Born again at baptism: an essay

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Baptism is infused grace which effects real change in the soul. Regeneration is more than just a state, it is the transformation of the old creature into the new creature in Christ, a transformation from death unto life, a regeneration of the soul. It is not merely forensic or imputed. Grace is poured into our souls.

“Few truths are so clearly taught in the New Testament as the doctrine that in baptism God gives us grace. Again and again the sacred writers tell us that it is in baptism that we are saved, buried with Christ, incorporated into his body, washed of our sins, regenerated, cleansed, and so on (see Acts 2:38, 22:16; Rom. 6:1–4; 1 Cor. 6:11, 12:13; Gal. 3:26–27; Eph. 5:25-27; Col. 2:11–12; Titus 3:5; 1 Pet. 3:18–22). They are unanimous in speaking of baptism in invariably efficient terms, as really bringing about a spiritual effect.” catholic.com/library/Baptismal_Grace.asp

“[we] are spiritually cleansed by the power of the sacrament of baptism. God’s saving word of grace is introduced into the soul, cleanses it of all sin, actual and original, and animates it with sanctifying grace, the very life of the Blessed Trinity.” Patrick Madrid
 
Baptism is infused grace which effects real change in the soul. Regeneration is more than just a state, it is the transformation of the old creature into the new creature in Christ, a transformation from death unto life, a regeneration of the soul. It is not merely forensic or imputed. Grace is poured into our souls.

“Few truths are so clearly taught in the New Testament as the doctrine that in baptism God gives us grace. Again and again the sacred writers tell us that it is in baptism that we are saved, buried with Christ, incorporated into his body, washed of our sins, regenerated, cleansed, and so on (see Acts 2:38, 22:16; Rom. 6:1–4; 1 Cor. 6:11, 12:13; Gal. 3:26–27; Eph. 5:25-27; Col. 2:11–12; Titus 3:5; 1 Pet. 3:18–22). They are unanimous in speaking of baptism in invariably efficient terms, as really bringing about a spiritual effect.” catholic.com/library/Baptismal_Grace.asp

“[we] are spiritually cleansed by the power of the sacrament of baptism. God’s saving word of grace is introduced into the soul, cleanses it of all sin, actual and original, and animates it with sanctifying grace, the very life of the Blessed Trinity.” Patrick Madrid
You know, I have spent many years understanding concepts of theology, and this is one of them. Yes, the writers tell us about the infusion of grace, about the cleansing of baptism, etc. But all of that understanding does not help the rubber meet the road. Those writers understood something that is very problematic to our thinking - they understood that when a disciple of Jesus baptized you and laid his hands on you, that you were made a member of the Church, and member or citizen of the Kingdom which they represented. They understood that their decision to include you in God’s people was approved by God in heaven and by their King. They understood that God granted you his Grace and Spirit when they chose to include you in the Kingdom. The Church said, “Now you are one with us, a fellow Christian (imputed action by the Church)”. God and Christ in heaven said, “Now you are adopted, and an heir”, and God poured out his Spirit within you because of what he imputed to you. He gave you your new heart and his Spirit because of what he now regarded you to be (state). You were buried with Christ in Baptism (the death or end of the old state), and granted a new life (a new state with all the gifts that come with that state). The state “change” did happen at your baptism. The spiritual effect is all the gifts that God gives to those who are called by his name.

I will consider the first passage you listed. Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

Peter is saying “come, let go of your old life of sinning (old state). We will baptize you into Christ. We will grant you forgiveness and include you as one of our members (new state). Because you are then one with us and now regarded as his children, his people, God will grant you his Spirit (and we will lay our hands on you to confirm that this is true).”
Similar things could be written about all the passages.

Baptism is a sacrament - simply put, Christ is doing to you what you see a man doing to you. You are joined to the people of God, the Kingdom, on earth; you are joined in Heaven. The priest or deacon or whoever declares to you receive the Holy Spirit; Christ actually gives you his Spirit. Before you were not of the People of God; now you are of the People of God. Before you were outside the fellowship of those around you; now you and they are fellow citizens of Christ’s Kingdom, fellow aliens in the nations where you live, sharing the means of Grace with them.
As St.John said, we are “brother(s) and companion(s) in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus.”

