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No, “Polka Masses” are not “traditional” in the villages and hamlets of central and eastern Europe, where I have traveled extensively, including far off the beaten tourist track.
I’ve been to polka Masses in my family village in Slovakia. I’ve been to tamburitza Masses in my family village in Croatia.

My friend often celebrates polka Mass in the churches he serves outside of Michalovce in Slovakia.

Guess you don’t travel far enough into the countryside…:eek:
 
Were there so-called “Polka Masses” before say, oh we’ll be generous here, 1965-1970?

If no, then they’re hardly “traditional”. Or is just an aberration of the last few decades? I’d guess so.
 
Were there so-called “Polka Masses” before say, oh we’ll be generous here, 1965-1970?

If no, then they’re hardly “traditional”. Or is just an aberration of the last few decades? I’d guess so.

I would go with that.
 
Were there so-called “Polka Masses” before say, oh we’ll be generous here, 1965-1970?

If no, then they’re hardly “traditional”. Or is just an aberration of the last few decades? I’d guess so.
Well, since my grandfather was born in 1873 and played the accordian in his village church in Sobrance, I guess the answer would be YES:thumbsup:
 
Not a big believer in “Make a JOYFUL noise unto the Lord” then Enoch?
I happen to be a believer in every word of Sacred Scripture, including Psalm 66, along with every other Word of God that speaks about going before the Lord with fear, reverence, and awe. Something I will have to assume you do not believe in based on the mentality behind the response you gave to me.

I urge you not to just read one passage and try to develop an entire theology behind it. This is one of the traps the fundamentalists get themselves cough up in all the time.

If you read beyond the first passage you will notice the following:
3: Say to God, “How terrible are thy deeds! So great is thy power that thy enemies cringe before thee.
4: All the earth worships thee; they sing praises to thee, sing praises to thy name.” [Selah]
5: Come and see what God has done: he is terrible in his deeds among men.
6: He turned the sea into dry land; men passed through the river on foot. There did we rejoice in him,
7: who rules by his might for ever, whose eyes keep watch on the nations – let not the rebellious exalt themselves. [Selah]
8: Bless our God, O peoples, let the sound of his praise be heard,
9: who has kept us among the living, and has not let our feet slip.
To say that that this is license to allow secularized music in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is private interpretation run-a-muck, at best. Nice try, though.
 
Some time ago, I posted a request for traditional parishes in the Seattle area. I found Blessed Sacrament to have a very reverent mass. The homilies are very good, and I have enjoyed it.

But now…a Bluegrass Mass!

No kidding. Check out blessed-sacrament.org/

Sigh
A bluegrass Mass and BBQ In Seattle Washington?! I would expect it here in Kentucky, but there?🤷
 
Some time ago, I posted a request for traditional parishes in the Seattle area. I found Blessed Sacrament to have a very reverent mass. The homilies are very good, and I have enjoyed it.

But now…a Bluegrass Mass!

No kidding. Check out blessed-sacrament.org/

Sigh
It’s a parish tradition to have a Blue Grass Mass and hoe-down this time of year. Anyone who’s been to Blessed Sacrament knows that it’s among the most reverent and vibrant parishes in the area, if not the country. The Blue Grass Mass is just a once-a-year fun event and fundraiser that the community shares in.

Incidently our Blue Grass Mass was today, and it was splendid. People didn’t show up in overalls or any such nonsense, we just had a fiddle and banjo and guitar for Mass instead of our typical chanting/chorus. Afterwards we had a barbeque and a parish Blue Grass band played; Fr. Augustine O.P., a retired priest and Dominican Brother at our priory, even sang a few tunes including Good Night Irene. Hardly a sign of Blessed Sacrament going “down hill”. :rotfl:

Anyone who thinks the Bluegrass Mass would be remotely irreverent doesn’t know our parish. 😃

Peace and God bless!
 
It’s not a question of how “reverent” something is or isn’t.

It’s a question of music appropriate for a liturgy, and instruments appropriate for a liturgy.

And a major problem with this, especially as described, is the nomenclature. It’s the yearly “Bluegrass Mass”.

Huh? What?

Yesterday was the Feast of the Most Holy Trinity. Not “Bluegrass Mass”. The minute you start this nonsense, people begin to think the main event is the music…the Bluegrass music.

Some people love their cute (tacky) novelties.
 
