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Is it alright to use pray with the Book of Common Prayer? I love the BCP and have many versions of it on my computer. I have the 1549 UK, 1559 UK, 1662 UK, 1789 US, 1892 US, 1928 US, 1962 CAN, the 1979 US and the Book of Alternate Services CAN. I also have the Anglo-Catholic Anglican Missal and the Anglican Service Book. Also I have the Anglican Use Book of Divine Worship and the Anglican Use Offices and the Orthodox St. Andrew Service Book. I may be not Anglican but I still love it.

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Rose_Commander said:
Is it alright to use pray with the Book of Common Prayer? I love the BCP and have many versions of it on my computer. I have the 1549 UK, 1559 UK, 1662 UK, 1789 US, 1892 US, 1928 US, 1962 CAN, the 1979 US and the Book of Alternate Services CAN. I also have the Anglo-Catholic Anglican Missal and the Anglican Service Book. Also I have the Anglican Use Book of Divine Worship and the Anglican Use Offices and the Orthodox St. Andrew Service Book. I may be not Anglican but I still love it.

Any thoughts?
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Yes. And I’ll bet you’ll hear even more of them, shortly.

GKC

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The BCP is a wonder aide to prayer and worship. I am a former Episcopalian, that became RC 7 years ago. The BCP is one of the really good things of the Anglican/Episcopal Church. As a RC I find no reason not to use it to aide my prayer life.
 
The Anglican Use Book of Divine Worship is Catholic, so there is certainly not problem there.
 
I am sure the very orthodox, strict Catholics in here would tell you some of it is permissible as long as you don’t subscribe to the 39 Articles of Religion or catechism Q and A in the back as well as the actual liturgical responses and verbage that sounds too memorialist and/or not sacrificial enough to meet the Catholic criterion. Most of the collects, prayers, and other things are pretty denominationally neutral and “safe” for a Catholic. I love the BOCP. When I became Catholic it was a huge loss for me and since I’ve been back in the Anglican Church I have really enjoyed it like meeting up with an old friend again. What a beautiful, classic piece of literature, even if you’re not Anglican, it’s an amazing feat of authorship and religious expression and a piece of history.

And heck, if these Catholics are willing to sing “A Mighty Fortress” by Luther and “Amazing Grace,” which is about as Calvinistic as you can get, I don’t see how the BOCP would hurt! 😃
 
for Catholics, be careful…found this in Articles of Religion section of the1662 BoCP. Will try to find out if this has changed in more recent versions.

XXII. Of Purgatory.
THE Romish doctrine concerning Purgatory, Pardons, worshipping and adoration as well of Images as of Relics, and also Invocation of Saint, is a fond thing vainly invented, and grounded upon no warranty of Scripture; but rather repugnant to the word of God.

eskimo.com/~lhowell/bcp1662/articles/articles.html
which is in the following
eskimo.com/~lhowell/bcp1662/index.html
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
I am sure the very orthodox, strict Catholics in here would tell you some of it is permissible as long as you don’t subscribe to the 39 Articles of Religion or catechism Q and A in the back as well as the actual liturgical responses and verbage that sounds too memorialist and/or not sacrificial enough to meet the Catholic criterion. Most of the collects, prayers, and other things are pretty denominationally neutral and “safe” for a Catholic. I love the BOCP. When I became Catholic it was a huge loss for me and since I’ve been back in the Anglican Church I have really enjoyed it like meeting up with an old friend again. What a beautiful, classic piece of literature, even if you’re not Anglican, it’s an amazing feat of authorship and religious expression and a piece of history.

And heck, if these Catholics are willing to sing “A Mighty Fortress” by Luther and “Amazing Grace,” which is about as Calvinistic as you can get, I don’t see how the BOCP would hurt! 😃
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With my wife (who is Catholic) and I, sometimes the Great Litany follows the rosary. 🙂
 
John7 said:
for Catholics, be careful…found this in Articles of Religion section of the1662 BoCP. Will try to find out if this has changed in more recent versions.

XXII. Of Purgatory.
THE Romish doctrine concerning Purgatory, Pardons, worshipping and adoration as well of Images as of Relics, and also Invocation of Saint, is a fond thing vainly invented, and grounded upon no warranty of Scripture; but rather repugnant to the word of God.

eskimo.com/~lhowell/bcp1662/articles/articles.html
which is in the following
eskimo.com/~lhowell/bcp1662/index.html
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No. It’s still there. But I don’t think the OP intended to recite the Articles. Maybe use Evening Prayer or Morning Prayer Services to pray the LOH, Anglican fashion.