The rubber meets the road when it is understood that there is no participation or inclusion in the spiritual side apart from being baptized and included in the Kingdom on the physical side. All of the gifts and promises belong to those whom the Church baptizes, includes, because God and his Christ in heaven “effect” what the priest or bishop or pope declare on earth.
 
Regeneration is not a “process”, it is a “state”. As a member of the Church (citizen of the Kingdom God established / adopted as a son of God) you are regenerated as a status of who and what you are. The Church did that to you - gave you this new status - when it baptized you.
It could mean either or…when you are in the state of regeneration, it takes time for that regeneration process to be completed…God can regenerate you at the time of water baptisum if he so choose…or he can take his time if he so choose…God is soverien he can
do as he pleases.

God bless
 
It could mean either or…when you are in the state of regeneration, it takes time for that regeneration process to be completed…God can regenerate you at the time of water baptisum if he so choose…or he can take his time if he so choose…God is soverien he can
do as he pleases.
Well, yes, it “could” mean either if we had no direction on which it really meant. However, it is the teaching of the Church that regeneration happens at the instant of baptism:

At that moment the person is purified from all sins, made into a new creature, an adopted son of God, a partaker of the divine nature, a member of Christ and co-heir with Him, and made into a temple of the Holy Spirit. We are made members of the Body of Christ - we are incorporated into the Church. We are born into the one People of God of the New Covenant which is more than all our natural or humanly established limits of nations, cultures, races, and sexes.

All of this is from Articles 1265, 1266, and 1267 of your Catechism, which is written by our leaders who were appointed by our King, Jesus, to teach us the correct interpretation of things.

Salvation, fully defined, is being included and one with the People of God, now in His Kingdom on Earth, sacramentally with His Kingdom in Heaven, and eventually with Him in the resurrection. This is why I love what the Church did to me, baptizing me - they included me as one with them.
 
Well, yes, it “could” mean either if we had no direction on which it really meant. However, it is the teaching of the Church that regeneration happens at the instant of baptism:

At that moment the person is purified from all sins, made into a new creature, an adopted son of God, a partaker of the divine nature, a member of Christ and co-heir with Him, and made into a temple of the Holy Spirit. We are made members of the Body of Christ - we are incorporated into the Church. We are born into the one People of God of the New Covenant which is more than all our natural or humanly established limits of nations, cultures, races, and sexes.

All of this is from Articles 1265, 1266, and 1267 of your Catechism, which is written by our leaders who were appointed by our King, Jesus, to teach us the correct interpretation of things.

Salvation, fully defined, is being included and one with the People of God, now in His Kingdom on Earth, sacramentally with His Kingdom in Heaven, and eventually with Him in the resurrection. This is why I love what the Church did to me, baptizing me - they included me as one with them.
I not saying regeneration couldn’t happen at the moment of baptisum, of course with God are things possible…but it useally doesen’t, if it did alot more people would be a living testamoney to christ of that regeneration would’nt it?

peace and clessings
 
I not saying regeneration couldn’t happen at the moment of baptisum, of course with God are things possible…but it useally doesen’t, if it did alot more people would be a living testamoney to christ of that regeneration would’nt it?

peace and clessings
Actually, it does happen, always, at the moment of baptism. The prodigal son was still a son even though he was not living or looking like one. But with returning and confession, suddenly he looked like a son of his father again (although his older brother did not like it)
 
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Well, yes, it “could” mean either if we had no direction on which it really meant. However, it is the teaching of the Church that regeneration happens at the instant of baptism:

*At that moment the person is purified from all sins, made into a new creature, an adopted son of God, a partaker of the divine nature, a member of Christ and co-heir with Him, and made into a temple of the Holy Spirit. We are made members of the Body of Christ - we are incorporated into the Church. We are born into the one People of God of the New Covenant which is more than all our natural or humanly established limits of nations, cultures, races, and sexes. *

*All of this is from Articles 1265, 1266, and 1267 of your Catechism, which is written by our leaders who were appointed by our King, Jesus, to teach us the correct interpretation of things. *

