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Is there ANY reason why a Catholic could not believe that the Book of Mormon was non-fiction? I don’t know if there are any “Mormon” teachings in it. It does not sound out of character to have had someone be called to take writings to the Americas. It does not sound out of character to have Christ visit other “sheep” after his resurrection. Thus, I am ONLY asking if believing that the Book of Mormon is possibly “historical writings” is OK…not against Catholic Church teachings. I am a practicing Roman Catholic and have absolutely no intentions of becoming Mormon. Half my family is Mormon and I am trying to understand them best I can. I don’t believe in a Great Apostasy occurring following the death of the disciples and thus, don’t believe that Joseph Smith was handed the Keys. However, I am not sure I have to believe that to think the Book of Mormon might be non-fiction…Thank you for your time.
 
Is there ANY reason why a Catholic could not believe that the Book of Mormon was non-fiction? I don’t know if there are any “Mormon” teachings in it. It does not sound out of character to have had someone be called to take writings to the Americas. It does not sound out of character to have Christ visit other “sheep” after his resurrection. Thus, I am ONLY asking if believing that the Book of Mormon is possibly “historical writings” is OK…not against Catholic Church teachings. I am a practicing Roman Catholic and have absolutely no intentions of becoming Mormon. Half my family is Mormon and I am trying to understand them best I can. I don’t believe in a Great Apostasy occurring following the death of the disciples and thus, don’t believe that Joseph Smith was handed the Keys. However, I am not sure I have to believe that to think the Book of Mormon might be non-fiction…Thank you for your time.
I commend you for your efforts to understand your family better. This question might be better suited for the “Ask An Apologist” forum since they seem to know really well what is expected of Catholics. Good luck.
 
Is there ANY reason why a Catholic could not believe that the Book of Mormon was non-fiction? I don’t know if there are any “Mormon” teachings in it. It does not sound out of character to have had someone be called to take writings to the Americas. It does not sound out of character to have Christ visit other “sheep” after his resurrection. Thus, I am ONLY asking if believing that the Book of Mormon is possibly “historical writings” is OK…not against Catholic Church teachings. I am a practicing Roman Catholic and have absolutely no intentions of becoming Mormon. Half my family is Mormon and I am trying to understand them best I can. I don’t believe in a Great Apostasy occurring following the death of the disciples and thus, don’t believe that Joseph Smith was handed the Keys. However, I am not sure I have to believe that to think the Book of Mormon might be non-fiction…Thank you for your time.
**Jesus did not go to America Or any other land after his Resurrection. He was with his apostles until his Ascension into Heaven 40 days AFTER his Resurrection. ** Joseph Smith claimed to have received golden plates from an Angel named Moroni (from which he got the BoM I believe). Then the plates mysteriously disappeared after being translated…a tad suspicious if you ask me.
 
I commend you for your efforts to understand your family better. This question might be better suited for the “Ask An Apologist” forum since they seem to know really well what is expected of Catholics. Good luck.
I’ll second this :thumbs: May God be with you on your search, Mary.
 
Is there ANY reason why a Catholic could not believe that the Book of Mormon was non-fiction? I don’t know if there are any “Mormon” teachings in it. It does not sound out of character to have had someone be called to take writings to the Americas. It does not sound out of character to have Christ visit other “sheep” after his resurrection. Thus, I am ONLY asking if believing that the Book of Mormon is possibly “historical writings” is OK…not against Catholic Church teachings. I am a practicing Roman Catholic and have absolutely no intentions of becoming Mormon. Half my family is Mormon and I am trying to understand them best I can. I don’t believe in a Great Apostasy occurring following the death of the disciples and thus, don’t believe that Joseph Smith was handed the Keys. However, I am not sure I have to believe that to think the Book of Mormon might be non-fiction…Thank you for your time.
Hello MaryDawn,
I used to be Catholic and then converted to LDS for a few years. Now I'm not either one. Whoever wrote the BOM believed that babies or children shouldn't be baptized and Catholics baptize babies so that would be against Catholic teachings. He also condemned priestcraft which he defined as "for, behold priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the world; but they seek not the welfare of Zion. Since Catholics believe the pope is special that would also be against catholic teachings.
 
