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Peter_Dawson
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Hi, Toby. You do misunderstand.Ok I am getting some questionable items here. Are you trying to tell me that the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary are errors of the Church??? I may have misunderstood??? Arianism is a whole different subject in its own. Arianism is Heresy and it was humans that brought it in and humans that wiped it out. I don’t want to go deep into Arianism in this thread, we would have to open a different thread that could lead to trouble. Again the Church didn’t err, it was error on man. The Church never abandon the concept of the Trinity. We have had some bad Popes no doubt. They erred not the Church. If you want to talk more about Arianism, I suggest that we open another thread. Did you bother reading the article from New Advent I linked for you???
Of course the Immaculate Conception and Assumption are not errors.
But you seem to be missing the point.
I’m not talking about the Immaculate Conception.
I’m not talking about the Assumption.
I’m not talking about Arianism.
I’m talking about your statement, “The Church does not err; humans err.”
Pope Liberius appears to have approved of one of the Arian formulas for the Trinity, and then he condemned his own teaching, thus seeming to consciously teach, in statement #2, that he taught error, in statement #1.
Athanasius wrote that Liberius erred.
Jerome wrote that Liberius erred.
The Arian Emperor of Rome implied that Liberius backed his position when he boasted, “It’s Athanasius against the world!”
Father Hardon, in his Catechism, is where I learned of this. (I talked to Father Hardon about this back in the 1980s. He said he believed that whatever Inerrancy and Infallibility are, they have to make room for an error by Pope Liberius.)
I wanted to see how you handled this. For instance, would you retreat to the “cheap” position that the only time in its history the Church spoke ***ex cathedra ***is on the Immaculate Conception and on the Assumption?