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This may be the wrong area of the forum to post this in, but can anyone recommend any books that talk about the theology of the eucharist, as in, the metaphysical side of it, the substance and accidence, exactly what kind of transformation that the Catholic Church teaches occurs, and that kind of stuff? Thanks!
 
This may be the wrong area of the forum to post this in, but can anyone recommend any books that talk about the theology of the eucharist, as in, the metaphysical side of it, the substance and accidence, exactly what kind of transformation that the Catholic Church teaches occurs, and that kind of stuff? Thanks!
Doors to the Sacred by Joseph Martos. It actually covers all sacraments so it may be more than you’re looking for. It is an outstanding historical account of the sacraments.
 
Doors to the Sacred by Joseph Martos. It actually covers all sacraments so it may be more than you’re looking for. It is an outstanding historical account of the sacraments.
Thanks!
I’m still open to any more that anyone could suggest.
 
Thanks!
I’m still open to any more that anyone could suggest.
s06,

What, exactly, are you looking for? That might help other suggest things for you.

You note that you are converting: are you converting towards Catholicism or *away *from it?

VC
 
s06,

What, exactly, are you looking for? That might help other suggest things for you.

You not that you are converting: are you converting towards Catholicism or *away *from it?
Are you looking for a book that can help you understand the Catholic teaching?

VC
I’m looking for a book that explains what the church teaches in terms of the nature of what exactly happens during the transformation from bread and wine into the body and blood. And I’m considering converting away from the Catholic Church, but I’m trying not to make a rash or uninformed decision.
 
Thank you for the reply. I thought of two other questions that might help others recommend books for you.

Do you feel you have a strong grasp of the fundamentals of Catholic teaching? How much exposure have you had to metaphysics?

VC
 
Thank you for the reply. I thought of two other questions that might help others recommend books for you.

Do you feel you have a strong grasp of the fundamentals of Catholic teaching? How much exposure have you had to metaphysics?

VC
I feel I have a strong grasp of Catholic teaching, but I could be wrong, as on other threads, people have told me I don’t. And I have had very little exposure to Metaphysics, but I can usually learn stuff pretty quick, as long as the writer is good, and this is something that’s pretty important to me.
 
I feel I have a strong grasp of Catholic teaching, but I could be wrong, as on other threads, people have told me I don’t. And I have had very little exposure to Metaphysics, but I can usually learn stuff pretty quick, as long as the writer is good, and this is something that’s pretty important to me.
From what you’ve shared in this thread, I would reiterate my recommendation for Martos’ book.

Cheers
 
I feel I have a strong grasp of Catholic teaching, but I could be wrong, as on other threads, people have told me I don’t. And I have had very little exposure to Metaphysics, but I can usually learn stuff pretty quick, as long as the writer is good, and this is something that’s pretty important to me.
In that case, I’‘ll give you a personal (note, this is just my *opinion) *recommendation. I don’t recommend Joseph Martos’ Doors to the Sacred. It seems to me that there are some confusing ideas, not necessarily consistent with authentic Catholic teaching or thought. Of course there is some good in it, but I think the questionable material is enough that you should avoid it if you are serious about learning the mind of the Church.

I might suggest Fr. Lovasik’s book The Basic Book of the Eucharist
It is very readable, and relatively short.

A longer, more in depth work is Fr. James T. O’Connor’s book The Hidden Manna: A Theology of the Eucharist.
This one takes much more work, and needs to be read slowly and with attention to detail, but it too is readable and I think very profitable.

VC
 
In that case, I’‘ll give you a personal (note, this is just my *opinion) *recommendation. I don’t recommend Joseph Martos’ Doors to the Sacred. It seems to me that there are some confusing ideas, not necessarily consistent with authentic Catholic teaching or thought. Of course there is some good in it, but I think the questionable material is enough that you should avoid it if you are serious about learning the mind of the Church.

I might suggest Fr. Lovasik’s book The Basic Book of the Eucharist
It is very readable, and relatively short.

A longer, more in depth work is Fr. James T. O’Connor’s book The Hidden Manna: A Theology of the Eucharist.
This one takes much more work, and needs to be read slowly and with attention to detail, but it too is readable and I think very profitable.

VC
I have read Martos’ book numerous times It is completely compatible with Catholic teaching. In fact, the most recent revision was made to incorporate the teachings of the Catechism (the book was originally written in the 1980s, but the most recent edition has been updated to include numerous explicit references to the Catechism).