Because there is ZERO, absolutely ZERO, objective evidence that ANYTHING in the BOM actually happened.

If someone argues that Jesus COULD HAVE come to America to spread the Gospels to the American Indians…I can’t argue against that. The American Indians had virtually no written language so there wouldn’t be much in the way of written documentation. However there was a rich verbal tradition, and there is no verbal tradition that follows what Smith says happened.

But the beginnings of mormonism is far beyond that. Smith offered specifics that are simply not true. No golden templates, no evidence of battles, etc.

And look at the actual teachings of the mormon church, it is completely contradictory to what the Christian God, and Jesus himself, taught. Marriage is between one man and one woman, there is ONE universe created by God the father, the unity of the trinity, etc.

Mormonism teaches marriage is…well…though this has changed (and God/Jesus has not) the early mormon church was based on Smith’s polyamorous/polygamy. Mormonism teaches that we can all become gods and get our own universe (and somehow therefore Jesus and satan are brothers striving for their own universes to be god of), and they do not believe in the UNITY of the trinity.

So yes, there are many reasons why a Catholic could NOT believe that the BOM is non-fiction (ie: removing the double negatives, the BOM is fiction).

All that being said, every single mormon that I have had the privilege of knowing has been a hard working, God fearing, honest, respectful, and awesome human being.
 
All the reason in the world to disbelieve BOM. Rip off of the James versions,plus little bits and pieces of other writings available at time to the American people Like to use some of E.T.A.Hoffmann fantastical tales in his other document ,especially the gold plates. I believe the story he used was the Golden Pot. His neighborhood contain plenty of people who ,personally liked Smith , but thought he was a con .He was involved in folk magic , the seer stone being part of that tradition. His father was a blowhard story teller always talking about goodies hidden in Cumorah…this with his phoney translation of an Egyptian scroll should be enough to prove no historians in BOM. Smith was naturally intelligent ,glib ,charismatic and a complete narcissist.
 
Is there ANY reason why a Catholic could not believe that the Book of Mormon was non-fiction? I don’t know if there are any “Mormon” teachings in it. It does not sound out of character to have had someone be called to take writings to the Americas. It does not sound out of character to have Christ visit other “sheep” after his resurrection. Thus, I am ONLY asking if believing that the Book of Mormon is possibly “historical writings” is OK…not against Catholic Church teachings. I am a practicing Roman Catholic and have absolutely no intentions of becoming Mormon. Half my family is Mormon and I am trying to understand them best I can. I don’t believe in a Great Apostasy occurring following the death of the disciples and thus, don’t believe that Joseph Smith was handed the Keys. However, I am not sure I have to believe that to think the Book of Mormon might be non-fiction…Thank you for your time.
Mormonism teaches of a cycle of apostasy and restoration. Each “up” cycle they call a dispensation. The Book of Mormon reflects this teaching, starting with the opening characters who leave Jerusalem because they are warned of an apostasy that is about to happen. The rest of the Book of Mormon is a “historic” account of multiple dispensations.

Mormonism teaches that Judaism fell into apostasy. They teach the Christianity fell into apostasy.

This is all contrary to Catholic teaching, which is of a continuity of God revealing Himself, more and more, under the old covenant, until He is fully revealed in the Revelation of Jesus, who is God’s new covenant. Catholic teaching is that Jesus is God’s word, fully revealed.

Mormonism teaches contrary to this, believing that the new and everlasting covenant is their temple marriage ritual. Teaching that Jesus is not God’s full Word, and they look for novelties that they call revelation, and which requires old covenant style prophets. This view is found throughout the Book of Mormon.

Those are just a few of the historic problems with the Book of Mormon. Other, less theological problems abound, from horses in the Americas, to steel weaponry. There are many out of place/time objects and ideas, that did not exist in pre-Colombian Americas.