Salvation, fully defined, is being included and one with the People of God, now in His Kingdom on Earth, sacramentally with His Kingdom in Heaven, and eventually with Him in the resurrection. This is why I love what the Church did to me, baptizing me - they included me as one with them.
I not saying regeneration couldn’t happen at the moment of baptisum, of course with God are things possible…but it useally doesen’t, if it did alot more people would be a living testamoney to christ of that regeneration would’nt it?
You know, there is a difference between:
  1. Asking “How is it possible that regeneration happens at the moment of baptism? There are so many baptized that do not show themselves as living testimony…” and
  2. Declaring that regeneration “…usually doesn’t happen, if it did a lot more people would be living testimony…”
The first person is asking for help in understanding how our Church understands and teaches what it does about baptism, and how God backs up their understanding.
The second person is saying he understands correctly, where the official teachers of our Church understand incorrectly.

It actually comes down to the question of who are the teachers, the bishops, the Pope? Are they really inspired by the Holy Spirit as officials of Christ’s Kingdom on earth, so that we should regard their interpretion as God’s interpretation?

This is hard for people to do. I remember last year about this time, when I first started considering this, thinking what it would have been like to be a disciple with Jesus, then hearing Jesus say to Peter, “And who do you say that I am?” Peter, as we know, said, “You are the Messiah (the Christ)”. He was saying, you are the King whom our God promised to send to us, the King we have been waiting for. Then Jesus tells him, “You are Rock (Peter or Cephas), and on Rock I will build my Church, I give you the Keys of my Kingdom (meaning from the Old Testament, I am making you my Vicar, my Prime Minister, my Head of State).”
If I had heard this (and the other disciples did hear it), I would have taken a step back from Peter, in respect, knowing he was the second in command in this new small Kingdom.

That is when I came to start thinking, the Pope really is the Vicar of Christ. The bishops really are succeeded from the Apostles. And Jesus meant it when he gave them his Spirit and called them to baptize in his name.

And then as I read the Bible, and the Catechism, I find it is true - here are two books, written by men, that are nothing but truth - the Holy Spirit did inspire the leaders of his Church, from those first Apostles and down to the present day.

So, If I have a hard time with a specific teaching now, I don’t say it is wrong; instead I ask, How can this be, it is so hard to understand?
 
Actually, it does happen, always, at the moment of baptism. The prodigal son was still a son even though he was not living or looking like one. But with returning and confession, suddenly he looked like a son of his father again (although his older brother did not like it)
Regeneration is constant state/processes of moving forward…paul likens as a race toward the prise at the finish of the race. What is the prise?,I would think it would be salvation.

God loves you
 
Hello everyone at Catholic Answers.

I am currently a Christian who happens to worship under the Southern Baptist denomination.
I am also in a bad place. I feel like something is drawing me to the Catholic Church, however my parents are Southern Baptist and my father is a deacon.
There are a lot of Southern Baptist doctrines I don’t agree with (Real Presence, sola scriptura, church voting for members baptism).
…Okay, my main spill. Before I become a Catholic, it will really be hard to accept the baptismal regeneration doctrine.
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  1.)  John 3:16 says that belief in Jesus saves us, and doesn't mention baptism  
  2.) What about the theif on the cross? He wasn't baptised, and was given salvation
An interesting way of looking at baptism my dad described to me:

“Suppose a non-Christian man is on a trip in an airplane. The plane experiences engine failure and starts to crash. The man immediately and sincerely asks Jesus to save him before he dies”
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  So does this man go to hell? The bible tells us God is just, I would have to say that the man is given salvation, because similar to the theif on the cross he understands his helpless state of being and asks Christ to forgive him.
However Baptism is essential to being a Christian. “Outward expression of an inward change” as my pastor puts it. I just can’t believe that Baptism saves us, I believe it is Christ’s work alone that saves us.

pax
 
Hello everyone at Catholic Answers.

