Book of Common Prayer

[Rose_Commander]

As we celebrate Lent, I had committed myself to add Morning and Evening Prayer to my devotions. I have a Book of Common Prayer (1662, 1928, 1979)that I had edited somewhat and I was wondering if I can use it for my commitment? As far as I know it, the Morning and Evening Prayers have no doctrinal problems.

Any thoughts?

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I say GO FOR IT. I’m a big fan of Anglicanism in many ways and am finding myself missing that good ole prayerbook since returning to Catholicism (I’m missing lots of things!)…The BOCP is full of rich language, reverent prayer, and love of God. I say if you keep the 39 Articles out of the picture the prayer book is just fine. The collects are awesome. I know personal friends who converted from Anglicanism to the CC and they still read their prayer books during holy days and seasons and find it very edifying. Best of luck to you!!

As we celebrate Lent, I had committed myself to add Morning and Evening Prayer to my devotions. I have a Book of Common Prayer (1662, 1928, 1979)that I had edited somewhat and I was wondering if I can use it for my commitment? As far as I know it, the Morning and Evening Prayers have no doctrinal problems.

Any thoughts?

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

I pray the Liturgy of the Hours, yes I do this out of obedience to my Order’s Rule and Constitutions, but I would pray it even if I was not a friar. I prayed it before I entered the Order.

One thing that I find amazing is that I know I am not praying this alone. Yes I do pray it in community in the priory with but I also mean that this is the prayer of the Church and there are hundreds, thousands, maybe more, praying the same prayer that I am praying.

I find that very powerful.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Are you a former Anglican, Byz?

I pray the Liturgy of the Hours, yes I do this out of obedience to my Order’s Rule and Constitutions, but I would pray it even if I was not a friar. I prayed it before I entered the Order.

One thing that I find amazing is that I know I am not praying this alone. Yes I do pray it in community in the priory with but I also mean that this is the prayer of the Church and there are hundreds, thousands, maybe more, praying the same prayer that I am praying.

I find that very powerful.

 

[BrushedByAngels]

As we celebrate Lent, I had committed myself to add Morning and Evening Prayer to my devotions. I have a Book of Common Prayer (1662, 1928, 1979)that I had edited somewhat and I was wondering if I can use it for my commitment? As far as I know it, the Morning and Evening Prayers have no doctrinal problems.

Any thoughts?

My family is both made up of Episcopalians and Catholics. I have BCP (both 1928 and 1979 versions) Love the BCP and I don’t see anything wrong with it. I think it is a nice daily devotion for you (or anyone.)

 

[Zekariya]

I’ve heard that lots of the collects are translations of older Sarum Rite prayers. Also the prayer of St John Chysostom, at the end of Morning Prayer, is still prayed at every Divine Liturgy in the Orthodox Church.

As-Salamu alaykum,
zekariya

 

[Alexander_Roman]

There are today groups of Orthodox and Roman Catholics who follow the Anglican traditions who use the BCP in their daily devotions.

Judging the “remakes” of the BCP by both Orthodox and RC editions, Morning and Evening Prayer are OK as they are.

Alex

 

[Usbek_de_Perse]

Both Morning Prayer and Evening Prayer are present in the Roman Catholic Book of Divine Worship, an edited version of the Episcopal Church’s 1979 Book of Common Prayer.

I would suggest you uset the 1928 as it contains far less extraneous materials than either the BODW or the 1979 BCP. It simply fits more nicely in the hand, and it has good language.

I applaud your efforts. I believe that these choral offices, non-eucharistic as they are, present wonderful meeting places for Catholics and Anglicans. This is especially true of Evening Prayer (or in its more lovely name Evensong) as it is held in the afternoon or evening and doesn’t get in the way of Sunday morning worship which is eucharistic in both denominations.

As we celebrate Lent, I had committed myself to add Morning and Evening Prayer to my devotions. I have a Book of Common Prayer (1662, 1928, 1979)that I had edited somewhat and I was wondering if I can use it for my commitment? As far as I know it, the Morning and Evening Prayers have no doctrinal problems.

Any thoughts?

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Are you a former Anglican, Byz?

No, I am Catholic.

For me, any Catholic who wishes to pray the hours should do so with the Church by using the Liturgy of the Hours. The Book of Common prayer is not of our Tradition and not approved for use. Yes it can be used as a private devotion but I think it is more powerful to raise your voice in prayer with the whole Church by using the prayer of the Church, the Liturgy of the Hours.

 

[Usbek_de_Perse]

No, I am Catholic.

For me, any Catholic who wishes to pray the hours should do so with the Church by using the Liturgy of the Hours. The Book of Common prayer is not of our Tradition and not approved for use. Yes it can be used as a private devotion but I think it is more powerful to raise your voice in prayer with the whole Church by using the prayer of the Church, the Liturgy of the Hours.

Morning and Evening Prayer are approved and form a part of the Book of Divine Worship.

That said, I like the liturgy of the hours contained in iBreviary, except the modern language still jars me. The Book of Common Prayer is so much more beautiful.

 

[Rose_Commander]

Both Morning Prayer and Evening Prayer are present in the Roman Catholic Book of Divine Worship, an edited version of the Episcopal Church’s 1979 Book of Common Prayer.

I would suggest you uset the 1928 as it contains far less extraneous materials than either the BODW or the 1979 BCP. It simply fits more nicely in the hand, and it has good language.

I applaud your efforts. I believe that these choral offices, non-eucharistic as they are, present wonderful meeting places for Catholics and Anglicans. This is especially true of Evening Prayer (or in its more lovely name Evensong) as it is held in the afternoon or evening and doesn’t get in the way of Sunday morning worship which is eucharistic in both denominations.

