Bongo drums, modern songs, and waving hands

[Sword_Brethren]

I do every week. Its an amazing addition that reaches to people and makes them want to belt out so much louder. but, it has to be done correctly.

"I do not believe that congo drums and rock drums meet the conditions for instruments for liturgical music. The instruments, like the music, should evoke the sacred and not the profane. The Second Vatican Council, in its Dogmatic Constitution on the Liturgy stated,

1. In the Latin Church the pipe organ is to be held in high esteem, for it is the traditional musical instrument which adds a wonderful splendor to the Church’s ceremonies and powerfully lifts up man’s mind to God and to higher things.
   But other instruments also may be admitted for use in divine worship, with the knowledge and consent of the competent territorial authority, as laid down in Art. 22, 52, 37, and 40. This may be done, however, only on condition that the instruments are suitable, or can be made suitable, for sacred use, accord with the dignity of the temple, and truly contribute to the edification of the faithful.

It is a false understanding of the intention of the Council to introduce instruments and music into the Mass because a particular ethnic group or age group enjoys a certain kind of music (rock, polka, jazz, etc.). Such music and such instruments may give the congregation an emotional lift, such as it does in their worldly setting (concert, dance hall, lounge, family living room etc.), but that is not the goal of liturgical music! Liturgical music, like the liturgy itself, should draw one’s mind away from the world to God and heavenly things, not last Saturday night’s concert. In the context of Western Europeanized culture, the use of such instruments and music is anti-liturgical, a deformation (such as Pope Benedict spoke of in his letter to bishops accompanying his motu proprio on the Latin Mass), and a grave injustice to the people going to Mass.

In certain situations, there can be an appropriate inculturation of instruments and music for societies for whom particular instruments of their culture have played a spiritual role, provided it is not so tied up with non-Christian worship as to be associated exclusively with false worship. It is on this basis that in places in Africa and Asia that dance and drums may serve a spiritual role, which in US culture is associated almost exclusively with secular music - and therefore, are not allowed."

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[Sword_Brethren]

And again, as I said before, the Mass is ALSO a celebration of the RESURRECTION. After Jesus rose from the dead, and finally was recognized, I’ll bet they danced and sang.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having a joyful upbeat song at Mass. Nothing,.

I think you understanding of the word celebration in Holy Mass is wrong.
Originally Posted by Windmill
Celebrate, or in Latin, celebrare, literally means, “to come together.” Only in modern times has the definition been narrowed to mean “for a joyous purpose.” However, as Fr. Peter Stravinskas is oft to say, “Joy does not mean hilarity or tomfoolery.” Despite the modern connotation of the word, the language of the Church is consistent. One could equally say that a solemn Requiem Mass was a celebration, in that the mourners gathered together.
I found this on blog.allwords.com,
Etymology–The term celebrate comes from the Latin celebratus, a form of celebrare, meaning to attend in great numbers. It also has associations of thronged, frequented or well known. French, Italian and Spanish show similar Latin roots.
Then there is this from, yourdictionary.com, Etymology: ME celebraten < L celebratus, pp. of celebrare, to frequent, go in great numbers, honor < celeber, frequented, populous; akin to celer, swift: see hold.
Answer by Fr. Robert J. Levis on 1/30/2008:

"Unfortunately celebration is a word whose meaning today is popularly restricted to partying. But celebrating the Sacraments is far older in the use of the Church. What better word is there than “celebration” for the Mass where Christ’s Passion and Saving Death is re-presented for the glory of the Father, the Glory of his Son, in the presence of countless number of singing angelic choirs, where our Salvation is effected, and the sinful congregation is elevated out of this world to anticipation of bliss in the next. God bless. Fr. Bob Levis

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[Sword_Brethren]

Q. 917. What is the Mass?
A. The Mass is the unbloody sacrifice of the body and blood of Christ.

 

[Sword_Brethren]

And again, as I said before, the Mass is ALSO a celebration of the RESURRECTION. After Jesus rose from the dead, and finally was recognized, I’ll bet they danced and sang.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having a joyful upbeat song at Mass. Nothing,

Baltimore catechism

Q. 917. What is the Mass?
A. The Mass is the unbloody sacrifice of the body and blood of Christ.

 

[Sword_Brethren]

I hated church when I was a kid…I grew up in a good household too, but church was absolutely meaningless for me, I dreaded it and hated it. When I discovered the Mass done with passion and music that didn’t sound like a durge, that attracted me to search deeper. Now, becasue of the “happy clappy” (as people like to call it), I am able to go to a quiet daily Mass, or quiet adoration and know that Christ is there no matter what.

You stated you hated church when you were a boy. You are meaning Mass, right. If so, the problem was not with Holy Mass but the problem was with you.

 

[agapewolf]

You stated you hated church when you were a boy. You are meaning Mass, right. If so, the problem was not with Holy Mass but the problem was with you.

I am female.

I never said the problem was with the mass itself, don’t put words in my mouth. By the way it was celebrated, it was not evangelistic.

Why don’t you go tell every kid that hates going to church the problem is with THEM. That will keep them in the faith.

 

[agapewolf]

Baltimore catechism

Q. 917. What is the Mass?
A. The Mass is the unbloody sacrifice of the body and blood of Christ.

Do you understand what PASCHAL mystery means? It is said many times during the Mass.Paschal is death AND resurrection.

I was not misundertsanding the word “Celebrate” we celebrate it all.

From the Catechism of the Catholic church:

*1409 The Eucharist is the memorial of Christ’s Passover, that is, of the work of salvation accomplished by the life, death, and resurrection of Christ, a work made present by the liturgical action. *

 

[Sword_Brethren]

Do you understand what PASCHAL mystery means? It is said many times during the Mass.Paschal is death AND resurrection.]

Catechism of the Catholic Church, VI. THE PASCHAL BANQUET

1382 The Mass is at the same time, and inseparably, the sacrificial memorial in which the sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated and the sacred banquet of communion with the Lord’s body and blood. But the celebration of the Eucharistic sacrifice is wholly directed toward the intimate union of the faithful with Christ through communion. To receive communion is to receive Christ himself who has offered himself for us.