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Hello All.
This question is actually addressed to all the Anglicans and Episcopalians here at this forum. I was at 2 different book stores today and saw two Books of Common Prayer. The dates were different for each. I almost bought one just out of curiosity. But truthfully I would rather have a Maronite Missal. But then again I am a Maronite Catholic so go figure, I would. 🙂
My question is simply this. I know there are different flavors of Anglicans and Episcopalians ranging from the Anglo Catholics, to the Evangelicals. But do you all use the Book of Common Prayer, different years not withstanding?
I'm curious as I have an interest in Anglicanism at least concerning apostolic succession. Personally, books of prayer fascinate me.
 
My Traditional/Orthodox church uses the 1928 BCP which is more traditional, the ECUSA church uses the 1979 BCP which is more secular, some stuff removed to reflect modern times.

Some Orthodox Anglicans still use the 1662 BCP my church has discussed going back to the 1662 BCP. 🤷
 
My Traditional/Orthodox church uses the 1928 BCP which is more traditional, the ECUSA church uses the 1979 BCP which is more secular, some stuff removed to reflect modern times.

Some Orthodox Anglicans still use the 1662 BCP my church has discussed going back to the 1662 BCP. 🤷
The term “Common” in the BCP title is an anachronistic misnomer. Folks use all sorts of stuff. I have heard of free form liturgy in some of the more outre jurisdictions, but have no personal knowledge of it. And there are about to be all sorts of ad-lib rites and blessings and things like that emerging, in TEC.

GKC
 
Hello All.
This question is actually addressed to all the Anglicans and Episcopalians here at this forum. I was at 2 different book stores today and saw two Books of Common Prayer. The dates were different for each. I almost bought one just out of curiosity. But truthfully I would rather have a Maronite Missal. But then again I am a Maronite Catholic so go figure, I would. 🙂
My question is simply this. I know there are different flavors of Anglicans and Episcopalians ranging from the Anglo Catholics, to the Evangelicals. But do you all use the Book of Common Prayer, different years not withstanding?
The different years don’t mark high/low distinctions particularly. If you’re in the United States, then probably you saw the 1979 and 1928 BCP’s. The 1979 revision is controversial among conservative American Anglicans, for a lot of the same reasons that the post-VatII liturgical revisions are controversial among Roman Catholics. The 1979 BCP was influenced by much of the same scholarship that shaped the RC liturgical revisions (which also influenced various mainline Protestant denominations). However, in the Episcopal context the new BCP also coincided with the ordination of women, and the two things together precipitated a schism. The “Continuing Anglicans” use the 1928 BCP. The 1979 version contains a “Rite I” which is fairly close to the 1928 liturgy, but even it is not quite the same (in particular, the highly penitential language is toned down).

The 1979 BCP is the official liturgy of the Episcopal Church.

The English situation is a bit different. The official liturgy of the Church of England continues to be the 1662 Book of Common Prayer. (The American Prayer Book tradition is somewhat more Catholic, particularly in its Eucharistic theology and also in the inclusion of prayer for the dead.) A revision was proposed in 1928 (don’t ask me what was in the water in 1928!), but was voted down by Parliament. In the 80s, an “Alternative Service Book” was drawn up, which has now been replaced by the “Book of Common Worship.” These books are not official replacements of the BCP, but in practice they seem to be used much more often than the BCP. They reflect the same “post-Vatican-II” liturgical scholarship as the 1979 American BCP, but allow for much more variation, it seems to me.

As I said, the 1928/1979 division doesn’t really cut across Anglo-Catholic/evangelical lines. Anglo-Catholics are more likely to be liturgically traditionalist and to oppose the ordination of women, so they are heavily represented among the “Continuing Anglicans.” But not all Continuing Anglicans are Anglo-Catholic, and many users of the 1979 BCP continue to call themselves “Anglo-Catholics.”

That being said, there are folks on either side of the spectrum who don’t use the BCP, or at least tamper with it considerably. Many Anglo-Catholics adopted something called the “Anglican Missal” (there is a corresponding Anglican Breviary), which is basically the traditional Roman Mass translated into old-fashioned liturgical English, with some elements from the BCP. Other posters, such as “GKC,” can inform you better on this or on Anglo-Catholicism generally. The use of the “Anglican Missal” seems more common in England than in the U.S. The same is true for the Evangelical equivalent, which is to ignore the Prayer Book and conduct worship services that look a lot like any other Protestant service. Generally there is more liturgical (and theological) uniformity among American Anglicans. The C of E is an extremely broad tent, because it’s the state church and the “default option” for English Christians not in communion with Rome.