There have been a couple of people here, in the past, who were a syncretic mix of Catholic and Mormon, bragging how they believed in the Book of Mormon and would receive communion at mass. The Catholic Church is clear on syncretic beliefs and practices, that they are not the faith, handed on, once for all.

It would be a question for your priest, as to whether or not a Catholic who believes in the Book of Mormon, should receive communion.
 
In addition 🙂 Mormonism filters the teachings of the Bible through the Book of Mormon. In regards to this, Pope Benedict taught:
When considering the Bible in relation to the sacred texts of other religions, due care is required so as not to fall prey to syncretism, superficial approaches or a distortion of the truth, because of various conceptions about the inspiration of such sacred texts. Particular attention is given to the many sects at work in different continents, who take up the Bible in an improper manner and apply methods at odds with the Church.
vatican.va/roman_curia/synod/documents/rc_synod_doc_20080511_instrlabor-xii-assembly_en.html

I understand the desire to find commonality with Mormon family. Almost my entire family are Mormons, and I’ve spent a lot of time and effort to try and maintain commonality with them. But religious commonality, has few touch points. The two religions are miles apart, approach scripture in very different ways, and have a very different understanding of God’s work among us. The Book of Mormon is not accepted by the Catholic Church, in any way. Not historically, theologically or ecumenically.
 
The Book of Mormon was written on gold plates. That was the original story. As the estimated weight of the gold became problematic, it was changed to “golden”, implying that Smith could have hefted and ran with them as he claimed.

Like certain other supposedly unique beliefs of Mormonism, gold plates are unoriginal. To support the claim that gold plates could exist, Mormons refer to the gold and silver plates of Cyrus, and other writings (not national histories) on metal. But that doesn’t quite correlate since Mormons decided their plates were neither silver nor gold, but “goldEN.” Although Smith hardly could have known of Cyrus’ plates, still he wasn’t original. Having entered freemasonry and encouraged others to do so, it is possible (I don’t know how probable) that he heard about the plates of Enoch - the gold plates of Enoch. Gold, not golden, as early descriptions of Smith’s plates were likewise gold not golden.

The more the story unraveled, the more digging Mormons needed in order to prove not that the Book of Mormon story is real, but that it *could *be real. (e.g., jefflindsay.com/bme10.shtml) I find that curious, having been told so many times that God wants us to prove we can believe in the Mormonism “through faith” rather than “proofs.” If that is so, why bother trying to prove that the Book of Mormon even just *might *be true? That contradiction weakens their argument.

For information on freemasonry’s Enoch: masonicdictionary.com/enoch.html Like Smith’s plates, Enoch’s were gold. Enoch also had a brass pillar as well as a marble one on which was inscribed in *“hieroglyphics” *the creation and beginning of the world. This reminds us of Laban’s brass plates on which were the writings of Moses and Jewish genealogies, and of the Book of Mormon being written in an unrecognizable “reformed Egyptian”. (Unrecognizable as Egyptian, judging from the Anthon Transcript.)

These are the brass plates for which God allegedly told Nephi to murder an unconscious drunk saying in a diabolical echo of Caiaphas’ excuse for killing Jesus Christ, “It is better that one man should perish than that a nation should dwindle and perish in unbelief.” (1 Nephi 4:13 and John 11:49-50) I say “God allegedly” because the Book of Mormon says only that it was a “spirit” that told Nephi to kill the man; and Nephi tragically never verified who the spirit was! It sounds more in keeping with the spirit of Caiaphas to me, than in keeping with the spirit of God.

