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If this is the wrong forum, moderator, please move it, it is the finishing of another thread. It involves a letter I have sent to Paulene Media South Africa, on some books in their stores.
Email to paulene media SOuth Africa, yet to be answered
sent July 27 2008
Titled with the following
Certain books in the Pauline media store, that I would like to discuss as to appropriateness
to (as well as a bcc)
internet@paulines.co.za
My message’s content
"I recently purchased the book “a concise history of the catholic church”, the problem, which I have researched is it’s view of confession in history, which seems to appose trent’s view, as well as quotes of the church fathers, this is not the only issue I found problemmatic in this.
Also the “modern Catholic Encyclopedia” seems critical of the church, and of the editors, the website- “Catholic Culture” says that she is not a very good source, to interpret what they say of her view of Jesus:
here are the links on research I have done since finding the content in the first book, I would like a response, also, does Pauline SA sell authentic translations of Trent, or copies of the 1913 encyclopedia, or baltimore, these are of interest to myself.
in any case, EWTN (locally shown in Radio Veritas, as well as other sites seem to appose the editors of the second book noted)
"While this theory of transignification has thoroughly permeated
theology in the United States, we will only look at a few examples
here. Monika K. Hellwig, a Georgetown University professor who
dedicated her earlier book, <Jesus: The Compassion of God>, to Piet
Schoonenberg, states about Jesus and the Eucharist:
In breaking it and giving it to them, he says: “Take and eat, for
this is my body.” It has generally been assumed that this was
intended to mean, “This bread is my body,” and that the task of
interpretation was concerned with what is meant by equating the two.
Scholars have, however, suggested that it more probably was intended
to mean that his action of blessing, breaking, sharing and eating in
such an assembly in his name and memory was to be seen as the
embodiment of the presence and Spirit and power of Jesus in the
community.[30]
Thus, Monika Hellwig says that Jesus’ intention was to spiritually
change the people or community, rather than the bread and wine, into
his Body and Blood."
Is Christ “Really” Among Us Today?
by Regis Scanlon
ewtn.com/library/DOCTRINE/REALLY.TXT
"Rejecting quite clearly the “magical understanding” of the Catholic Church in its dogmatic formulations of revealed truths concerning the after-life, Teilhardian theologian Hellwig goes on to thoroughly immanentize the extra-temporal realities of Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory. That is to say, following in the wake of other unbelieving exponents of “contemporary eschatology”, she proceeds to reduce these supernatural realities to mere symbols. For her, Heaven, Hell and Purgatory are not to be taken in any literal sense as realities beyond this visible world; rather they are immanent experiences in this world.
…
In rejecting body and soul as two separate substances united in one composite unity (with the soul as the form of the body), Hellwig is logically forced to dismiss the Church’s doctrine that the body will be reunited with the soul (in the resurrection of the dead) as the essentially false teaching of the past.
“The Church did take over the Greek understanding of the immortality of the soul and yet, somewhat inconsistently, taught bodily resurrection alongside it. In the course of this teaching, death became defined as the separation of body and soul, so that resurrection is imaged as the reclamation of a material body by the continually surviving soul.” (Page 57).
Hellwig clearly regards the doctrines held by the Church to be outright distortions of the “biblical message.” For her, when you are dead, you are really dead!
“The possibilities of awakening to full consciousness and full self-consciousness and full human responsibility happens during this biological life span or not at all.” (Page 6).
If anyone might question the destructive nature of Hellwig’s book (couched in fuzzy existentialist jargon), he or she has only to read Chapter 4 treating of the Resurrection of Our Lord. The Resurrection of Jesus Christ has been thoroughly demythologized, that is, reduced to a mere symbol. Hellwig assures her readers that the Resurrection of Christ cannot be viewed as the “resuscitation of a corpse.” (Page 49).
"
catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?id=6478
See also
search engine research
google.com/cse?cof=FORID%…g%22&sa=Search
In any case, having spent so much on such books, I would appreciate their removal from the catalogue.
