Bongo drums, modern songs, and waving hands

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rlg94086 said:
My son (16) and I both enjoy punk rock (my 13yo daughter, not so much), so that is a great example. We still go to Mass with gregorian chant. We have been to Lifeteen and folk-style Masses in the past, but we find them lacking.

I think it would be great to have such music in a teen fellowship group separate from Mass.
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Yep, and when the modern day kids of today start getting older and hit their 40’s, then what? They will probably be complaining about the modern music at that time and how they would prefer to have their mass in the music they like.

There is nothing wrong with glorifying God in anytype of music, these are just ‘traditions’ traditions are not the same thing as the word of God, traditions are human made. We are not going to lose salvation if we give up some human made tradition.
 
JFonseka said:
Yep, and when the modern day kids of today start getting older and hit their 40’s, then what? They will probably be complaining about the modern music at that time and how they would prefer to have their mass in the music they like.
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Exactly! Which is why gregorian chant holds “pride of place” in the Church. 👍 Fads come and go. BTW…I’m not sure why you say “yep” in response to my last post. Your paragraph doesn’t seem to follow my thoughts. 🤷
There is nothing wrong with glorifying God in anytype of music, these are just ‘traditions’ traditions are not the same thing as the word of God, traditions are human made. We are not going to lose salvation if we give up some human made tradition.
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I have no problem with glorifying God in any type of music, and I have never said this. I just don’t think that “any type of music” needs to be in the Mass.
 
rlg94086 said:
Exactly! Which is why gregorian chant holds “pride of place” in the Church. 👍 Fads come and go. BTW…I’m not sure why you say “yep” in response to my last post. Your paragraph doesn’t seem to follow my thoughts. 🤷

I have no problem with glorifying God in any type of music, and I have never said this. I just don’t think that “any type of music” needs to be in the Mass.
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Yea well others would disagree with you, there is nothing wrong with the types of music, it’s the lyrics that matter. And I think we were both on about something totally different anyways, I’m not referring to the whole mass in heavy metal, just the musical parts of the mass.
 
JFonseka said:
Yea well others would disagree with you, there is nothing wrong with the types of music, it’s the lyrics that matter. And I think we were both on about something totally different anyways, I’m not referring to the whole mass in heavy metal, just the musical parts of the mass.
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Yeah…well others would be wrong. 😛 😃

BTW…should the whole family go to Mass together, or should we split up according to indvidual tastes? My kids go to Mass with us.
 
If the 14 year old is from the modern day, I’d bet that 99% of them would be for the punk song and not the gregorian chant. Some people find certain types of music boring, when you are bored you are less attentive and likely to get your mind wandering elsewhere.
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I must be part of that 1%. Btw how did you arrive at that 99%. Did you research it or did you just give a guess. Before you come to your conclusion, remember there are still a lot of catholic schools out there that encourage traditional songs, and a lot of parents that teach their kids traditional songs. It would take me awhile to go through the variables and calculate the percentages but surely it can’t be 99%. I’m sorry, I have to disagree with that logic.
These threads strangely remind me of when Jesus accused Pharisees about their devotion to the “traditions” and less to the word of God.
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It’s not always about “traditions”, some people don’t like ‘traditional music’ and they may not connect with the song easily and hence find it difficult to connect to God through that song.
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Fine, good but don’t you think that it can be done separate from mass. Also it is not like we focus on traditions and not God. The traditions are how we connect with God. Now some of yall think well, contemporary music is how I connect with God. As I said that is fine good, however why is have to be done at mass and not on a separate occasion? Can’t we all go to a mass that is serious and not clapy happy time? Some arise the question, ‘well the organ was not used right away in early masses’. Yes at one time it was modern to mass but you got to think Catholicism had to be established. Now it is. No one or very few then thought of it as something weird to have in mass. A bit different but then they thought ‘wow the organ is a great instrument really goes to the songs. Last I checked, drums were not just invented in the 90’s. Can anyone play Gloria with a drum set? Well it late for me 11.37 CDT. I’m tired.
 
I question whether anyone who turned away from Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament because of music was truly a Christian to begin with. I realize that everyone who is baptized is a Christian, but eventually the baptized person has to make a personal decision to follow Christ and be His disciple. It seems that anyone who allows something of this world, e.g., music, to turn them away from Christ had a pretty skaky faith.

