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I have been steeped in fantastic books many of you in the forum have recommended on my road to Rome. I am a 20+ year Protestant, married to a life-long one. I long to bring her with me, but she has asked that I study the Protestant side of the argument as zealously as I have been studying Catholicism. I have asked my Protestant friends and mentors for their recommendations, and the crickets are deafening! Which academically viable book or books have some of you heard quoted from in your experiences defending the faith?
 
Well, I’m surprised you got no recommends for Luther from the Protestants.

But, JonNC …a ELCA visits this Apologist section a lot …and he should have something for you.
 
I have been steeped in fantastic books many of you in the forum have recommended on my road to Rome. I am a 20+ year Protestant, married to a life-long one. I long to bring her with me, but she has asked that I study the Protestant side of the argument as zealously as I have been studying Catholicism. I have asked my Protestant friends and mentors for their recommendations, and the crickets are deafening! Which academically viable book or books have some of you heard quoted from in your experiences defending the faith?
I don’t know about books, but here are some primary source historical documents that are still in use by Lutherans. They are collected in the Book of Concord and include:

The Augsburg Confession is the document that was put together by the reformers at the Diet of Augsburg to summarize the chief articles faith. Also the Small and Large Catechisms would be a good study.
 
The original Protestant writings would probably be a good bet. Try Institutes of the Christian Religion by John Calvin, Luther’s writings, or Wesley’s writings (albeit he comes later in history).

You might also look at the works of Phillip Schaff for a Protestant prospective on Church History and other topics.
 
Do you not agree, that if Satan wanted to stop the Church that Jesus founded, or at least thwart its growth, he would do something like, perhaps, DIVIDE and conquer?
One argument that I like to use is, the fact that even Satan knows Who the True Church is. I have yet to hear of anyone in a Satanic cult steal and defile anything other than a CATHOLIC host. Obviously demons even believe in the Real Presence.
 
Luther’s personal confidante wrote about Luther … pointing out his failings and inconsistencies. Forgot his name … a Google search will give you him.
 
I have been steeped in fantastic books many of you in the forum have recommended on my road to Rome. I am a 20+ year Protestant, married to a life-long one. I long to bring her with me, but she has asked that I study the Protestant side of the argument as zealously as I have been studying Catholicism. I have asked my Protestant friends and mentors for their recommendations, and the crickets are deafening! Which academically viable book or books have some of you heard quoted from in your experiences defending the faith?
Try this site…chnetwork.org/

Also, these journals from the site contrast protestant and catholic teaching on two important subjests…salvation and authority:

chnetwork.org/resources/coming-home-journals/
 
I have been steeped in fantastic books many of you in the forum have recommended on my road to Rome. I am a 20+ year Protestant, married to a life-long one. I long to bring her with me, but she has asked that I study the Protestant side of the argument as zealously as I have been studying Catholicism. I have asked my Protestant friends and mentors for their recommendations, and the crickets are deafening! Which academically viable book or books have some of you heard quoted from in your experiences defending the faith?
Just for futher reading, I just recalled this book, this may be the book you need to start with…amazon.com/Spirit-Forms-Protestantism-Louis-Bouyer/dp/1889334316

Book Description
Publication Date: January 2001 | ISBN-10: 1889334316 | ISBN-13: 978-1889334318
An immensely important contribution to true interfaith discussion, this book is a generous and illuminating introduction to the genuine strengths of the Protestant movement — and a frank, charitable examination of its weaknesses. Louis Bouyer shows the value of the Protestant ideas of the sovereignty of God, justification by faith, and even the centrality of Scripture. He also looks squarely at how Protestantism has suffered from its denial of the sacraments, Church authority, and more. He challenges Catholics and Protestants alike to know their beliefs more deeply — an essential foundation to any dialogue.​

And a related article on the book…catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0097.html
 
Well, I’m surprised you got no recommends for Luther from the Protestants.

But, JonNC …a ELCA visits this Apologist section a lot …and he should have something for you.
I’m LCMS, but the writings of Luther that truly matter are those found in the Book of Concord, as mentioned before.
One can go into much greater detail in Luther’s Works.

Probably the best starting point on books about Luther is Here I Stand, by Roland H. Bainton.