Edwin
 
My Traditional/Orthodox church uses the 1928 BCP which is more traditional, the ECUSA church uses the 1979 BCP which is more secular, some stuff removed to reflect modern times.
That is a highly pejorative and in my opinion unfair description. I find it hard to see how the 1979 BCP can be reasonably described as “secular,” and one major motivation for the changes was to conform more closely to the worship patterns of the early Church. Certainly this “ressourcement,” like all such attempts to look to the past for renewal, was influenced by the values of the time in which it took place. When we look at the early Church, we tend to see what our culture predisposes us to see. But of course that was as true in the 16th century (or in the 19th century, when the Anglo-Catholic movement began) as in the 1960s and 70s. Many of the changes in the 1979 BCP get rid of elements peculiar to late medieval and early modern Western Christianity, such as the highly penitential tone. Traditional Western Christians see these elements as simply traditional, and tend to see their removal as “secularization.”

Note: I’m not an unqualified defender of the 1979 BCP by any means. But your description simply is not just or accurate.

Edwin
 
Contarini,

This book might interest you: Which Rite is Right? by Peter Toon.
 
Contarini,

This book might interest you: Which Rite is Right? by Peter Toon.
Or his PROCLAIMING THE GOSPEL THROUGH THE LITURGY: THE COMMON PRAYER TRADITION AND DOCTRINAL REVISION, or his booklet EPISCOPAL INNOVATIONS: 1960-2004.

But I’m pretty sure that these won’t be unknown to Contarini.

GKC
 
The different years don’t mark high/low distinctions particularly. If you’re in the United States, then probably you saw the 1979 and 1928 BCP’s. The 1979 revision is controversial among conservative American Anglicans, for a lot of the same reasons that the post-VatII liturgical revisions are controversial among Roman Catholics. The 1979 BCP was influenced by much of the same scholarship that shaped the RC liturgical revisions (which also influenced various mainline Protestant denominations). However, in the Episcopal context the new BCP also coincided with the ordination of women, and the two things together precipitated a schism. The “Continuing Anglicans” use the 1928 BCP. The 1979 version contains a “Rite I” which is fairly close to the 1928 liturgy, but even it is not quite the same (in particular, the highly penitential language is toned down).

The 1979 BCP is the official liturgy of the Episcopal Church.

The English situation is a bit different. The official liturgy of the Church of England continues to be the 1662 Book of Common Prayer. (The American Prayer Book tradition is somewhat more Catholic, particularly in its Eucharistic theology and also in the inclusion of prayer for the dead.) A revision was proposed in 1928 (don’t ask me what was in the water in 1928!), but was voted down by Parliament. In the 80s, an “Alternative Service Book” was drawn up, which has now been replaced by the “Book of Common Worship.” These books are not official replacements of the BCP, but in practice they seem to be used much more often than the BCP. They reflect the same “post-Vatican-II” liturgical scholarship as the 1979 American BCP, but allow for much more variation, it seems to me.

As I said, the 1928/1979 division doesn’t really cut across Anglo-Catholic/evangelical lines. Anglo-Catholics are more likely to be liturgically traditionalist and to oppose the ordination of women, so they are heavily represented among the “Continuing Anglicans.” But not all Continuing Anglicans are Anglo-Catholic, and many users of the 1979 BCP continue to call themselves “Anglo-Catholics.”

That being said, there are folks on either side of the spectrum who don’t use the BCP, or at least tamper with it considerably. Many Anglo-Catholics adopted something called the “Anglican Missal” (there is a corresponding Anglican Breviary), which is basically the traditional Roman Mass translated into old-fashioned liturgical English, with some elements from the BCP. Other posters, such as “GKC,” can inform you better on this or on Anglo-Catholicism generally. The use of the “Anglican Missal” seems more common in England than in the U.S. The same is true for the Evangelical equivalent, which is to ignore the Prayer Book and conduct worship services that look a lot like any other Protestant service. Generally there is more liturgical (and theological) uniformity among American Anglicans. The C of E is an extremely broad tent, because it’s the state church and the “default option” for English Christians not in communion with Rome.

Edwin
I agree with Contarini.

Under our late, uber-Anglo-Catholic rector, we often would get the Anglican Missal at Mass. But more often, the 1928 BCP was the standard. Rarely, on special occasions, sometimes 1662, sometimes even 1549, but these were out of the ordinary.

Currently, we are 1928 Prayer Book Anglo-Catholics.

GKC
 
Everyone has given very learned answers, but I’ll give a simple one.

When the Anglicans split with Rome, they wanted a vernacular liturgy. They produced one, called the Book of Common Prayer. Initially there were a few editions, and since then, it has been periodically updated.

Each national Anglican Church produces their own, in their own vernacular. In general they have been quite similar in different places, and the changes tend to be quite conservative - a shift in emphasis, or a bit of updating to reflect changes in the language. As GKC pointed out, some Anglicans do use other books, but the majority use the BCP.

In the 70’s and 80’s there were changes in many countries that were much bigger than had been seen previously. In some cases this was controversial (see comments above). In Canada, where I live, we could not agree about the changes, and so produced a newer liturgy in a separate book, The Book of Alternative Services. (This has largely replaced the BCP in many places.)