I actually been trying to find a copy of the Book of Divine Worship but I can’t find it at any bookstore or online. Do you know where I can get a copy? I live at DFW, Texas.

 

[Usbek_de_Perse]

This is a link to a .pdf file you can download. It is searchable. You will note that despite the fact that there is no ordinary or confirmation service, it manages to be only 40 pages shorter than its model, the 1979 Book of Common Payer.

One wonderful addition they made was the service of Holy Matrimony from the 1928 prayerbook.

I would call Our Lady of the Atonement in San Antonio TX, to see if they are available for purchase.

atonementonline.com/BODW.pdf

I actually been trying to find a copy of the Book of Divine Worship but I can’t find it at any bookstore or online. Do you know where I can get a copy? I live at DFW, Texas.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Note that I asked “former” I wasn’t questioning if you’re Catholic right now. As for the Book of Common Prayer, I personally don’t feel I have to pray what everyone else is praying to please the Lord. I go to Mass and pray the rosary and other prayers that I hope please the Lord. The Book of Common Prayer though not “approved” is actually approved in a roundabout way in that some Anglican communities coming over to Rome are permitted to use it as long as the Calvinist trappings are omitted (39 Articles and such). I see no problem with it. It’s a beautiful piece of prayer devotion and a timeless piece of literature in itself.

No, I am Catholic.

For me, any Catholic who wishes to pray the hours should do so with the Church by using the Liturgy of the Hours. The Book of Common prayer is not of our Tradition and not approved for use. Yes it can be used as a private devotion but I think it is more powerful to raise your voice in prayer with the whole Church by using the prayer of the Church, the Liturgy of the Hours.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Note that I asked “former” I wasn’t questioning if you’re Catholic right now.

I realized this but I guess my reply wasn’t all that helpful.

No I am not a former Anglican. If I am a “former” anything it would be pseudo-pentecostal.

As for the Book of Common Prayer, I personally don’t feel I have to pray what everyone else is praying to please the Lord. I go to Mass and pray the rosary and other prayers that I hope please the Lord. The Book of Common Prayer though not “approved” is actually approved in a roundabout way in that some Anglican communities coming over to Rome are permitted to use it as long as the Calvinist trappings are omitted (39 Articles and such). I see no problem with it. It’s a beautiful piece of prayer devotion and a timeless piece of literature in itself.

To each their own. As I stated earlier, I find it powerful to know that I am praying the same thing that many many others are praying but then I also claimed my bias as a vowed religious.

I am bound to pray the Liturgy of the Hours. I could add the BCP but I think that would be redundant.

I do have the Order of Compline from the BCP that I am considering using before bed as my breviary stays in the chapel in my choir stall (if it doesn’t then I would forget to bring it to prayer on occasion).

I really have nothing against people praying how they want, I was just expressing my opinion on the matter as I would if someone asked me personally but I think if they did so my bias might be more evidenced by my wearing a habit.

 

[Alexander_Roman]

I realized this but I guess my reply wasn’t all that helpful.

No I am not a former Anglican. If I am a “former” anything it would be pseudo-pentecostal.

To each their own. As I stated earlier, I find it powerful to know that I am praying the same thing that many many others are praying but then I also claimed my bias as a vowed religious.

I am bound to pray the Liturgy of the Hours. I could add the BCP but I think that would be redundant.

I do have the Order of Compline from the BCP that I am considering using before bed as my breviary stays in the chapel in my choir stall (if it doesn’t then I would forget to bring it to prayer on occasion).

I really have nothing against people praying how they want, I was just expressing my opinion on the matter as I would if someone asked me personally but I think if they did so my bias might be more evidenced by my wearing a habit.

You should use the Carmelite Rite!

Alex

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

You should use the Carmelite Rite!

Alex

I do not know what the Carmelite Rite is like with the Liturgy of the Hours. We have a Companion to the Liturgy of the Hours that we use that contains our saints according to our Liturgical Calendar.

 

[BrushedByAngels]

There are today groups of Orthodox and Roman Catholics who follow the Anglican traditions who use the BCP in their daily devotions.

Judging the “remakes” of the BCP by both Orthodox and RC editions, Morning and Evening Prayer are OK as they are.

Alex

I got the old BCP out last night (had to dust it off its old been in my family long time) and I read the 1979 version of EP. I really liked it. I think I’ll make it an evening devotion.

 

[ProVobis]

I’ve heard that lots of the collects are translations of older Sarum Rite prayers.

The Sarum Rite in Latin appears to still be around and it looks very beautiful.

allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Ordo%20Missae%20Sarum.pdf

Incidentally Cranmer, whose translations of the Roman Rite were formed into the Book of Common Prayer (two versions), was burned for being a heretic.

And if there is any doubt as to its validity, Quo Primum abolished all rites created after 1370 AD.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I bet ole Thomas Cranmer never thought that over 500 years later a buncha Catholics would be using his beloved book as a devotion! I love the BOCP. Ole Calvinist Cranmer didn’t realize how Catholic some of his devotions were!

I got the old BCP out last night (had to dust it off its old been in my family long time) and I read the 1979 version of EP. I really liked it. I think I’ll make it an evening devotion.

 

[BrushedByAngels]

I bet ole Thomas Cranmer never thought that over 500 years later a buncha Catholics would be using his beloved book as a devotion! I love the BOCP. Ole Calvinist Cranmer didn’t realize how Catholic some of his devotions were!

Yeah right, I know it. …and where they leave a spot for readings, I just used the RC daily readings for the day. I didn’t realize how much I liked that good old BCP