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Correction with regard to my reference to the Asimov short story: It was “The Last Question,” not The Final Question.
I suppose we deprive our kids by not allowing them to read these books. I take for granted the freedom I had to develop myself and basically to reject many of my secular assumptions through my own discovery of the faith and how they are rationally grounded. Perhaps my kids need, perhaps not the same level of freedom (my parents did not attempt to defend any controversial aspect of the Catholic faith, but were very worldly), but some of that freedom.It’s true that Asimov is an atheist. It doesn’t seem to affect his fiction, especially his early fiction, unduly. In the Foundation series, for example, it is not so much that religion is deprecated, it is simply ignored. It is as though Asimov just expected religion to quietly disappear as the centuries went on. It was a blind spot for him, but I didn’t take much note of it as a kid reading the Foundation series.
He wrote a short story called “The Final Question” which can be read on line, and which I read in a SF magazine at about the age of 11. The story ends with the universe sort of creating itself. It’s a very clever story, and I liked it even then, but it never adversely affected my faith.
With respect to Asimov, I don’t want to make too much of his atheism. He doesn’t advocate for it in his fiction, nor does he bash religion. Religion is just absent from the stories. But then, religion is absent from most science fiction. When I read the Foundation novels (the original three) I liked the description of a future galactic empire; and unlike sci-fi movies, there were no big battles or explosions!I suppose we deprive our kids by not allowing them to read these books. I take for granted the freedom I had to develop myself and basically to reject many of my secular assumptions through my own discovery of the faith and how i0they are rationally grounded. Perhaps my kids need, perhaps not the same level of freedom (my parents did not attempt to defend any controversial aspect of the Catholic faith, but were very worldly), but some of that freedom.
God bless,
Ut
Utunmsint asked me what a writer like Pratchett could have to offer a kid, I’ll answer with a quote from Granny Weatherwax , she’s a witch of tremendous power but rarely uses it, this is her view on sin:-
“…And that’s what your holy men discuss, is it?” [asked Granny Weatherwax.]
“Not usually. There is a very interesting debate raging at the moment on the nature of sin. for example.” [answered Mightily Oats.]
“And what do they think? Against it, are they?”
“It’s not as simple as that. It’s not a black and white issue. There are so many shades of gray.”
“Nope.”
“Pardon?”
“There’s no grays, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.”
“It’s a lot more complicated than that–”
“No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.”
“Oh, I’m sure there are worse crimes–”
True. A good insight that Pope JPII developed in detail in his theology of the body.“But they starts with thinking about people as things…”
And from TH White’s work (this is from Merlin and Merlin lives backwards in this tale whicn explains why he knows future history. He is arguing against the idea of might making right with a young Arthur at the beginning of his reign):-
This is a good thought, so long as the thought does not turn into moral relativism. Live and let live, yes, but truth above all.There was just such a man when I was young—an Austrian who invented a new way of life and convinced himself that he was the chap to make it work. He tried to impose his reformation by the sword, and plunged the civilized world into misery and chaos. But the thing which this fellow had overlooked, my friend, was that he had a predecessor in the reformation business, called Jesus Christ. Perhaps we may assume that Jesus knew as much as the Austrian did about saving people. But the odd thing is that Jesus did not turn the disciples into storm troopers, burn down the Temple at Jerusalem, and fix the blame on Pontius Pilate. On the contrary, he made it clear that the business of the philosopher was to make ideas available, and not to impose them on people.”
Gordon Korman is a Canadian writer who writes incredibly funny books. Your son might enjoy his “Bruno and Boots” series about two boys who get up to high jinks at their boarding school, Macdonald Hall. (The first book, “This Can’t Be Happening at Macdonald Hall!” was written when Korman was 12 and published when he was 14.) There’s nothing inappropriate in the books that I can see.
Yes and yes to both of these two! Again, these are two book series I liked to read growing up. My brother made a point of collecting as many Hardy Boys as he could. These are not high literature, but they are definitely fun and entertaining to read.The Hardy Boys series was a favourite of mine growing up - these are mysteries solved by two brothers, aged 17 and 18. Obviously they’re quite a bit older than your son, but there’s nothing inappropriate in them.
Eric Wilson is another author I quite enjoyed. You might have to search a bit to find his books - they might not be available outside of Canada and/or the U.S. Most of his books are set in Canada, with the exception of “Disneyland Hostage”. He writes about two siblings and their adventures solving mysteries. Some books involve only one sibling, while others involve both.