Jon
 
I want to commend you for seeking after the truth, and not just sectarian polemics for one side or the other. As someone who is going through a period of conversion discernment as well, I know how hard it is to even want to know the truth if you believe said truth may contradict what you want to believe. As I stated on another thread: I think there are good reasons to believe that Catholicism is a better representation of the historic orthodox Christian faith than Protestantism (although this does not in and of itself prove anything about the merits of Catholicism over Protestantism with regard to representing God’s Truth). Therefore unless you believe that the Church was corrupted in the first few centuries after the Ascension and the True, Biblical, and Holy faith was distorted it seems to me that you must very seriously consider belonging to the Catholic Church or one of the orthodox churches. Then again if you believe the truth was so distorted early on, you’d probably be a Mormon and not a Protestant anyway…

Jesus said:
-“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.” (Matt 24:35) (cf. Luke 21:33 and Mark 13:31)
-“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” (Matt 28:20)
-"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” (Matt 16:18-19) Note, at the risk of mixing metaphors, I want to call attention to what Jesus had to say about building on rocks: “‘Everyone then who hears these words of mine and acts on them will be like a wise man who built his house on rock. The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on rock. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not act on them will be like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell—and great was its fall!’” (Matt 7:24-27) Clearly the Lord is not directly speaking about His Church here, but the consistent use of rock in scripture is as a strong foundation that will not give way and cause that which is built upon it to collapse (cf. Luke 6:46-49, Ps 18:2, Ps 62:6-7).
 
Continued…
-"‘If another member of the church sins against you, go and point out the fault when the two of you are alone. If the member listens to you, you have regained that one. But if you are not listened to, take one or two others along with you, so that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If the member refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if the offender refuses to listen even to the church, let such a one be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. Again, truly I tell you, if two of you agree on earth about anything you ask, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there among them.’" (Matt 18:15-20) If the Lord didn’t intend for His Church to 1. have authority, and 2. endure- why would He say this?
-“When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own, but will speak whatever he hears, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.” (John 16:13)
-"‘I ask not only on behalf of these, but also on behalf of those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given them, so that they may be one, as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become completely one, so that the world may know that you have sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. Father, I desire that those also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory, which you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world.’" (John 17:20-24) Are we to believe that the Lord’s prayer went unfulfilled and God’s intended plan was for a divided Church, with it’s oldest members being the most seriously in error? I doubt it.
-“'If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, to be with you forever. This is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, because he abides with you, and he will be in you.‘I will not leave you orphaned; I am coming to you. In a little while the world will no longer see me, but you will see me; because I live, you also will live. On that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. They who have my commandments and keep them are those who love me; and those who love me will be loved by my Father, and I will love them and reveal myself to them.’ Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, ‘Lord, how is it that you will reveal yourself to us, and not to the world?’ Jesus answered him, 'Those who love me will keep my word, and my Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. Whoever does not love me does not keep my words; and the word that you hear is not mine, but is from the Father who sent me. ‘I have said these things to you while I am still with you. But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything, and remind you of all that I have said to you. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled, and do not let them be afraid.’" (John 14:15-27) If what Jesus said about the Holy Spirit is true, are we lead to believe that the true Church lose the truth and no portion was saved from error, but virtually all Christians vainly believed falsehood until the Reformation (or later as the LDS Church claims)? No, we are lead to believe the exact opposite by Christ’s words here in this verse. The Holy Spirit is to be with us forever (note: yes Jesus was speaking to His original disciples here, but given that the Spirit was poured all on all believers at Pentecost and later, shouldn’t this verse be understood as applying to the whole Church?) and teach us everything and remind us of the Lord’s teachings- therefore how could the whole Church fall into such serious error, especially for so long?
 
I have been steeped in fantastic books many of you in the forum have recommended on my road to Rome. I am a 20+ year Protestant, married to a life-long one. I long to bring her with me, but she has asked that I study the Protestant side of the argument as zealously as I have been studying Catholicism.* I have asked my Protestant friends and mentors for their recommendations, and the crickets are deafening! Which academically viable book or books have some of you heard quoted from in your experiences defending the faith? *
Congradulations on your journey 👍

It sounds like you’ve already gotten some excellent resources. As a suggestion, don’t rush your wife, or make her a project. Give her all the time she needs.

Re: her wish for you.

I had to answer a similar request from a family member as well.