It’s not a question of how “reverent” something is or isn’t.

It’s a question of music appropriate for a liturgy, and instruments appropriate for a liturgy.

And a major problem with this, especially as described, is the nomenclature. It’s the yearly “Bluegrass Mass”.

Huh? What?

Yesterday was the Feast of the Most Holy Trinity. Not “Bluegrass Mass”. The minute you start this nonsense, people begin to think the main event is the music…the Bluegrass music.

Some people love their cute (tacky) novelties.
Fortunately the reverence of an event goes beyond the kind of intstruments or music used. While some music lends itself more to reverent behavior than others, very few things are inherently “irreverent” in and of themselves. The traditional Ethiopian Liturgy (used in both Orthodox and Catholic Churches), with its drums and half-dozen deacons dancing while people clap and shout, is a perfect example of this, IMO.

In this particular case it wasn’t a “theme” Mass the way many here might think of when they hear of polka masses or clown masses. No mention was made of the music at the actual Mass, and the focus was indeed on the Holy Trinity (the homily, delivered by a visiting Dominican just two weeks ordained, was excellent and theologically deep, as per our norm). No unique decorations were used, no dancing in the aisles, ect. Simply the use of bluegrass style instruments rather than our typical chant/choral and organ. After the Mass we had a barbeque fundraiser, which is the major focus of the “bluegrass” element.

Obviously such things aren’t to the taste of everyone, which is one of the reasons it’s advertised (in addition to the fact that everyone who is familiar with the parish knows that such an event indicates our fundraiser barbeque with live music). If a violin, as opposed to the traditional organ, playing during the Eucharistic hymn is a distraction from your reverent prayer, then such a Mass is not for you. It is far too much to assume that the emphasis on the Holy Trinity or the Eucharist was lost because of it, however.

I respect the desire to protect the Liturgy and the Faith, but let’s try not to heap assumptions on to things. 🙂

Peace and God bless!
 
I had to go check out the “bluegrass Mass”, and it was what I expected. Here’s a picture of the priest, deacon, and alter servers:

 
Who cares if they use drums in Ethiopia?

Are we Ethiopians/Abyssinians/Copts?

Nope.

We’re Roman Catholics. And the so-called Bluegrass Mass is clearly designed, in this case, to advertise a Mass for the Feast of the Most Holy Trinity as…well, a “Bluegrass” Mass.

Is such a Mass envisaged in the rubrics or the liturgical documents?

Nope.

Why not a Rock Mass? Why not a Disco Mass?

You can’t have it only your way. If Bluegrass Masses are acceptable, so are Grunge Masses and Heavy Metal Masses.

See the problem?

Just stick with the liturgy as is. It’s not that hard. Sheesh.
 
Who cares if they use drums in Ethiopia?

Are we Ethiopians/Abyssinians/Copts?

Nope.

We’re Roman Catholics. And the so-called Bluegrass Mass is clearly designed, in this case, to advertise a Mass for the Feast of the Most Holy Trinity as…well, a “Bluegrass” Mass.

Is such a Mass envisaged in the rubrics or the liturgical documents?

Nope.

Why not a Rock Mass? Why not a Disco Mass?

You can’t have it only your way. If Bluegrass Masses are acceptable, so are Grunge Masses and Heavy Metal Masses.

See the problem?

Just stick with the liturgy as is. It’s not that hard. Sheesh.
Awww, be careful, you might hurt someone’s feelings…
 
Is such a Mass envisaged in the rubrics or the liturgical documents?

Nope.
Actually, yes. There were no costumes, or any other aliturgical elements. Only the use of a violin and guitar, both allowed by the rubrics, made the Mass any different from normal. 😛

As for the argument that “we’re not Ethiopians”, my point is simply that Liturgical elements are neither inherently reverent nor irreverent, so any appeal to this being irreverent, especially without any insight into the actual event, is weak at best.

Peace and God bless!
 
The pipe organ is actually the proper instrument of the Roman Rite, and as for music, Gregorian chant is due “pride of place” in the Roman Rite.

The point here isn’t the use of a specific instrument, though.

Why call it a “Bluegrass Mass?”

There’s no such thing. Doesn’t exist.

Such a title distracts. Imagine people saying, “Are you going to the Disco Mass?”

Nonsense.

Doesn’t matter if someone saw it, either. It’s inappropriate to call a Mass a “Bluegrass Mass”.