If God could reveal lengthy parts of Isaiah to Nephi, could he not have also re-revealed what was on the brass plates? Of course He could! Mormons say, “the plates weren’t big enough.” I say, Well, then, make more or write smaller! Or just write what was important. For example, Omni wrote, “Behold, it came to pass that I, Omni, being commanded by my father, Jarom, that I should write somewhat upon these plates, to preserve our genealogy,” then proceeds to write *nothing *about genealogy! - only of generic peace and war and he’s a wicked man. Mormons describe the writers of the Book of Mormon as prophets and holy men; I’ve never heard one describe the writers as “wicked” even though that is probably the main point that Omni makes in his futile, painstaking effort to engrave his paltry, uninspiring lines that no one can read anyway.

Where Enoch places his gold plates is a near twin (minus the ring) (or not too distant cousin) of where Smith claims he found his gold/golden plates. Enoch visited his buried plates once a year; so did Smith visit his once a year.

There are more similarities between the Enoch story and Smith’s story. I do not know if Smith actually knew all the freemasonry details. That there is a cave or cavern in both, for example, is not evidence that Smith took from the Enoch story, because caves and caverns are not uncommon, and it is reasonable to imagine something hidden in one for hundreds of years.

Parallels of history do exist. The similarities between the alleged work of Enoch and others, with the alleged findings of Joseph Smith are more than what one normally expects, unless the latter has consciously borrowed from the former.

One might ask, “Is it really better that one man should perish, rather than that a nation dwindle in unbelief?” I believe that is not the proper question to ask. The proper question is, “Is God so base that the only way He can preserve knowledge about Himself, is to have someone murder another person, and steal their things?” My answer to that, unsurprisingly, is no. He isn’t that unimaginative. He is always able to reveal truth, or to remind us of truth, or to wait for us to realize something, or to send a person who can renew our understanding. He doesn’t have to kill anybody to get that done.

As far as the content of the Book of Mormon is concerned, could it be genuine history? From what is currently published on the archaeology, demographics, culture, and history of the inhabitants of North, Central, and South America, there is as much chance that the Book of Mormon is genuine history as there is that Edgar Rice Burroughs’ “John Carter of Mars” series is an actual history of events on Mars. Burroughs mentions the moons of Mars, the canals, the deserts, describes the atmosphere, cities, various races, strange animals (no curelom or cumom though) transportation, and wars. We have only just begun to explore Mars from a distance. Once we get archaeologists there, I’m certain they will find evidence that vindicate Burroughs “Book of Mars: Another Testament of John Carter.”
 
Thus, I am ONLY asking if believing that the Book of Mormon is possibly “historical writings” is OK…not against Catholic Church teachings.
Ex-Mormon here. It goes against common sense more than anything.

There isn’t a shred of archaeological evidence to support the huge civilizations and millions of people talked about in the Book of Mormon. The LDS church itself started sponsoring archaeological digs more than 50 years ago and has still come up empty. We’re talking huge civilizations described that existed up until around 400AD, and yet we have no evidence of bones, or swords (using metallurgy that wasn’t invented yet - the Book of Mormon is full of anachronisms), or giant cities like Zarahemla.

Mormons historically believed that the “principal ancestors” of the Native Americans were Jewish settlers who sailed here from Israel around 600BC. DNA evidence in Native Americans does not support that timeline. Between the separation of the Bering land bridge more than ten thousand years ago and post-Columbian contact, there were no Jews visiting America. Mormons have since had to water this down to “among the ancestors” of Native Americans, which is still being disingenuous.

Every objective indicator of Joseph Smith’s “translating” abilities indicates he was full of ****. His “charactors” document is nonsense. The “translation” of the Book of Abraham was described by an Egyptologist as an “impudent fraud” more than a century ago, and every piece of evidence on both the funerary scrolls that Smith contrived the book from and Egyptian studies continue to prove he was full of baloney. The Kinderhook Plates continue in the objective affirmation that Smith was indeed an “impudent fraud.” I’m sure that if there were any objective evidence of golden plates - which there aren’t, because they didn’t exist, just like the civilizations described in the Book of Mormon - we’d see that Smith didn’t translate those, either.

There’s a saying about Mormonism that you sort of have to embrace being around them as a Christian: “What’s good about Mormonism isn’t unique, and what’s unique about Mormonism isn’t good.” Mormons as people tend to be wholesome and decent. Mormonism as theology is utter rubbish.
 