RSVP
Marc Aupiais"
Email to paulene media SOuth Africa, yet to be answered
sent July 27 2008
Titled with the following
Certain books in the Pauline media store, that I would like to discuss as to appropriateness
to (as well as a bcc)
internet@paulines.co.za
My message’s content
"I recently purchased the book “a concise history of the catholic church”, the problem, which I have researched is it’s view of confession in history, which seems to appose trent’s view, as well as quotes of the church fathers, this is not the only issue I found problemmatic in this.
Also the “modern Catholic Encyclopedia” seems critical of the church, and of the editors, the website- “Catholic Culture” says that she is not a very good source, to interpret what they say of her view of Jesus:
here are the links on research I have done since finding the content in the first book, I would like a response, also, does Pauline SA sell authentic translations of Trent, or copies of the 1913 encyclopedia, or baltimore, these are of interest to myself.
in any case, EWTN (locally shown in Radio Veritas, as well as other sites seem to appose the editors of the second book noted)
"While this theory of transignification has thoroughly permeated
theology in the United States, we will only look at a few examples
here. Monika K. Hellwig, a Georgetown University professor who
dedicated her earlier book, <Jesus: The Compassion of God>, to Piet
Schoonenberg, states about Jesus and the Eucharist:
In breaking it and giving it to them, he says: “Take and eat, for
this is my body.” It has generally been assumed that this was
intended to mean, “This bread is my body,” and that the task of
interpretation was concerned with what is meant by equating the two.
Scholars have, however, suggested that it more probably was intended
to mean that his action of blessing, breaking, sharing and eating in
such an assembly in his name and memory was to be seen as the
embodiment of the presence and Spirit and power of Jesus in the
community.[30]
Thus, Monika Hellwig says that Jesus’ intention was to spiritually
change the people or community, rather than the bread and wine, into
his Body and Blood."
Is Christ “Really” Among Us Today?
by Regis Scanlon
ewtn.com/library/DOCTRINE/REALLY.TXT
"Rejecting quite clearly the “magical understanding” of the Catholic Church in its dogmatic formulations of revealed truths concerning the after-life, Teilhardian theologian Hellwig goes on to thoroughly immanentize the extra-temporal realities of Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory. That is to say, following in the wake of other unbelieving exponents of “contemporary eschatology”, she proceeds to reduce these supernatural realities to mere symbols. For her, Heaven, Hell and Purgatory are not to be taken in any literal sense as realities beyond this visible world; rather they are immanent experiences in this world.
…
In rejecting body and soul as two separate substances united in one composite unity (with the soul as the form of the body), Hellwig is logically forced to dismiss the Church’s doctrine that the body will be reunited with the soul (in the resurrection of the dead) as the essentially false teaching of the past.
“The Church did take over the Greek understanding of the immortality of the soul and yet, somewhat inconsistently, taught bodily resurrection alongside it. In the course of this teaching, death became defined as the separation of body and soul, so that resurrection is imaged as the reclamation of a material body by the continually surviving soul.” (Page 57).
Hellwig clearly regards the doctrines held by the Church to be outright distortions of the “biblical message.” For her, when you are dead, you are really dead!
“The possibilities of awakening to full consciousness and full self-consciousness and full human responsibility happens during this biological life span or not at all.” (Page 6).
If anyone might question the destructive nature of Hellwig’s book (couched in fuzzy existentialist jargon), he or she has only to read Chapter 4 treating of the Resurrection of Our Lord. The Resurrection of Jesus Christ has been thoroughly demythologized, that is, reduced to a mere symbol. Hellwig assures her readers that the Resurrection of Christ cannot be viewed as the “resuscitation of a corpse.” (Page 49).
"
catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?id=6478
See also
search engine research
google.com/cse?cof=FORID%…g%22&sa=Search
In any case, having spent so much on such books, I would appreciate their removal from the catalogue.
RSVP
Marc Aupiais"