, in no way even came close to triggering any kind of relapse - then we’re fooling ourselves. I’m not trying to muzzle further discussion.
 
Well, aren’t we sensitive today? :rolleyes:

My reply contained no personal attacks. Relax. Take a deep breath. Don’t get in a tizzy.

I’m just saying that the OP wisely worked out his dilemma with his pastor in real life. If we honestly think we random Internet people who don’t even know him or his level of recovery can contribute something more to his decision - which, judging from his reply, in no way even came close to triggering any kind of relapse - then we’re fooling ourselves. I’m not trying to muzzle further discussion.
No reason for rolling eyes and being condescending, you are attacking my opinions and not their merit thus it is a personal attack, and sarcasm is indulging in it.
 
Morality comes from the love of God. If not God, how do we know what is right from wrong? Read my sig. Morality, as understood today, is tricky. Why do we do what is right? To impress God? Or do we do as God does because God is good? Loving God is all we need to do, everything else we do will be right and good because we let the love of God in our hearts.
I understand what you are saying and I agree with you However, sometimes if not often, our conscience is not well formed and that is when we need external direction.
 
No reason for rolling eyes and being condescending, you are attacking my opinions and not their merit thus it is a personal attack, and sarcasm is indulging in it.
Oh, come on. Objecting to an “opinion” is by definition not a “personal” attack. One is an objection to a claim; the other an objection to the subject/person who made the claim.

All I meant to convey, truly without hostility or condescension, is this: the OP asked for advice. He got some responses. He thanked us for them and mulled them over. Then he consulted his pastor, in person. They came to a decision. He said the outcome was beautiful. What further warnings that now contradict his experience can possibly be of use to him?

I’m not saying every alcoholic should do what he did. I don’t know much about alcoholism. Only he and those who know him personally could judge where he’s at… which they did, and he made a decision, and it worked. What further exhortations or warnings can be offered to him with any kind of efficacy?
 
I am a recovering alcoholic. I recieve communion with the Host only, as has been said, the Body and Blood are entirely present in the one Specie.

I have been sober for for just shy of 25 years now. I am not about to start “tinkering” with what helped me get sober.

Of course, I am not tempted to even take the Precious Blood because I attend the EF Mass as often as possible.

Those who put down AA really are either misinformed or those who have failed to work the AA program.

There is no “magic” bullet or “cure” for alcoholism. 🙂
 
I’m saddened that we profess that the wine has become the true Blood of Christ, yet we treat it as if its another alcoholic drink.

Happy are those who have not seen yet have believed.
 
I’m saddened that we profess that the wine has become the true Blood of Christ, yet we treat it as if its another alcoholic drink…
And I am saddened that people would promote magical, superstitious, or talismanic thinking about the Holy Eucharist. 🤷
 
I’m saddened that we profess that the wine has become the true Blood of Christ, yet we treat it as if its another alcoholic drink.

Happy are those who have not seen yet have believed.
I think that the problem is not with the sacrament but it is with our weakness in our behaviors and in our faith. Do you remember when Peter got out of the boat and started to walk on the water toward Jesus? I also think that sometime the difference between trusting in God and testing God could be a fine line.
 
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