I’m not saying this should be your approach with your wife. This is just the approach I took with a family member. As you will see, we are able to talk very directly with each other.
  • Protestants regardless of stripe trace their beginnings to 16th century revolt from the Church of Rome.
  • Paul condemns that.
  • "Watch out for those who cause division, they don’t serve our Lord but their own selfish appetites" [Rm 16:17-20]
  • The acts of the sinful nature are these, … division, dissent…I warn you as I have done before, those who live like this won’t inherit the kingdom of heaven. [Gal 5:19:17…]
  • BTW, Romans was written to the Church of Rome. warning them against those who divide from her. It’s valid in the 1st century, the 16th century, till the end of time.
  • there is *no expiration date on those warnings. *
  • Luther, Henry VIII, Calvin etc etc knew of those warnings and that was directed at THEM and their followers, and they divided anyway and remained so. And in extension, all Protestants are offshoots today of this same root system, so they can’t read themselves out of those warnings either. Their root system is in heresy sedition and division.from the Catholic Church
  • Since Paul is being inspired by the Holy Spirit to write this warning, and against division, we see how God will treat division from His Church,
  • *Knowing this, I said wh**y would I want to disinherit myself from heaven? I can take a warning seriously. And in extension, why would I want to study from any Protestant offshoots? *BTW Gal 5:re: division, shows that scripturally, “outside the Church there is no salvation”.
  • Paul is writing to and for the Church he is a member of. Yes, Peter, Paul, James, John, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Jude, all wrote to and for the Church they are building. The Catholic Church. They are not seperate from the Catholic Church nor the Catholic Church seperate from them.
  • Acts 9:31 So the church throughout all κατά kataὅλοςholos*** …" iow the Church is the ****Kataholos Church = Catholic Church ****The English word catholic is a transliteration of the Greek katholikos which is a compound word from kata, which means according to, and holos, which means whole. *http://www.catholic.com/tracts/what-catholic-means
  • From the beginning the Church has been the Catholic Church. It’s the same one today with all Our Lord’s promises given to her.
  • History shows those who were disciples of the apostles were in the Catholic Church
during apostolic times, and before all the books of scripture are written,
  • Ignatius of Antioch, a disciple of St John, and bishop of Antioch from ~69 a.d. to ~107 a.d. wrote to the Church in Smyrna saying the Church is the Catholic Church Epistle to the Smyrnæans
  • St Polycarp, Bp Smyrna, (died ~150 a.d.] disciple of St John called the Church the “Catholic Church” The Martyrdom of Polycarp
  • Irenaeus ~180 a.d. disciple of Polycarp, wrote “Against Heresies” called the Church the “Catholic Church” Adversus haereses Bk 1 Ch 10 v 3], and also Irenaeus teaches all must agree with Rome [Bk 3, Ch 3, v 2-3]
  • The Council of Nicea, established the Nicene Creed, 325 a.d., making it a matter of faith, to believe in the “One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church”
  • It’s easy to show the Church is the Catholic Church from the beginning.
When Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments [Jn 14:12-17]. And when He prayed that all are one, that means one is to be in His Church and remain there.
 
There are of course other verses from the Epistles that testify to the importance of the Church, and her role as having authority and truth.
-" if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth." (1 Tim 3:15)
-“and what you have heard from me through many witnesses entrust to faithful people who will be able to teach others as well.” (2 Tim 2:2)
-“Now to him who by the power at work within us is able to accomplish abundantly far more than all we can ask or imagine, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.” (Eph 3:20-21)

So with regard to your original question, try the original works of the Reformers as well as the works by those such as Phillip Schaff, John Wesley, Putting the Amazing Back Into Grace by Michael Horton, and many others. Also continue reading the Catholic side. Read Scripture, which side makes more sense? Read history, who seems to be a better representation of the faith throughout the ages?

God bless,
Matt
 
I have been steeped in fantastic books many of you in the forum have recommended on my road to Rome. I am a 20+ year Protestant, married to a life-long one. I long to bring her with me, but she has asked that I study the Protestant side of the argument as zealously as I have been studying Catholicism. I have asked my Protestant friends and mentors for their recommendations, and the crickets are deafening! Which academically viable book or books have some of you heard quoted from in your experiences defending the faith?
I found your “Curious Protestant” thread and wish to second your wife’s suggestion. It is very important to look at all the angles.

For me, it started with the question of Baptism. I had attended two Baptist churches over 5-6 years before learning what a Believer’s Baptism is, and that my Lutheran Baptism was considered invalid 😉 Luther’s writing on the sacrament made perfect sense to me, but soon thereafter the debate for me came down to either Catholicism or Calvinism: that is, whether to accept Sacred Tradition, or Sola Scriptura.

For some good Protestant stuff, my Calvinist/Baptist seminarian friends used to recommend Monergism.com, which is inexhaustible in itself, not to mention all the writers and books you’ll find there. But it’s very, very Calvinist (i.e. not a good representation of Protestantism).

InterVarsity Press is a pretty good Evangelical resource. Most of their books are academic, but approachable. They have some good ones on Catholicism and Orthodoxy too.

Ravi Zacharias will make your head hurt, but he’s an excellent Christian apologist. His ministry isn’t dedicated to any particular denomination.

“The Courage to be Protestant” is a book focused on returning Evangelicalism to its core beliefs. Can’t say that I’ve read it, but I’ve been curious to check it out for a long time.

I’m sure there are some good Angelican and Lutheran apologists too… I don’t know any offhand, but no doubt they are out there.

Now you can tell your Protestant friends that a Catholic got their back 😉 This period of exploration is a unique part of the journey worth taking with your wife and whoever else cares to join you. Should you settle upon Catholicism, inviting her to consider it won’t be the same as it is now, when you’ve not yet decided. Looking back, I wish I had taken advantage of that unique “transition” period… I can’t, but maybe you can.

