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Steadfast
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What are you asking me here?
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jonfan
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Do Christians that are married have God’s blessing?
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Steadfast
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Um, sure.
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jonfan
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Isn’t God’s blessing divine?
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Steadfast
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Let’s cut to the chase.
You, being Catholic, believe that Matrimony is a Sacrament, something instituted by God as a means of Grace for Christians.
You will probably be surprised to find out that Lutherans, largely agree with you. What we deny is that there is anything specifically Christian about marriage qua marriage and therefore that it is a Sacrament.
When Christians get married, they do so in Church, before God, imploring the blessing of God upon the union and making promises to one another to which God is called to witness.
Luther never disputed any of this. And you would know this if you would do more than just cull his works for ostensibly damning material and try to understand him in context.
But I realize that you aren’t going to Luther to understand him. That’s not why you’re reading him. You’re reading him because you want to insult and deride him and portray him as a weirdo.
But this is cheap.
He’s dead. He can’t answer for himself, and instead of reading more than just a few snippets gathered by polemicists to get his whole point, you’re going to demand that I defend him because my church is unfortunate enough to bear his name.
What exactly do you want from me?
Prove me wrong. Make something good and useful from this mess of a thread.
You, being Catholic, believe that Matrimony is a Sacrament, something instituted by God as a means of Grace for Christians.
You will probably be surprised to find out that Lutherans, largely agree with you. What we deny is that there is anything specifically Christian about marriage qua marriage and therefore that it is a Sacrament.
When Christians get married, they do so in Church, before God, imploring the blessing of God upon the union and making promises to one another to which God is called to witness.
Luther never disputed any of this. And you would know this if you would do more than just cull his works for ostensibly damning material and try to understand him in context.
But I realize that you aren’t going to Luther to understand him. That’s not why you’re reading him. You’re reading him because you want to insult and deride him and portray him as a weirdo.
But this is cheap.
He’s dead. He can’t answer for himself, and instead of reading more than just a few snippets gathered by polemicists to get his whole point, you’re going to demand that I defend him because my church is unfortunate enough to bear his name.
What exactly do you want from me?
Prove me wrong. Make something good and useful from this mess of a thread.
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jonfan
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I am not trying to degrade you. I am not trying to be cheap. If these are your beliefs and you are in a inter-religious forum than how is that making me “cheap shot” Luther. The church did need changes like a vatican 2 when Luther was alive. I don’t disagree with that. I disagree with luther’s teaching on the sacrament of Marriage. Instead of bandaging a wound on an arm he cut the whole arm off. As far as Marriage Scripture tells us Christ made it a blessed union defined by God.
Paul said, “To the married I give charge, not I but the Lord, that the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does, let her remain single or else be reconciled to her husband)—and that the husband should not divorce his wife” (1 Cor. 7:10-11).
So that is why we(Catholics) view it as a sacrament. That is why Luther’s words took me a back. I meant no offense to you kind sir.
God bless,
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Steadfast
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warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/History/teaching/protref/women/WR0911.htm
This is a pretty even article talking about Luther’s atrtitude toward marriage. The author thinks highly of Luther but at the same time doesn’t pull any punches and portrays him as a product of his time.
This is a pretty even article talking about Luther’s atrtitude toward marriage. The author thinks highly of Luther but at the same time doesn’t pull any punches and portrays him as a product of his time.
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Steadfast
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warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/History/teaching/protref/women/WR0913.htm
Here is a sermon by Luther on the estate of marriage.
Horse’s mouth, as it were.
Here is a sermon by Luther on the estate of marriage.
Horse’s mouth, as it were.
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jonfan
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Thank you for the links. Steadfast are these your beliefs as well?
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Steadfast
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More or less…I would probably disagree with some of his more medieval assumptions about the role of women as baby-machines…
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jonfan
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(laughing at the baby machines) do you not even believe in the possibilty that Marriage blessed by God can give our lives more Grace?
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Steadfast
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But of course.
And Luther would agree.
He firmly believed his Katie was a great blessing from God.
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jonfan
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Sacrament = A gift from God to bring his Grace to our lives.
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