It’s not bad memory on your part. Dystopian stories are an unusually popular genre of SF right now (especially in stories aimed at a high school or middle school audience), and utunumsint mentioned that he and his son like SF and Fantasy novels. Dystopian works are going to show up on any lists that skew towards newer SF/Fantasy (as mine does).Maybe it’s just bad memory on my part, but there sure seems to be a lot of dystopian novels and dystopian stories around currently. When I was in elementary school, I preferred somewhat more optimistic novels. Even Asimov’s “Foundation” series, which featured the bad galactic empire vs the good Foundation, was not particularly dystopian, compared with, for example, “The Hunger Games.”
Once again I’ll recommend “There’s a Boy in the Girls’ Bathroom,” which is not dystopian at all!
The way the THG trilogy ended is actually quite controversial in many circles and many think the revolution did not improve matters at all except for perhaps bringing out the abolition of the “Games” (which are certainly depicted as evil) themselves – and even that is not 100% certain. Even in-story, a character expresses a rather cynical opinion that he expects history to repeat itself and for the society to fall back into tyranny.But while the old stories tended to star middle-aged men (usually classical antiheroes) who were just trying to keep their individuality and their lives, newer dystopias star teenagers- often girls- who refuse to accept the status quo. They generally start out just trying to survive, but by the end, they’re in the middle of a revolution and are having some success at bringing the big bad government to its knees. Most of them are, if not happy, at least hopeful.
I firmly maintain that The Giver is a book EVERYONE (children and adults) should read. DSD just read it and she just turned 10 last month.Surprised no one’s mentioned Beverly Cleary yet! I loved every single one of her books growing up. (Though I will say I was disappointed with her last published book, Ramona’s World – it just seemed a tad too superficial compared to the rest of the Ramona series, but I was a lot older than the target age group when I read it for nostalgia’s sake. All of Ramona’s problems in that book were quickly solved in a TV-sitcom like way with no serious repercussions. However, the earlier books deal with weightier issues such as Ramona’s father losing his job and her mother leaving her traditional home-maker role to enter the workplace.
Another book she wrote that deals with weighty topics in an age-appropriate way is Dear Mr. Henshaw, which won the Newberry Medal in 1984. The main character deals with his parents’ divorce, a father who has essentially abandoned him, bullying, and other serious topics.
Now, I suppose a Millenial kid might find the Ramona books to be a bit dated, they were written in the 1970s/80s, way before everyone had a cell phone that doubled as a mini-computer. I also don’t know if the OP’s child is the kind of boy who’s interested in books with a girl as a main character. Cleary also wrote the Henry Huggins series that feature a boy, but those books were written in the 1950s and the OP’s child might find them even more difficult to relate to. And perhaps if the OP’s child is already reading LOTR they books are a little below his reading level, but perhaps when the OP’s daughter gets a bit older she’d enjoy them.
The OP’s son may find the Lois Lowry books to be more suited to his reading level, she is likely best known for The Giver Quartet but she also wrote MANY other books that I enjoyed a lot.
I also think the Judy Blume books meant for pre-teen kids such as Tales of a Fourth Grade Nothing are appropriate, though her books for adolescents are much more controversial (and some of those are quite dated, too). Certainly I’d vet her books before giving them to a 9 year old.
Kamaduck, I appreciate your comments and analysis regarding the dystopian genre. 1940’s and 1950’s SF was quite a bit different than current SF. Less literary, more impressed with evoking a sense of wonder. Now we are actually living in an increasingly dystopian society so it makes sense that our literature would reflect that. I just wonder how much pessimism we want to inflict on nine-year-olds! I think you have pretty much nailed Asimov, he was not much of a character writer, you couldn’t really get excited about his characters, he was more of a big picture sort of storyteller.It’s not bad memory on your part. Dystopian stories are an unusually popular genre of SF right now (especially in stories aimed at a high school or middle school audience), and utunumsint mentioned that he and his son like SF and Fantasy novels. Dystopian works are going to show up on any lists that skew towards newer SF/Fantasy (as mine does).
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I’m pretty sure young people- at least in America, I can’t speak for other places- are no longer looking forward to the future with the same sense of “it’s gonna be awesome and humanity is going to terraform, like, the whole universe” that many early SF writers had.