But there’s another reason it’s good for you to better understand your Protestant/Evangelical background…

My sole Catholic recommendation is one I learned about from a Baptist friend: “The Catechism of the Catholic Church.” At first, many parts of it smacked of salvation by works, but I hope if you read it thoughtfully and let it simmer in contemplation, you’ll start to see how beautifully Catholicism fulfills everything Evangelicals value most about Christ, grace, and even those pesky Sola’s. Thus, it wouldn’t hurt to know where you’re coming from… at least you will grow as a Christian, and should you choose Catholicism, I can assure you those gems will shine all the brighter.
 
I have been steeped in fantastic books many of you in the forum have recommended on my road to Rome. I am a 20+ year Protestant, married to a life-long one. I long to bring her with me, but she has asked that I study the Protestant side of the argument as zealously as I have been studying Catholicism. I have asked my Protestant friends and mentors for their recommendations, and the crickets are deafening! Which academically viable book or books have some of you heard quoted from in your experiences defending the faith?
The “Protestant side” is much more than books “for Luther.” If you’re interested in books for the “Protestant side” I have a number I could recommend, if allowed by the Catholic Answers moderators. For starters I recommend Dr White’s, The Roman Catholic Controversy and the three volumes set by Webster / King: Holy Scripture, the Ground and Pillar of Our Faith. There certainly are plenty more, but those two represent some of the best current Protestant treatments of Roman Catholicism. Also Dr. White’s debates (including those with Catholic Answers representatives, Akin, Staples, Matatics, Madrid, etc.) are worth tracking down

On the other hand, I can address Luther books.

The best thing to do is actually read Luther. This is much easier than it used to be. You can actually purchase Luther’s Works on CD-ROM. The CD contains the 55-volume American edition. The price for the CD has been going down over the years as well. If you want just a taste of Luther’s writings, there is a good anthology edited by Timothy Lull, Martin Luther’s Basic Theological Writings. Lull does an excellent job of collecting key texts, and presenting key snippets from Luther’s Works. There is also an older anthology edited by John Dillenberger, Martin Luther: Selections From His Writings.

One of the most fascinating and helpful resources is What Luther Says by Ewald Plass. The book contains 1700 pages of quotes by Martin Luther arranged topically. This book is a masterful topical arrangement of Luther’s opinion on a myriad of subjects: everything from practical matters to in-depth theological issues. There are 5,100 quotations on more than 200 subjects. There is a smaller volume similar in nature called A Compend Of Luther’s Theology by Hugh Kerr. It is out-of-print, but easy to track down, and inexpensive.

Though these anthologies are great introductions, I always recommend people begin by reading some of Luther’s Sermons. Baker books republished seven volumes of these entitled The Complete Sermons of Martin Luther. The set is inexpensive. I recommend this as a starting point because it gives one a feel for the pastoral heart and care of Luther.

As to basic historical biographies of Luther, I recommend two books that compliment each other. The first is Roland Bainton’s Here I Stand: A Life of Martin Luther. The book is straightforward, and though criticized for being too lenient on Luther, it is a highly reliable historical work. The second is Heiko Oberman’s Luther: Man Between God and the Devil. This biography is more daring. It presents more of a “Luther, warts and all”. As with Bainton’s book, the historical and biographical information is set forth accurately.

Here are some interesting historical treatments. Robert Kolb’s Martin Luther as Prophet, Teacher, and Hero traces Luther’s impact on Lutheranism, and explores the way Lutherans have understood who Luther was. Some early Lutherans went as far as calling him a Prophet. Martin- God’s Court Jester by Eric Gritsch tackles some of the controversial subjects surrounding Luther, like the folly of using psycho-history to interpret Luther’s life. Richard Stauffer has an interesting little book called Luther As Seen By Catholics, tracing the way Catholics have understood Luther for the past few hundred years. Similarly, Luther Examined and Reexamined: A Review of Catholic Criticism and a Plea for Reevaluation by W.H.T. Dau gets into debunking accusations leveled against Luther.

But most people never move beyond the biographical with Luther. Luther was a theologian, and had distinctive theological paradigms. For the simplest overview of his theology, Steve Paulson has written Luther For Armchair Theologians, with the layman in mind. The book is by far the easiest text available on Luther’s theology. For an advanced detailed treatment, The Theology of Martin Luther by Paul Althaus is, in my opinion, the definitive overview of Luther’s theology. It is an in-depth analysis of Luther’s thought, fully indexed, and documented with citations from primary sources. But the book that really takes Luther’s theology and makes it practical is Gerhard O. Forde’s, On Being A Theologian Of The Cross: Reflections On Luther’s Heidelberg Disputation, 1518.

JS
 
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