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AnneTeresa
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I understand Christ present in Body, Blood, and Divinity in Eucharist. But can someone explain what his presence in Soul means in the Eucharist?
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ConstantineTG
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The Eucharist is the living Christ. A body without soul is a dead body.
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AnneTeresa
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So Jesus had a soul in addition to his being God (his divinity)?
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ConstantineTG
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Definitely. A body cannot be alive without the soul. Jesus, being fully human, possesses everything that a human has.
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Cristiano
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Yes He has a soul and two separate wills.
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TimothyH
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AnneTeresa
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Ok, trying to understand this… if he had a soul but his body died, where did his soul go for three days and was it put back in his body after he resurrected? And today seated in heaven, is Jesus both human and divine? I always thought he was just divine now. Are you saying Jesus is still both human and divine, not just when he was on earth?
Also, to christiano, can you explain Jesus’ two wills? I assume you mean a human and a divine will? I never heard of that before.
Also, to christiano, can you explain Jesus’ two wills? I assume you mean a human and a divine will? I never heard of that before.
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Verbum_Caro
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Anne,
Yes, both a human will and Divine will.
The Doctrine of the Incarnation teaches us that the Divine Second Person of the Trinity (the Word of God, the Son) became man by uniting a human nature to Himself. That human nature was a true human nature, and thus entailed a human body and a human soul (which further entails a human intellect and a human will).
So, in Christ we see ONE Divine Person who possess TWO natures: a Divine Nature, and a human nature (with body and soul, with intellect and will).
The Divine Nature also entails an intellect and will (though a Divine one) and therefore in Christ we have One Divine Person with a Divine Nature (i.e. with a Divine Intellect and Divine Will) and with a human nature (i.e. a human body, soul, intellect and will).
Is that any clearer? (Probably not! Perhaps we ought to look at the Catechism together).
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Yes, both a human will and Divine will.
The Doctrine of the Incarnation teaches us that the Divine Second Person of the Trinity (the Word of God, the Son) became man by uniting a human nature to Himself. That human nature was a true human nature, and thus entailed a human body and a human soul (which further entails a human intellect and a human will).
So, in Christ we see ONE Divine Person who possess TWO natures: a Divine Nature, and a human nature (with body and soul, with intellect and will).
The Divine Nature also entails an intellect and will (though a Divine one) and therefore in Christ we have One Divine Person with a Divine Nature (i.e. with a Divine Intellect and Divine Will) and with a human nature (i.e. a human body, soul, intellect and will).
Is that any clearer? (Probably not! Perhaps we ought to look at the Catechism together).
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RyanBlack
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It is a dogmatic teaching of the Church from the time of the Third Council of Constantinople (680-681) that Christ has both a divine will and a human will. It is a dogmatic teaching of the Church from the time of the First Council of Constantinople (381) that Christ has a human soul. Furthermore, the Incarnation continues enternally, that is, from the time of the Incarnation, Christ eternally remains both human and divine.
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TimothyH
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If so, then I submit. I will look this up. The topic is interesting to me. Thanks.
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Verbum_Caro
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Tim,
I took your question not so much as speaking to a difficulty with two wills, but more how a person with two wills operates. That isn’t a silly question, it just shows that you are thinking about the implications of the doctrine.
It is a complicated topic though!
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I took your question not so much as speaking to a difficulty with two wills, but more how a person with two wills operates. That isn’t a silly question, it just shows that you are thinking about the implications of the doctrine.
It is a complicated topic though!
VC
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ConstantineTG
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Our souls go to God when we die. Because He is already God, then he has his soul with him.
“Seated in heaven” may be misleading. Because we know that the spirit world is different from the physical world. Heaven is not a place the way we understand places here on earth. And neither is it sitting in a way we view sitting here. So the human soul of Christ is with Him for all eternity.
Jesus is human and divine from the Annunciation (which was his earthly conception) and for all eternity. Prior to that, he was only divine.
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Dirt
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Tim try this:
cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/trent/tcreed03.htm
cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/trent/tcreed03.htm
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fall_fox
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fall fox
In the creed we say he descended to hell, (the dead) Christ’s soul was about the business of retrieving all the souls of the saints who died prior to his coming as the Messiah to suffer and die to atone for not only our sins but also to free their souls.
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TheDoctor
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See here also: newadvent.org/cathen/07610b.htm
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ConstantineTG
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The simple question here is, we are receiving the Body of Christ. Is Christ alive or dead? A dead person has blood in his veins and a soul. So the Host, being the risen and very much living Christ, has his body, blood and soul. Now then next part of our belief, is Christ’s human side separate from his divine side? Of course not. Christ is one and whole always. So in the Eucharist is Christ’s body, blood, soul and divinity.
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Brendan
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I believe that is a mistatement. A LIVING person has blood in his veins and a soul.
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Brendan
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Christ had two wills. A human will, by which he willed to do human acts, such as getting up in the morning, eating etc…
And a Divine Will, which is shared with the Father and Spirit.
We see the human will in the prayer in the garden of Gethsemene, “not my will, but yours be done” (Luke 22:42)
The human will would rightly seek to avoid pain, suffering and death. The Divine Will saw the need for the Passion as the most fitting solution to the Fall.
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ConstantineTG
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dailey
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I also heard that Jesus preached in hell (or the "place of the dead)? Does anyone know anything more about this? My 8 yo daughter was asking about this subject last week and I just want to make sure I gave her the correct answer.
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