Book of Mormon Evidences

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Hi everyone. How do you, as a Catholic, respond to evidences that the Book of Mormon is true such as those listed in the website:

http://www.mormonevidence.com


Any help you all will provide would be greatly appreciated.
 
the Book of Mormon reads: 10 And behold, he shall be aborn of Mary, at Jerusalem (Alma 7:10)

“Ephrata”… Another name of Bethlehem.
Genesis 35 16 And going forth from thence, he came in the springtime to the land which leadeth to Ephrata: wherein when Rachel was in travail

Ruth 4:11
11 Then all the people that were in the gate, and the ancients answered: We are witnesses: The Lord make this woman who cometh into thy house, like Rachel, and Lia, who built up the house of Israel: that she may be an example of virtue in Ephrata, and may have a famous name in Bethlehem

11 “Ephrata”… Another name of Bethlehem.
1011 and 931 B.C.

The name Bethlehem comes from the Arabic word Beit Lahm which means the House of Meat

The town of Beit Jala, 2 km west of Bethlehem is an old Canaanite city whose name in Aramaic means “grass carpet”

2 km east of Bethlehem. Beit Sahour dates its origins back to the Bronze age (3000 B.C.).
bethlehemfoundation.org/Bethlehem%20Foundation%20Bethlehem.htm
  • The Book of Ruth is the story of how Ruth became an ancestor of The Savior. It accounts for how Bethlehem came to be known as “The City of David” and why Jesus Christ was born there - exactly as written in Bible Prophecy.
David was born about 1040 B.C., the eighth and youngest son of Jesse of Bethlehem

Many years before, God had prepared Joseph, a shepherd boy, for a special work in connection with His chosen people, and now He had selected David, another shepherd boy, to rule over them.
wogim.org/davidsto.htm
 
I don’t have a clue why anyone would waste their time debunking such a ludicrous religion. It’s like debating a flat-earther! As soon as mormons put on the magic underpants, they should realize their religion is a joke.
 
I don’t have a clue why anyone would waste their time debunking such a ludicrous religion. It’s like debating a flat-earther! As soon as mormons put on the magic underpants, they should realize their religion is a joke.
Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response sometimes seen in an abducted hostage, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
 
Coins of the Bible are a standard exhibit at museums and showcases of Biblical archaeology. How many books on the subject have pictures of them?

But not a single coin mentioned in the Book for Morons has been found yet. Why?
 
Hi everyone. How do you, as a Catholic, respond to evidences that the Book of Mormon is true such as those listed in the website:

http://www.mormonevidence.com


Any help you all will provide would be greatly appreciated.
There is actually a lot of evidence for the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon says there were people in the Americas before the time of Christ. We are now absolutely sure there were people in the Americas before the time of Christ. The Book of Mormon talks of big temples and other buildings. We now know there were temples and other buildings in the Americas anciently. The Book of Mormon says that earthquakes occurred in the Americas in Book of Mormon times. There is archaeological evidence for that. I’m only scratching the surface, but it seems like that should be enough to begin with.
 
Bart,
That’s not evidence for the Book of Mormon. All of those things were known at the time Joseph, Sydney and Oliver wrote the BoM, so they incorporated them into the book.

God love you,
Paul
 
Bart,
That’s not evidence for the Book of Mormon. All of those things were known at the time Joseph, Sydney and Oliver wrote the BoM, so they incorporated them into the book.

God love you,
Paul
I should have made it completely clear I was being sarcastic …
 
Hi everyone. How do you, as a Catholic, respond to evidences that the Book of Mormon is true such as those listed in the website:

http://www.mormonevidence.com


Any help you all will provide would be greatly appreciated.
The evidence isn’t evidence at all. Just grasping at straws to ‘prove’ the tenuous plausiblity of the BOM. If there is any real, concrete archaeological or anthropological evidence of the authenticity of the BOM, or to back up these claims, why are there no papers discussing it in reputable, scientific journals? At the very least, ‘The Smithsonian’ would run a story on it. Yet, surprise, surprise, it hasn’t it.

The truth is that, despite the claims of the Jeff Lindsays in the world, there is no evidence that the BOM is anything but a work of fiction concocted by a lecherous huckster, and charlatan. None, zip, zero, nada. No evidence of two battles at Mount Cumorah. No traces of any metalurgical technology required to make the swords and armout described in the Book of Mormon. No traces of modern horses in the Americas prior to the advent of the Conquistadors.
 
Coins of the Bible are a standard exhibit at museums and showcases of Biblical archaeology. How many books on the subject have pictures of them?

But not a single coin mentioned in the Book for Morons has been found yet. Why?
Lets look at it this way: The bible’s geography does have claim in the bible. However, there is no proof that christ is the christ outside the bible. I see no other proof from that time that validates Christ’s story. The archeaological evidence does not validate the bible story. It only situates the story correctly.