I am currently a Christian who happens to worship under the Southern Baptist denomination.
I am also in a bad place. I feel like something is drawing me to the Catholic Church, however my parents are Southern Baptist and my father is a deacon.
There are a lot of Southern Baptist doctrines I don’t agree with (Real Presence, sola scriptura, church voting for members baptism).
…Okay, my main spill. Before I become a Catholic, it will really be hard to accept the baptismal regeneration doctrine.
Code:
  1.)  John 3:16 says that belief in Jesus saves us, and doesn't mention baptism  
  2.) What about the theif on the cross? He wasn't baptised, and was given salvation
An interesting way of looking at baptism my dad described me:
“Suppose a non-Christian man is on a trip in an airplane. The plane experiences engine failure and starts to crash. The man immediately and sincerely asks Jesus to save him before he dies”
Code:
  So does this man go to hell? The bible tells us God is just, I would have to say that the man is given salvation, because similar to the theif on the cross he understands his helpless state of being and asks Christ to forgive him.
However Baptism is essential to being a Christian. “Outward expression of an inward change” as my pastor puts it. However, I just can’t believe that Baptism saves us, I believe it is Christ’s work alone that saves us.

pax
FanOfU2, I invite you to search the scriptures a little more. Read carefully and in proper context John 3:5, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16 and 1 Peter 3:21. Note that in every instance where a person was saved in the New Testament (except the thief on the cross) that baptism was the first thing they did. Also note that the baptisms weren’t always public–so much for “outward expression.” If you are going to deny that there is salvific effect in baptism, you must discard many chapters of scripture.

As for those instances where baptism is impossible due to exigent circumstances, you’re right that God is just, and He does recognize something called baptism by desire. You’re also right that it is Christ’s work alone that saves us, i.e., makes His saving grace available to us. However, that grace is conveyed to the new Christian in the first instance through the waters of baptism.

The sacraments, including the sacrament of baptism, are wonderful. Jesus often used sacraments in working His miracles. In turning the water into wine, He used water. He could have simply spoken the wine into existence but instead He used water. He spit on the ground to make mud that made a blind man see when applied to his eyes. Another sacramental use. Indeed, if my Baptist church had the sacraments, I would never consider leaving it. But alas it does not.
 
Zenas, thanks much for the quick repost.

I do need to read and study the scriptures more often, my habits have been kind of laxed lately. I will check out the verses you gave me tommorow, since I’m going to bed as soon as I’m done posting this.

You wrote: “that grace is conveyed to the new Christian in the first instance through the waters of baptism.”

I never thought of it like that before, and I have to say it’s really an eye opener. So, essentially we are given baptism as a way of receiving what Christ has already done on the cross.

Also never noticed the significance of water in the miracle at the wedding and the miracle that made the blind man see…interesting,stuff there.

Anyways, these views on baptism run counter to what I have been taught as a Southern baptist…but, your post especially, “that grace is conveyed to the new Christian in the first instance through the waters of baptism.” has given me a new insight.

Much appreciated!
 
Commanded by Christ and taught by the Apostles.