BCPs are often referred to by their dates,. In most cases people have used the most recent one, but because the newer ones are controversial, some people use the one before that - which may be why you saw two different ones. A few die-hards are especially attached to some of the very early BCPs.
 
I’ll admit as I like collecting liturgies out there, I’ll likely pick up one of them. Perhaps the 1928 BCP. So then it’s not a requirement to use a BCP to be Anglican or Episcopalian? Then is it the ordination only thing that they have in common?
 
I’ll admit as I like collecting liturgies out there, I’ll likely pick up one of them. Perhaps the 1928 BCP. So then it’s not a requirement to use a BCP to be Anglican or Episcopalian? Then is it the ordination only thing that they have in common?
It’s not safe to assume that any given selections of Anglicans have anything in common.

GKC
 
Contarini,

This book might interest you: Which Rite is Right? by Peter Toon.
I’ve read some online material by him.

Toon appears to have been an old-fashioned low-church conservative Anglican who held by the teachings of the Reformation. If you’re anywhere near the Reformed side of Anglicanism, the 1928 BCP (and 1662 better yet) is definitely superior.

Edwin
 
I’ve read some online material by him.

Toon appears to have been an old-fashioned low-church conservative Anglican who held by the teachings of the Reformation. If you’re anywhere near the Reformed side of Anglicanism, the 1928 BCP (and 1662 better yet) is definitely superior.

Edwin
I find that you see him read by anyone who thinks prayer book Anglicanism is important, even if they aren’t low church or reformed - I know many who tend to Anglo-Catholisism who read him. There is a lot of his stuff (or there used to be) posted at the Prayer Book Society of Canada website.
 
Hello All.
This question is actually addressed to all the Anglicans and Episcopalians here at this forum. I was at 2 different book stores today and saw two Books of Common Prayer. The dates were different for each. I almost bought one just out of curiosity. But truthfully I would rather have a Maronite Missal. But then again I am a Maronite Catholic so go figure, I would. 🙂
My question is simply this. I know there are different flavors of Anglicans and Episcopalians ranging from the Anglo Catholics, to the Evangelicals. But do you all use the Book of Common Prayer, different years not withstanding?
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 I'm curious as I have an interest in Anglicanism at least concerning apostolic succession.  Personally, books of prayer fascinate me.
gmcbroom:

Might I suggest visiting an Anglican Use Roman Catholic Church. They use something called the Book of Divine Worship whish is based on the 1979 BCP - GKP did the Frontaspiece, so although the thing is HUGE, it’s supposed to have a pretty cover.
anglicanuse.org/
anglicanuse.org/Links.htm
(4 parishes in TX)
Otherwise - Try my friends in the ACA - They’re the one’s who agreed to the go to Rome as a Body…
acahomeorg0.web701.discountasp.net/
dmvaca.org/
(2 Parishes in TX)

Order of Communion from 1548
http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/Communion_1548.htm
1928 Book of Common Prayer sources
http://www.commonprayer.org/
commonprayer.org/bcpsource.cfm
justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/1928/BCP_1928.htm
Anglican Breviary
anglicanbreviary.net/

Good MANE,
Your Brother & Servant in Christ, Michael
 
I’ll admit as I like collecting liturgies out there, I’ll likely pick up one of them. Perhaps the 1928 BCP. So then it’s not a requirement to use a BCP to be Anglican or Episcopalian? Then is it the ordination only thing that they have in common?
See if you can get you hands on an American or Anglican Missal - They’ll closely mirror the old Tridentine Mass. When Properly done, a Solemn High Mass from one of those Missals is one of the most beautiful liturgies the West can produce. The Serum Rite is also extremely beautiful - The English did a Translation in the 1540’s –
Serum Missal
justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/Sarum/index.htm
In English
justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/Sarum/English.htm

Enjoy!
Good MANE,
Your Brother & Servant, Michael

PS - These are as close as the West gets to the Eastern Divine Liturgies…
 
A friend of mine did the frontispiece.

GKC
gmcbroom:

Might I suggest visiting an Anglican Use Roman Catholic Church. They use something called the Book of Divine Worship whish is based on the 1979 BCP - GKP did the Frontaspiece, so although the thing is HUGE, it’s supposed to have a pretty cover.
anglicanuse.org/
anglicanuse.org/Links.htm
(4 parishes in TX)
Otherwise - Try my friends in the ACA - They’re the one’s who agreed to the go to Rome as a Body…
acahomeorg0.web701.discountasp.net/
dmvaca.org/
(2 Parishes in TX)

Order of Communion from 1548
http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/Communion_1548.htm
1928 Book of Common Prayer sources
http://www.commonprayer.org/
commonprayer.org/bcpsource.cfm
justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/1928/BCP_1928.htm
Anglican Breviary
anglicanbreviary.net/

Good MANE,
Your Brother & Servant in Christ, Michael
 
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