Exactly what the Articles were, are, and aren’t would take more explanation than you would be interested in, I wager. But most Anglicans ignore them

GKC
 
Rose_Commander said:
Is it alright to use pray with the Book of Common Prayer? I love the BCP and have many versions of it on my computer. I have the 1549 UK, 1559 UK, 1662 UK, 1789 US, 1892 US, 1928 US, 1962 CAN, the 1979 US and the Book of Alternate Services CAN. I also have the Anglo-Catholic Anglican Missal and the Anglican Service Book. Also I have the Anglican Use Book of Divine Worship and the Anglican Use Offices and the Orthodox St. Andrew Service Book. I may be not Anglican but I still love it.

Any thoughts?
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The BCP is indeed beautiful. I was a member of a conservative Anglo-Catholic parish before I became RC, and I have to admit that I miss the BCP terribly! I keep a copy of the 1962 CAN by my bedside for personal use. Yes, a very safe resource for the most part… just ignore those “39 Articles” and stick to the Catechism of the Catholic Church instead! 😉

Another extremely beautiful Anglican resource is the Book of Common Praise. There are a HUGE number of beautiful hymns in there that are simply DIVINE. You can access this online as well at: oremus.org/hymnal/can.html Click on any one of hundreds of hymns and then sing along with the musical accompaniment. Cheers! 👍
 
I picked up a 1928 BCP in a used bookstore last year, and try to say (not at all regularly, though) daily Morning and Evening Prayer. I also have a 1662 edition form the Church of England - with simply tiny type. 🙂

Their phrasing (in the traditional ones, of course, not the 1979 version’s clumsiness) is simply without parallel. Especially the two General Confessions for the Office and Holy Communion, the Burial of the Dead, and the marriage service: “With this ring I thee wed, with my body I thee worship, and with all my worldly goods I thee endow: in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”
 
Bran_Stark said:
I picked up a 1928 BCP in a used bookstore last year, and try to say (not at all regularly, though) daily Morning and Evening Prayer. I also have a 1662 edition form the Church of England - with simply tiny type. 🙂

Their phrasing (in the traditional ones, of course, not the 1979 version’s clumsiness) is simply without parallel. Especially the two General Confessions for the Office and Holy Communion, the Burial of the Dead, and the marriage service: “With this ring I thee wed, with my body I thee worship, and with all my worldly goods I thee endow: in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”
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My parish uses the 1928, every Mass, save on some special occasions when a 1549, 1559, or 1662 might be used.

It is beautiful.

GKC
 
We use the 1979 and dang it if I still don’t see the difference between the 79 and 28 and what the hooplah was about?
GKC said:
My parish uses the 1928, every Mass, save on some special occasions when a 1549, 1559, or 1662 might be used.

It is beautiful.

GKC
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gurneyhalleck1 said:
We use the 1979 and dang it if I still don’t see the difference between the 79 and 28 and what the hooplah was about?
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Rite I, I guess. I used to have a better article bookmarked, from the APCK site, maybe I’ll find it. But here’s the late Peter Toon:

pbsusa.org/Articles/Connection.htm

It’s a Lex Orandi thing.

Does the Creed look a little off?

But I like a couple of things. Just wo’nt use the book.

GKC
 
What do you mean about the creed looking a little off?
GKC said:
Rite I, I guess. I used to have a better article bookmarked, from the APCK site, maybe I’ll find it. But here’s the late Peter Toon:

pbsusa.org/Articles/Connection.htm

It’s a Lex Orandi thing.

Does the Creed look a little off?

But I like a couple of things. Just wo’nt use the book.

GKC
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Well Rite II starts like the Catholic Church:

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is seen and unseen

And looking in my prayer book, so does Rite I? What’s wrong?
GKC said:
How does it start, in the 79 book?

GKC
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gurneyhalleck1 said:
Well Rite II starts like the Catholic Church:

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is seen and unseen

And looking in my prayer book, so does Rite I? What’s wrong?
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How’s it start in the 1928 BCP?

GKC
 
Rite I in the 1979 BCP allows for either the “We believe” version (as in Rite II) or the “I believe” version as in the 1928 BCP.

That being said, I did notice a different placement of the fraction during the mass between the 1979 and 1928 BCPs, along with a few other differences.

Gurney, here’s a link to the 1928 BCP justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/1928/BCP_1928.htm

Admittedly, I’m more proficient in the 1979 BCP too.
 
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