Fr. Martos frequently teaches and gives workshops for numerous dioceses and parishes. There is no reason to question his or his book’s fidelity to the Catholic faith.

Cheers
 
I have read Martos’ book
As have I. It was one of my textbooks.
numerous times
More than me!
It is completely compatible with Catholic teaching. In fact, the most recent revision was made to incorporate the teachings of the Catechism (the book was originally written in the 1980s, but the most recent edition has been updated to include numerous explicit references to the Catechism).
I cannot speak knowledgeably to the more recent edition as I do not have them. The editions that I am familiar with caused me concern. Perhaps the book has been relieved of the parts which I found troubling. That is possible, but perhaps not actual.
Fr. Martos frequently teaches and gives workshops for numerous dioceses and parishes. There is no reason to question his or his book’s fidelity to the Catholic faith.
That does not follow, does it? His popularity isn’t an indicator of the book’s worth.

I believe there are reasons to have concern.

VC
 
I cannot speak knowledgeably to the more recent edition as I do not have them.
Thanks for being honest.
That does not follow, does it? His popularity isn’t an indicator of the book’s worth.
No, of course not. My point was that he’s not some isolated obscure author/theologian/etc/ He is actively involved and engaged in the real life of the Church. He gets out and talks with “real people” in all kinds of places. I didn’t say he was popular, just that he frequently gives workshops and presentations to multiple Catholic audiences.
I believe there are reasons to have concern.
Fine. No problem. Can you share any specifics? It may or may not be helpful to the OP.

Cheers
 
Can you share any specifics?
I will refer to this thread as some indication.

Fr. John Hardon points out the following:
As we begin our conferences on the seven sacraments, our plan is to introduce each conference with some of the modern misunderstandings on each sacrament. I say misunderstandings. But they could better be called blatant errors that we used to call heresies. What makes these errors so serious is that they are being openly taught and promoted by professedly Catholic writers and speakers.
One prominent writer has some unusual insights in his book, Doors to the Sacred. On the grounds that there has been a development of doctrine in the Catholic Church, he affirms that “the Catholic hierarchy seems to have accepted the notion that Baptism is necessary for joining the Church but it is not necessary for salvation.” He further writes that, “Contemporary theology and religious education texts now speak of Baptism as incorporating a person into the life of Christ which is continued in the Church, and talk about its causing the forgiveness of original sin is slowly disappearing.”
Now, you may take issue with the points raised in the thread or by Fr. Hardon. You may also say that Fr. Martos has revised his book such that there is no need for concern. I however had concern after reading the book. I have concern about the points brought up in the thread. I have concern that Fr. Martos collaborated with Fr. Richard Rohr.

However, if you feel strongly that you wish to “go to bat” for Fr. Martos and his book, perhaps you can start a new thread? This thread doesn’t seem to be the best place for it. You simply recommended a book, and I am simply recommending against it. I do not think Fr. Martos would be beneficial to s06. Do you have no other recommendations?

VC
 
I will refer to this thread as some indication.

Fr. John Hardon points out the following:Now, you may take issue with the points raised in the thread or by Fr. Hardon. You may also say that Fr. Martos has revised his book such that there is no need for concern. I however had concern after reading the book. I have concern about the points brought up in the thread. I have concern that Fr. Martos collaborated with Fr. Richard Rohr.

However, if you feel strongly that you wish to “go to bat” for Fr. Martos and his book, perhaps you can start a new thread? This thread doesn’t seem to be the best place for it. You simply recommended a book, and I am simply recommending against it. I do not think Fr. Martos would be beneficial to s06. Do you have no other recommendations?

VC
I stand by my recommendation of Martos.

Another recommendation: Johannes Emminghaus “The Eucharist”
 
“In the Presence of Our Lord, the History, Theology, and Psychology of Eucharistic Devotion”

by Father Benedict J. Groeschel, C.F.R., and James Monti.

ISBN 0-87973-920-7

Gospel of John, Chapter 6 – read very slowly.
 
s06,

What do you think of the recommendations so far? What are your plans?

VC
 
I think you might find Mark Shea’s book This is My Body interesting and useful. It’s not academic and it was basically written for Protestants interested in Catholic Eucharistic theology but I think you’ll find it well worth your time.

mark-shea.com/books.html
 
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