Matthew 28:19 - “Go therefore … baptizing them in the name of the Father …”
Mark 16:16 - **“Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved”**John 3:5 - (No one enters heaven without baptism of water and spirit)
Acts 2:38 - “Peter [said] … repent and be baptized”
Acts 2:41 - (Those accepting St. Peter’s message are baptized; 3000 members are added.)
Acts 8:12 - (Once they believed Philip’s teaching, men and women were baptized.)
Acts 8:38 - (Philip baptized the Ethiopian eunuch)
Acts 10:48 - “he [Peter] ordered them to be baptized”
See also: - Mark 10:38, John 3:22, Acts 9:18, Acts 16:15, Romans 6:3, 1 Corinthians 12:13, 27; Galatians 3:27
Replaces the need for circumcision.
Colossians 2:11-12 - (Baptism is described as the “circumcision of Christ”)
See also: - Genesis 17:12-14
Jesus sets the example for us.
Matthew 3:16 - “After Jesus was baptized, he came up from the water”
Mark 1:9 - “Jesus came … and was baptized in the Jordan by John”
Luke 3:21 - “and Jesus also had been baptized”
Is regenerative.
John 3:5, 22 - born of water and the spirit; Apostles begin baptizing
Romans 6:3-4 - So by our baptism into his death we were buried with him, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the Father’s glorious power, we too should begin living a new life
Acts 2:37-38 - repent, be baptized, receive the Holy Spirit
Acts 22:16 - And now why delay? Hurry and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name
1 Corinthians 6:11 - “now you have had yourselves washed, you were sanctified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and through the Spirit of our God”
Ephesians 5:26 - “cleansing her by the bath of water with the word”
Colossians 2:12 - “burned with him in baptism … raised with him [in] faith”
Hebrews 10:22 - So as we go in, let us be sincere in heart and filled with faith, our hearts sprinkled and free from any trace of bad conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Titus 3:5 - saved us through bath of rebirth and renewal of the Holy Spirit
1 Peter 3:21 - "It is the baptism corresponding to this water which saves you now - not the washing off of physical dirt but the pledge of a good conscience given to God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ"
See also: - Romans 4:23-25, Galatians 3:27, 1 Peter 1:23
Takes away all sin.
Mark 1:4 - (John the Baptist preaches a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.)
Mark 16:16 - **“Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved”**Luke 3:3 - (John the Baptist still preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins)
John 1:33 - (John testifies that Jesus is the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit)
John 3:5 - (No one enters heaven without baptism of water and spirit)
Acts 2:38 - “be baptized … for the forgiveness of your sins”
Acts 22:16 - “have yourself baptized and your sins washed away”
Colossians 2:13 - “you were dead [in] transgressions … he brought you to life”
Not to be repeated.
Ephesians 4:5 - “one Lord, one faith, one baptism”
Hebrews 6:4-6 - (After the “enlightened” [baptized] fall away, they cannot be enlightened again.)
Hebrews 10:26 - (No sacrifice for sins after deliberate sin after knowing the truth)
Faith of others is efficacious.
Matthew 8:5-13 - (Jesus heals a servant because of the Centurion’s faith)
Matthew 15:21-28 - (Daughter healed because of the Canaanite woman’s faith)
Luke 5:20 - “when he saw their faith, he said … ‘your sins are forgiven’”
Luke 7:7 - “say the word and my servant will be healed”
To be administered to children "Infant Baptism"
Matthew 8:5ff - servant healed because of centurion’s faith
Matthew 15:21ff - daughter healed because of the Canaanite woman’s faith
Matthew 18:14 - (It is not the will of God that children be damned.)
Matthew 19:14 - “Let the children come to me”
Mark 10:14 - let the children come, for such is the kingdom of Heaven
Luke 7:1ff - just say the word, and let my servant be healed
Luke 18:15-17 - people were bringing even infants to him … whoever does not accept the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it."
John 3:5; Mark 16:16 - (No one enters heaven without baptism of water and spirit)
Acts 16:15 - (Paul and Silas baptize Lydia and her whole household)
Acts 16:30-33 - (Paul and Silas baptize a prison guard and his whole family)
Acts 18:8 - (Crispus, his family, and other Corinthians are baptized)
Romans 5:18-19 - all are born with Adam’s sin and need baptism
1 Corinthians 1:16 - “I baptized the household of Stephanas”
Colossians 2:11-12 - baptism has replaced circumcision
See also: - Mark 10:13-16, Luke 18:15, Acts 2:39, 1 Corinthians 15:22
St. Hippolytus of Rome (c. 215AD) - “Baptize first the children; and if they can speak for themselves, let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them.” (The Apostolic Tradition 21)
Origen (post 244AD) - “the Church received from the Apostles the tradition of giving baptism also to infants.”(Commentary on Romans 5, 9)
St. Cyprian of Carthage (252AD) - this council Council of Carthage ] condemned the opinion that infants must wait until the eighth day after birth to be baptized, as was the case with circumcision. (St. Cyprian of Carthage, Letter 64 (59), 2)
Is necessary for salvation.
John 3:5 - “No one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit”
Mark 16:16 - “Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved”
Acts 16:30, 33 - “what must I do to be saved? … he and all his family were baptized”
1 Peter 3:21 - “baptism which saves you now.”
See also: - Matthew 28:19, Acts 2:38, Acts 16:15

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