The book of mormon however does have 11 witnesses who never denied their testimony of seeing the gold plates regardless if they left the lds church or stayed.

To find conclusive evidence of the book of mormon would validate the entire notion that there is a god. I don’t believe that god works in such a fashion. God works through faith and not proof. Likwise, since we have no testimony outside the bible that christ did perform the miracles or that such stories actually happened, it also takes faith that the bible is actual history.
 
Lets look at it this way: The bible’s geography does have claim in the bible. However, there is no proof that christ is the christ outside the bible. I see no other proof from that time that validates Christ’s story. The archeaological evidence does not validate the bible story. It only situates the story correctly.

The book of mormon however does have 11 witnesses who never denied their testimony of seeing the gold plates regardless if they left the lds church or stayed.

To find conclusive evidence of the book of mormon would validate the entire notion that there is a god. I don’t believe that god works in such a fashion. God works through faith and not proof. Likwise, since we have no testimony outside the bible that christ did perform the miracles or that such stories actually happened, it also takes faith that the bible is actual history.
i can see your point (sort of) but your premise is a bit flawed. there is lots of extra-biblical evidence that shows that the followers of Christ stood up to torture and death before they would recant. also, many historians of the time talked about the beliefs of the Christians and none of them refuted the historical accounts. so to say that there is more “outside” evidence for the BOM is actually flawed, there is much more “outside” evidence for the biblical events.
 
i can see your point (sort of) but your premise is a bit flawed. there is lots of extra-biblical evidence that shows that the followers of Christ stood up to torture and death before they would recant. also, many historians of the time talked about the beliefs of the Christians and none of them refuted the historical accounts. so to say that there is more “outside” evidence for the BOM is actually flawed, there is much more “outside” evidence for the biblical events.
Yes, there were christians but they were classified as belonging to a cult. Certainly, the Romans were not accepting of the christian beliefs regardless of the miracles that christ produced. Lets put it this way: If christ were the christ, the romans could have sent a researcher to the area and found witnesses to the events and documented such evidences and witnesses. None happened to my knowledge.

Now what we do have are the gospels. And in my opinion people (evangelists) would have remembered the events as they took place. And perhaps the early believers had heard more first hand accounts. But documentation of the truthfulness is not to be found. It still takes faith to believe in the bible as it does in the book of mormon.
 
why me;2850610]Lets look at it this way: The bible’s geography does have claim in the bible. However, there is no proof that christ is the christ outside the bible. I see no other proof from that time that validates Christ’s story. The archeaological evidence does not validate the bible story. It only situates the story correctly.
You are so wrong, it’s not even funny. Read Dr. Werner Keller’s ‘The Bible as History’.
The book of mormon however does have 11 witnesses who never denied their testimony of seeing the gold plates regardless if they left the lds church or stayed.
The so-called witnesses never saw the plates, except one who claimed he saw it in his mind. They were permitted to hold the ‘plates’ while they were covered in cloth. The ‘witnesses’ weren’t witnesses, just willing dupes of a monstrous fraud.
To find conclusive evidence of the book of mormon would validate the entire notion that there is a god. I don’t believe that god works in such a fashion. God works through faith and not proof. Likwise, since we have no testimony outside the bible that christ did perform the miracles or that such stories actually happened, it also takes faith that the bible is actual history
However, if any of the claims in the BOM were true, there would be some evidence, anthropological or otherwise, as there is for the Bible. Even though faith is required of us, God does not set us up to have to chose between Him and reason, or natural law.
 
Yes, there were christians but they were classified as belonging to a cult. Certainly, the Romans were not accepting of the christian beliefs regardless of the miracles that christ produced. Lets put it this way: If christ were the christ, the romans could have sent a researcher to the area and found witnesses to the events and documented such evidences and witnesses. None happened to my knowledge.

Now what we do have are the gospels. And in my opinion people (evangelists) would have remembered the events as they took place. And perhaps the early believers had heard more first hand accounts. But documentation of the truthfulness is not to be found. It still takes faith to believe in the bible as it does in the book of mormon.
again, you are close to being right but not quite there. there are many historical accounts of the miracles of Jesus by non-Christian sources (Josephus being the most widely known probably). they spell out what the followers of Jesus as well as eye-witnesses say happened. the romans didn’t care what went on in the tiny province of Judea as long as there was order. so they wouldn’t send people to investigate miracles, only uprisings. true historians of the age (which Luke is considered a superb historian by most today) wrote about many accounts of the miracles of Jesus and His resurrection. we know that there were many (much more that 11) eye-witnesses to His miracles, resurrection, and ascension. there were also eye-witnesses to the miracles performed by the apostles as well. these are recorded in secular history. plus, we have actual copies of the original documents that make up the bible. many more than any other ancient writing. we have 0 copies of the original documents of the BOM. we have the word of a few men (with questionable reputations), no archeological evidence of the things in the BOM, and direct conflict with what the bible teaches about the nature of God. you are right in that it does take faith though… on that we agree.
 
