Book: The Hoax Called Evolution

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I’m not sure what fantasyland you inhabit, but evidently there are no scientists there. Who is the “one person in history who will debunk Darwin’s theories”? How will this person accomplish this? What makes you think scientists “will go into hiding?” Who will they be hiding from – the ignorant drooling crowds armed with torches and pitchforks marching on universities and other institutions of learning?
A SCIENTIFIC DISSENT FROM DARWINISM
“We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.”
This was last publicly updated August 2008. Scientists listed by doctoral degree or current position.

There are even a few Steve’s on the list.😉
 
The facts are these:
  1. The Bible says God made Adam and Eve and all the animals on the 6th day.
  2. The 4th Latern Council says God made them “out of nothing”.
  3. Evolution is just a theory.
Therefore, there is no reason for a Catholic to conclude that God is wrong and the evolutionists are right.
 
Well, my doctoral examination committee disagrees with you, as they awarded me the PhD. degree in history in 1993. What are your qualifications to comment on this issue?

However, as to your other point, evolution has been strengthened cumulatively since 1859, and is now a far stronger explanation of species diversity than it was when Darwin first proposed it in his Origin of Species. You are right to say that we are not apes; Homo sapiens and the apes descend from a common ancestor about five million years ago. 👍

StAnastasia
It will be a tragic disappointment on your behalf the day Darwin is debunked. As I have mentioned earlier, most of your work and meaning of evolution will be thrown out by you’re self.

The idea that a man who is born in 1809, what does he know about creation he was born, is able to convince generations about how creation has been made is flawed beyond scientific logic. Almost mimicking a Hitler like hidden talent for mesmerising and brain washing. Hence why I hint to you when the ideology falls so shall your history and work fade into oblivion.

How can you believe that a human born in 1809 dictate to you how creation started. No man has travelled history.
Going to be a good read.
 
Funny, in all my childhood Catechism classes, I was told that it was perfectly OK for a Catholic to accept the theory of evolution.

If the Pope thinks it’s compatible with Catholic teaching, then what’s the problem? Or is the Pope not a True Catholic ™ ?
 
The idea that a man who is born in 1809, what does he know about creation he was born, is able to convince generations about how creation has been made is flawed beyond scientific logic.
Why do you think the year Darwin was born has anything to do with whether the ideas he discovered and wrote about are true? :confused: You don’t seem to have any problem accepting the ideas of people writing several thousand years B.C.
 
Funny, in all my childhood Catechism classes, I was told that it was perfectly OK for a Catholic to accept the theory of evolution.

If the Pope thinks it’s compatible with Catholic teaching, then what’s the problem? Or is the Pope not a True Catholic ™ ?
Variation within species is OK with Catholic teaching.

No Pope has endorsed macro-evolution.
 
Variation within species is OK with Catholic teaching.

No Pope has endorsed macro-evolution.
There is no such thing as “macro-evolution” or “micro-evolution”. Variation within, and adaptation of, species is evolution.

And Pope John Paul II is on record as saying that evolution is “more than a theory”. Sounds like an endorsement to me. 😉

But even if he didn’t, why should that matter? If something is true, it’s true even if no one on the planet believes in it.
 
It will be a tragic disappointment on your behalf the day Darwin is debunked. As I have mentioned earlier, most of your work and meaning of evolution will be thrown out by you’re self. The idea that a man who is born in 1809, what does he know about creation he was born, is able to convince generations about how creation has been made is flawed beyond scientific logic. Almost mimicking a Hitler like hidden talent for mesmerising and brain washing. Hence why I hint to you when the ideology falls so shall your history and work fade into oblivion. How can you believe that a human born in 1809 dictate to you how creation started. No man has travelled history.
VisionaryOne, I infer from the quality of your writing that you are relatively unacquainted with education beyond the elementary level. That in itself will make constructive dialogue between us challenging. Perhaps we should bid each other adieu at the outset of this conversation.

SAnastasia
 
The clay became man at the moment in which a being for the first time was capable of forming, however dimly, the thought of “God.” The first Thou that – however stammeringly – was said by human lips to God marks the moment in which the spirit arose in the world. Here the Rubicon of anthropogenesis was crossed. For it is not the use of weapons or fire, not new methods of cruelty or of useful activity, that constitute man, but rather his ability to be immediately in relation to God. This holds fast to the doctrine of the special creation of man . . . herein . . . lies the reason why the moment of anthropogenesis cannot possibly be determined by paleontology: anthropogenesis is the rise of the spirit, which cannot be excavated with a shovel. The theory of evolution does not invalidate the faith, nor does it corroborate it. But it does challenge the faith to understand itself more profoundly and thus to help man to understand himself and to become increasingly what he is: the being who is supposed to say Thou to God in eternity.
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– Joseph Ratzinger, in *Creation and Evolution: A Conference With Pope Benedict XVI in Castel Gandolfo*, S.D.S. Stephan Horn (ed)
 