Saint Dominic would have been appalled.
 
Actually, yes. There were no costumes, or any other aliturgical elements. Only the use of a violin and guitar, both allowed by the rubrics, made the Mass any different from normal. 😛

As for the argument that “we’re not Ethiopians”, my point is simply that Liturgical elements are neither inherently reverent nor irreverent, so any appeal to this being irreverent, especially without any insight into the actual event, is weak at best.

Peace and God bless!
I’ve actually spent some time today researching what the Church has to say about this sort of thing, and I will explain my findings soon.
 
I’ve looked at Sacrosanctum Concilium, Musicam Sacram, Music in Catholic Worship, Liturgical Music Today (from the USNCCB), the GIRM, the Instructions in the Lectionary, and even a document regarding Masses for children. I talked to a seminary student at a very faithful seminary as well.

Basically, what I’ve gotten out of it is this. There are no hard and fast rules regarding music in the Liturgy for one important reason: music is a sign in the Liturgy which is meant to point to several things, and what exactly constitutes a musical sign differs from culture to culture. A piece of music that would be considered reverant in some African nation might be considered highly inappropriate for a Liturgical celebration in the United States. As a result, the Church has laid out certain principles that are to be followed, rather than straightforward prescriptions.

The most fundamental point is that the purpose of music in the Liturgy is “the glory of God and the sanctification of the faithful.” (Musicam Sacram, 4) A point which stems from this, and which is reiiterated over and over by these documents (as well as by at least 3 popes) is that music must always “serve and never dominate” (Music in Catholic Worship, 23). Finally, and I think very important for this discussion, is the definition of Sacred Music: “By sacred music is understood that which, being created for the celebration of divine worship, is endowed with holiness and goodness of form. The following come under the title of sacred music here: Gregorian chant, sacred polyphony in its various forms both ancient and modern, sacred music for the organ and other approved instruments, and sacred popular music, be it liturgical or simply religious.” (Musicam Sacram, 4).

Without getting into a bunch of quotations, the general teaching of the Church is that sacred music should be what is considered reverant, sacred, and solemn in a given culture. This may change with the culture. It is permissible, and indeed encouraged, to incorporate the local culture into the musical tradition of a given local Church, but even here there are limits. Pius X taught, for example, that sacred music must “be universal in the sense that while every nation is permitted to admit into its ecclesiastical compositions those special forms which may be said to constitute its native music, still these forms must be subordinated in such a manner to the general characteristics of sacred music…” (Inter sollicitudines)

There’s a lot more I could say, but to bring this all home to this specific case, I see a few points worth making.

First, I think that this would be far more easily justified if it were to have taken place in the midwest, where bluegrass is in fact a cultural music, or if there were a large midwestern population in Seattle. As Ghosty has pointed out, the Church makes provision for Liturgical which emphasize a particular cultural tradition. Thus, a parish in my town was not wrong to hold an “Asian Mass” featuring Asian music for the local Asian community. The one important qualifier that the Church makes is that these things should not result in a particular group celebrating only together, and so it ought to be a matter of sepcial occasion rather than a common event. Is there a large enough population of midwesterners in Seattle to warrant this? I am not from Seattle, so I don’t know.

Secondly, what exactly was done in this Mass? Was it simply the use of bluegrass instruments playing typical melodies and harmonies? That would be less likely to be problematic than playing bluegrass style music, which would seemm to be very hard to qualify as Sacred music according to the Church’s definition. Also, there are certain musical parts of the Mass which are rigidly restrcited to approved music. If any of these were not maintained, that would be very problematic.

Thirdly is the matter of the instruments themselves. One could make a rather strong case that the bajo is not permissible as an instrument for a Liturgical celebration. Musicam sacram states that “One criterion for accepting and using musical instruments is the genius and tradition of particular peoples. At the same time, however, instruments that are generally associated with and used only by worldly music are to be absolutely barred from liturgical services and religious devotions”(63). The banjo would seem to fall under this prohibition.

Overall, I feel much more strongly opposed to the idea of a Bluegrass Mass than I did when I first considered the issue last night. After reading what the Church has to say on the matter of Liturgical music, I can’t justify any of the possible variations of what a bluegrass Mass might entail, even the idea of simply using a banjo to play typical sacred music. There is a lot more that goes into my thinking than I’ve been able to present here, but this might be some food for thought.
 
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