again, you are close to being right but not quite there. there are many historical accounts of the miracles of Jesus by non-Christian sources (Josephus being the most widely known probably). they spell out what the followers of Jesus as well as eye-witnesses say happened. the romans didn’t care what went on in the tiny province of Judea as long as there was order. so they wouldn’t send people to investigate miracles, only uprisings. true historians of the age (which Luke is considered a superb historian by most today) wrote about many accounts of the miracles of Jesus and His resurrection. we know that there were many (much more that 11) eye-witnesses to His miracles, resurrection, and ascension. there were also eye-witnesses to the miracles performed by the apostles as well. these are recorded in secular history. plus, we have actual copies of the original documents that make up the bible. many more than any other ancient writing. we have 0 copies of the original documents of the BOM. we have the word of a few men (with questionable reputations), no archeological evidence of the things in the BOM, and direct conflict with what the bible teaches about the nature of God. you are right in that it does take faith though… on that we agree.
I suggest that you look at the Jeff Lindsay website. Plus, I am not sure that Josephus put such a thing in his book. I know that the crucifixtion is implied but proofs that christ is the christ are not to my knowledge. Such conclusive proof would destroy the basic nature of faith.
 
However, there is no proof that christ is the christ outside the bible.
From Proving Inspiration,
An Accurate Text

Sir Frederic Kenyon, in The Story of the Bible, notes that “For all the works of classical antiquity we have to depend on manuscripts written long after their original composition. The author who is the best case in this respect is Virgil, yet the earliest manuscript of Virgil that we now possess was written some 350 years after his death. For all other classical writers, the interval between the date of the author and the earliest extant manuscript of his works is much greater. For Livy it is about 500 years, for Horace 900, for most of Plato 1,300, for Euripides 1,600.” Yet no one seriously disputes that we have accurate copies of the works of these writers. However, in the case of the New Testament we have parts of manuscripts dating from the first and early second centuries, only a few decades after the works were penned.

Not only are the biblical manuscripts that we have older than those for classical authors, we have in sheer numbers far more manuscripts from which to work. Some are whole books of the Bible, others fragments of just a few words, but there are literally thousands of manuscripts in Hebrew, Greek, Latin, Coptic, Syriac, and other languages. This means that we can be sure we have an authentic text, and we can work from it with confidence.

The Bible as Historical Truth

Next we take a look at what the Bible, considered merely as a history, tells us, focusing particularly on the New Testament, and more specifically the Gospels. We examine the account contained therein of Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection.

Using what is in the Gospels themselves and what we find in extra-biblical writings from the early centuries, together with what we know of human nature (and what we can otherwise, from natural reason alone, know of divine nature), we conclude that either Jesus was just what he claimed to be—God—or he was crazy. (The one thing we know he could not have been was merely a good man who was not God, since no merely good man would make the claims he made.)

We are able to eliminate the possibility of his being a madman not just from what he said but from what his followers did after his death. Many critics of the Gospel accounts of the resurrection claim that Christ did not truly rise, that his followers took his body from the tomb and then proclaimed him risen from the dead. According to these critics, the resurrection was nothing more than a hoax. Devising a hoax to glorify a friend and mentor is one thing, but you do not find people dying for a hoax, at least not one from which they derive no benefit. Certainly if Christ had not risen his disciples would not have died horrible deaths affirming the reality and truth of the resurrection. The result of this line of reasoning is that we must conclude that Jesus indeed rose from the dead. Consequently, his claims concerning himself—including his claim to be God—have credibility. He meant what he said and did what he said he would do.

Further, Christ said he would found a Church. Both the Bible (still taken as *merely a historical *book, not yet as an inspired one) and other ancient works attest to the fact that Christ established a Church with the rudiments of what we see in the Catholic Church today—papacy, hierarchy, priesthood, sacraments, and teaching authority.

We have thus taken the material and purely historically concluded that Jesus founded the Catholic Church. Because of his Resurrection we have reason to take seriously his claims concerning the Church, including its authority to teach in his name.

This Catholic Church tells us the Bible is inspired, and we can take the Church’s word for it precisely because the Church is infallible. Only after having been told by a properly constituted authority—that is, one established by God to assure us of the truth concerning matters of faith—that the Bible is inspired can we reasonably begin to use it as an inspired book.



The advantages of the Catholic approach are two: First, the inspiration is really proved, not just “felt.” Second, the main fact behind the proof—the reality of an infallible, teaching Church—leads one naturally to an answer to the problem that troubled the Ethiopian eunuch (Acts 8:30-31): How is one to know which interpretations are correct? The same Church that authenticates the Bible, that attests to its inspiration, is the authority established by Christ to interpret his word.
 
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