I did not read the book…The Hoax Called Evolution but the book written by
Christoff Cardinal Schonborn…Chance or Purpose. I also read an article in Scientific
American dealing with evolution where they claimed living matter came
from inorganic matter, which I do not believe. I do not believe evolution
as a philosophy of life. My education consists of majors in physics, math,
phulosophy and 80 credits in theology over a period of ten years.
I also taught physics, math, biology, and chemistry over a short period
of time.
God Bless. John Romanoski
 
Funny, in all my childhood Catechism classes, I was told that it was perfectly OK for a Catholic to accept the theory of evolution.

If the Pope thinks it’s compatible with Catholic teaching, then what’s the problem? Or is the Pope not a True Catholic ™ ?
You are absolutely right! Even St. Augustine of Hippo questioned a literal 6-day creation. As did Origen.

Maybe evolution will be discredited. Maybe another theory will take its place. To be clear, a scientific theory is far from a literary theory - fsteiger.com/theory.html. It doesn’t matter what one believes about how God created the earth and its creatures.
 
Why do you think the year Darwin was born has anything to do with whether the ideas he discovered and wrote about are true? :confused: You don’t seem to have any problem accepting the ideas of people writing several thousand years B.C.
The ideas people have written several thousand years ago were for that time only. Darwin suggests his ideas criss cross the whole of human creation. Do you seriously expect me to believe in such a man claiming he has unlocked the secret to the meaning of life.
VisionaryOne, I infer from the quality of your writing that you are relatively unacquainted with education beyond the elementary level. That in itself will make constructive dialogue between us challenging. Perhaps we should bid each other adieu at the outset of this conversation.

SAnastasia
I have seen it all before. People such as you’re self pretending to know it all and frown down upon those that challenge them. If you are unable to debate because your only prove are the words of an atheist then I can concur that you are equally unqualified and gullible in such a matter. My words maybe too strong for you to adjust to but when it comes to understanding I am more open minded then you would have to guess.

Really, a man that has spent most of his time with animals and his beloved monkey more then his wife will surely believe that we descended from monkeys and creatures.
 
I did not read the book…The Hoax Called Evolution but the book written by
Christoff Cardinal Schonborn…Chance or Purpose. I also read an article in Scientific
American dealing with evolution where they claimed living matter came
from inorganic matter, which I do not believe.
I do not believe evolution
as a philosophy of life. My education consists of majors in physics, math,
phulosophy and 80 credits in theology over a period of ten years.
I also taught physics, math, biology, and chemistry over a short period
of time.
God Bless. John Romanoski
Then the article wasn’t about evolution. Interesting that you tried to prove your knowledge in that post with the mention of your background, but got a basic definition of the subject wrong.
 
You are absolutely right! Even St. Augustine of Hippo questioned a literal 6-day creation. As did Origen.

Maybe evolution will be discredited. Maybe another theory will take its place. To be clear, a scientific theory is far from a literary theory - fsteiger.com/theory.html. It doesn’t matter what one believes about how God created the earth and its creatures.
6-day creation is how men understand the meaning of building. What ever God makes it is always out of our time but made in our time for our illogical minds to comprehend and understand.
 
I did not read the book…The Hoax Called Evolution but the book written by Christoff Cardinal Schonborn…Chance or Purpose. I also read an article in Scientific American dealing with evolution where they claimed living matter came
from inorganic matter, which I do not believe. I do not believe evolution as a philosophy of life. My education consists of majors in physics, math, phulosophy and 80 credits in theology over a period of ten years. I also taught physics, math, biology, and chemistry over a short period of time. God Bless. John Romanoski
John, do you not accept Genesis, where the author has God say “Let the earth bring forth living beings”?
 
  1. Even if you prove the theory of evolution is wrong, that doesn’t automatically prove ID is correct.
True, but it automatically proves that evolutionary theory is not an explanation – this gives more room for an alternative like ID.
  1. Even if it’s proven that there is an intelligence behind creation, that doesn’t automatically prove that the intelligence is the Judeo-Christian God.
Exactly right. It’s very much the same as all of St. Thomas Aquinas’ proofs of the existence of God – none of them give proof of the nature of the Blessed Trinity. They’re meant to show the existence of a divine, supreme being.
 
Why not? Because if he tried to debate Francis Collins or Ken Miller …
In terms of evolutionary science, how do these two scientists distinguish between theistic evolution and atheistic evolution? What, precisely, is “theistic” about their version of natural selection operating on mutations? Did God create the mutations? If so, what evidence do they use to show that? If God had nothing to do with evolution, then what does the term “theistic evolution” mean (as opposed to “atheistic evolution”)?
 
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