Again, I recognize and sympathize with those who had their traditions ripped away from them. However, some saints who had their heads and arms and legs ripped away from them still followed Jesus.

As for teenagers, these young ones have only barely started following Jesus. It is important that we help them to learn to follow Him. If music will help keep them close to Jesus in the Mass (not during some “concert” or “youth meeting” where Jesus is not present in the Blessed Sacrament), then I say let them have their music. As they grow in faith in Jesus, they will be able to take in and appreciate more styles of human music, as Jesus infuses them with His love.

I am a fairly new Catholic, and I can testify that if the only Mass available to me had nothing but screaming punk grunge rock and priests in clown outfits and abuses up the wazoo, I would still attend as often as possible to see Jesus and receive Him in Holy Communion.

As the old song says, “Jesus is fairer, Jesus is purer, Who makes the woeful heart to sing.”

I am thankful that there are MANY Masses of all styles, including the TLM and the Life Teen Mass available in my city. I am very blessed indeed!

I pray that all of you can look past the music and the rubrics and the human trappings of Mass and hear the angels playing in heaven, see the saints praying and praising the Lord Jesus Himself! That’s what I see and hear at Mass, even if the music is not to my personal taste. Don’t you see them, brothers and sisters? Don’t you see heaven during Mass? It’s so beautiful! The human music is just an echo of what’s really happening during Mass!

Jesus, Jesus…that’s what Mass is all about. Look past the poor human hands and voices and listen to Him.
 
agapewolf said:
I do every week. Its an amazing addition that reaches to people and makes them want to belt out so much louder. but, it has to be done correctly.
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Sorry but this would have me leaving the parish (not the Mass) to find another place to worship. My son played drums in many bands, marching and rock, I like drums. But not in any Mass.
 
rlg94086 said:
We don’t “connect to God” through song. We worship and praise with song. We connect to God through the Eucharist.
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Then why bother to have music to begin with?

I’ve heard this “the Eucharist is the only thing that matters” line for years.

If that’s true, then why bother with anything else? We could all go to church, line up as we walk in, go forward, receive, and walk straight back out. 15 minues, tops, and we wouldn’t have to pay for musicians.

I’m sorry, but it doesn’t wash. The Eucharist is, and rightly so, the pinnacle of Catholic worship. But everything else is there to help support the Eucharist. The idea that the Eucharist is somehow isolated from the rest of the vaudeville show and the vaudeville can be blithely ignored is balderdash.
 
Wolseley said:
Then why bother to have music to begin with?

I’ve heard this “the Eucharist is the only thing that matters” line for years.

If that’s true, then why bother with anything else? We could all go to church, line up as we walk in, go forward, receive, and walk straight back out. 15 minus, tops, and we wouldn’t have to pay for musicians.

I’m sorry, but it doesn’t wash. The Eucharist is, and rightly so, the pinnacle of Catholic worship. But everything else is there to help support the Eucharist. The idea that the Eucharist is somehow isolated from the rest of the vaudeville show and the vaudeville can be blithely ignored is balderdash.
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So true and I for one do not go for the vaudeville show. 🤷

I go for a Catholic Mass with reverent worship. The Eucharist is the wonderful blessing and joining with Christ that makes my participation a small part of heaven for me while I am still on this earth.😃
 
“As I said that is fine good, however why is have to be done at mass and not on a separate occasion?”
I’m sorry, bad grammer. I should be…

As I said that is fine good, however why does it have to be done at mass and not on a separate occasion.
 
KathleenElsie said:
So true and I for one do not go for the vaudeville show. 🤷

I go for a Catholic Mass with reverent worship. The Eucharist is the wonderful blessing and joining with Christ that makes my participation a small part of heaven for me while I am still on this earth.😃
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My point is that just because there is drums, does not make it irreverant. Revenrance does not equal quiet or slow. That is your opinion that having drums equals a vaudeville show, or concert. My friend who played drums for the pope when he came to St. Louis is one the most prayerful, humble, and reverent people I know. He knows how to play drums reverantly…yes, it can be done. It is used as a tool to support the singing. A fill at the right time into a chorus can raise the volume of the congregations voices 2x or more.