Wiki:
During the early 1980s, rumors circulated in Mormon culture that the Book of Mormon was being used by the Smithsonian to guide primary archaeological research. These rumors were brought to the attention of Smithsonian directors who, by 1982, sent a form letter to inquiring parties stating that the Smithsonian did not use the Book of Mormon to guide any research, and included a list of specific reasons Smithsonian archaeologists considered the Book of Mormon historically unlikely.
 
Okay so being an American Indian my biggest problem with the Book of Mormon and Mormonism in general it’s because of the Mormon beliefs that dark-skinned people are cursed by God. Now it is true that I am not as dark as our ancestors but I’m also not full-blooded so that’s to be expected. We didn’t become lighter colored because we became for men. Now with regards to the historicity of the Book of Mormon there isn’t any one would think a huge ancient battle in the time before Christ would have plenty of archaeological evidence but there is none
 
Okay so being an American Indian my biggest problem with the Book of Mormon and Mormonism in general it’s because of the Mormon beliefs that dark-skinned people are cursed by God.
Yep! Even though they’ve pseudo-retracted parts of that “doctrine”, they still teach that Native Americans are the result of the sinful and rebellious line of Laman.

I’d say you couldn’t make this stuff up - except someone did 😃
 
Hi MaryDawn. You ask some interesting questions. I’ll try my best to answer as someone who used to be Mormon.
Is there ANY reason why a Catholic could not believe that the Book of Mormon was non-fiction?
People believe things because they are somehow convinced that they are true, and disbelieve either because they aren’t convinced or are convinced against a certain proposition. Thus a Catholic might not believe the Book of Mormon is true for the same reasons a non-Catholic might reject its truth, i.e. lack of historical evidence, historical evidence that contradicts the accounts in the Book of Mormon, unpersuasive philosophical or theological views.

There are additional reasons specific to Catholics that would rule out belief in the truth of the Book of Mormon. Some of those reasons have already been pointed out here, others include the fact that it acts as the basis for an entire religion that contradicts the claims of the Catholic Church. In other words, if the Book of Mormon is true, then Joseph Smith was indeed a prophet and there really was an apostasy.
 
Hello MaryDawn,
In 3rd Nephi 27 the BOM goes into detail about what the church should be named which is the "Church of Christ". That isn't the name of the Catholic church. If you continue reading that chapter it defines what the gospel is. It doesn't mention a need for leaders to have any special powers to do what regular people can't. Since it's Catholic doctrine that there is a need for priests to do this and that this would be another contradiction.
 
Is there ANY reason why a Catholic could not believe that the Book of Mormon was non-fiction? I don’t know if there are any “Mormon” teachings in it. It does not sound out of character to have had someone be called to take writings to the Americas. It does not sound out of character to have Christ visit other “sheep” after his resurrection. Thus, I am ONLY asking if believing that the Book of Mormon is possibly “historical writings” is OK…not against Catholic Church teachings. I am a practicing Roman Catholic and have absolutely no intentions of becoming Mormon. Half my family is Mormon and I am trying to understand them best I can. I don’t believe in a Great Apostasy occurring following the death of the disciples and thus, don’t believe that Joseph Smith was handed the Keys. However, I am not sure I have to believe that to think the Book of Mormon might be non-fiction…Thank you for your time.
But we know Christ never came to the Americas. No one was called at the time of Christ to bring writings to the America. The truth is the BoM is not a historical text, it is a work of fiction. There are several verses in the bible about this very thing, false prophets and all. I’m in a bit of hurry this morning so I can’t look them up right now. I may be able to this afternoon.
 
Is there ANY reason why a Catholic could not believe that the Book of Mormon was non-fiction? .
**The truth is the truth even if no one believes it, and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. **

Ven. Fulton Sheen

As Catholics, we are people of Truth, not lies or falsehoods.
 
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