People seem to have this “filter” already…that as soon as they see a drum set, that it is a concert. Not so.
 
You might try reading my post again. The reason we have music is “to give worship and praise to God.” I didn’t say “the Eucharist is the only thing that matters,” so you must be quoting someone else. It is important to have music in the Mass, and it is important that it fulfills it’s primary purpose in a reverent way that, as you said, “supports the Eucharist.”

However, have you ever been to a Mass without music? I have (it was a daily Mass). Everything was read/prayed. It isn’t my preference, but the Eucharist was still there, and we still connected with God. Now, try to do the reverse - music, but no Eucharist. Oops…no Mass.
Wolseley said:
Then why bother to have music to begin with?

I’ve heard this “the Eucharist is the only thing that matters” line for years.

If that’s true, then why bother with anything else? We could all go to church, line up as we walk in, go forward, receive, and walk straight back out. 15 minues, tops, and we wouldn’t have to pay for musicians.

I’m sorry, but it doesn’t wash. The Eucharist is, and rightly so, the pinnacle of Catholic worship. But everything else is there to help support the Eucharist. The idea that the Eucharist is somehow isolated from the rest of the vaudeville show and the vaudeville can be blithely ignored is balderdash.
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This psalm form USCCB says,
1 1 Hallelujah! 2 Praise God in his holy sanctuary; give praise in the mighty dome of heaven. 2 Give praise for his mighty deeds, praise him for his great majesty. 3 Give praise with blasts upon the horn, praise him with harp and lyre. 4 Give praise with tambourines and dance, praise him with flutes and strings. 5 Give praise with crashing cymbals, praise him with sounding cymbals. 6 Let everything that has breath give praise to the LORD! Hallelujah! This suggests that worshipping on a variety of instruments is indeed showing reverence to God as it is in His Word. I think that it is down to personal preference. God will be pleased if we are worshipping Him regardless of our musical preferences. Note that it didn’t say organ or chanting but that doesn’t mean they are wrong either. God just wants us to worship Him using whatever means available to us.
 
Linnyo said:
This psalm form USCCB says,
1 1 Hallelujah! 2 Praise God in his holy sanctuary; give praise in the mighty dome of heaven. 2 Give praise for his mighty deeds, praise him for his great majesty. 3 Give praise with blasts upon the horn, praise him with harp and lyre. 4 Give praise with tambourines and dance, praise him with flutes and strings. 5 Give praise with crashing cymbals, praise him with sounding cymbals. 6 Let everything that has breath give praise to the LORD! Hallelujah! This suggests that worshipping on a variety of instruments is indeed showing reverence to God as it is in His Word. I think that it is down to personal preference. God will be pleased if we are worshipping Him regardless of our musical preferences. Note that it didn’t say organ or chanting but that doesn’t mean they are wrong either. God just wants us to worship Him using whatever means available to us.
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Give praise Yup.😃 I love a good praid and worship service. Just not at the Mass.🤷
 
I’m extremely excited! I am a member of an Italian parish in Stamford, Connecticut. And we are lacking and organist. We are in the midst of finding a new organist, but we have a few Italian Feast Days coming up, at witch i will be playing the Organ. I have made lists of Gregorian Chant Music, and Polyphonic Hymns that will be used. I am so excited to be able to play for God at these feasts. I cant wait! It’s going to be amazing. Again, I’m only 14.
 
ItalianBoy1993 said:
I’m extremely excited! I am a member of an Italian parish in Stamford, Connecticut. And we are lacking and organist. We are in the midst of finding a new organist, but we have a few Italian Feast Days coming up, at witch i will be playing the Organ. I have made lists of Gregorian Chant Music, and Polyphonic Hymns that will be used. I am so excited to be able to play for God at these feasts. I cant wait! It’s going to be amazing. Again, I’m only 14.
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Bless you. My children and now the grandchildren are trained in organ and piano. They are all trained on the same piano I purchased for “myself” LOL. Tradition is a wonderful thing.😃
 
Wow that’s great. Have fun 🙂 I would love to have the chance to play for God. Al though I have no knowledge of the organ. My voice is no good, and the only instrument I have ever play was the recorder. And I only mastered hot cross buns. Sigh 😦
Well I suppose I could learn.
 
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