Born Again Virginity

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I think this really depends on circumstances. While some people are comfortable with listening to one’s sexual history, others are not or will always be unhappy comparing themselves to your ex’s.
Actually, I’m not even suggesting that one list and name all “exes” to a potential spouse. Though I’m sure there are couples who have done this.

I simply think that most people who are close enough to marry would rather have SOME idea about this issue. As opposed to no idea at all, even if it’s not “required”.
 
As Catholics, we believe we are not obliged to give information about our sinful past unless it is already public information anyway and this includes sexual sins (and even then, most cases it would be voluntary not obligatory revelation. It’s called the right to a good reputation. I wrote about this for my licentiate in canon law.

That being said, prospective spouses have the right to know if there is potential danger due to STDs, if there are children that one is obligated to support, etc.

For those people who place virginity as a sine qua non condition for marriage, a person who has had relations should disclose it if they have reason to believe the person they are dating does have that condition so that they can make an informed choice. But it is only deceitful behavior (in terms of annulments) if they had reason to believe that concealing their sexual past would be a deal breaker to the fiance.

How do I know this? Being on both sides of the bench for marriage nullity trials in the Church 🙂
The standard isn’t exactly “don’t ask, don’t tell.” If you ask and can’t get an answer, then you do need to be aware that you ought to openly say that it *could *be a deal-breaker, depending on what is concealed.
 
Everyone has been “born again” from something. Your confession is between you and the priest, (and of course God). No need to tell anyone else about it. Its forgiven and forgotten by God so why worry. That’s the great beauty of the Sacrament of Confession. If someone asked me if I did something in my past, I’d tell them it’s none of their business. Since when did we have to start confessing to everyone and anyone. God Bless, Memaw
It’s hard to argue any of that, but what is your perspective (I’m asking politely ;):)) on those who come on here and are upset/heartbroken after learning their spouse wasn’t a virgin after they were married?
 
It’s hard to argue any of that, but what is your perspective (I’m asking politely ;):)) on those who come on here and are upset/heartbroken after learning their spouse wasn’t a virgin after they were married?
Generally speaking, when one person thinks a full background disclosure is necessary to make a decision about marriage and the other person thinks that it is none of anyone’s business to ask for such a disclosure, then either one party gives in or those two people don’t marry each other.

Likewise, if someone says point-blank that they will not marry someone who isn’t a virgin but who won’t admit it and they find their spouse did just that while saying the opposite, then their spouse committed concealment in order to get consent. If the spouse who was mislead truly meant what he or she said, then he or she can’t be held to consent obtained under false pretenses.
 
It’s hard to argue any of that, but what is your perspective (I’m asking politely ;):)) on those who come on here and are upset/heartbroken after learning their spouse wasn’t a virgin after they were married?
You do realize you are referring to a poster who kept insisting, in posts full of capital letters and exclamation marks, that Josh Duggar was obviously an upstanding Christian man, and what he did as a teenager before his marriage was no one’s business, because he’d obviously moved on from it?

Well, assuming you haven’t been living under a rock – that turned out to obviously be NOT true. (And curiously, she has so far had nothing to say about that.)

Now, I am NOT saying it’s impossible to move on from that kind of thing. And if you believe the Duggars, he disclosed his past to his wife and she married him anyway. But the point is that it’s often NOT as easy to move on from sexual sin, and the disordered approach to sex that often leads to sin, as some might think.

That really is the problem, I think. We tend to focus on the actual sinful acts, and not the reason WHY someone fell into sin. If a promiscuous man sees women as mere sexual objects for him to use as tools for masturbation, it’s not enough for him simply to stop having pre-marital sex because he fears Hell, or to please his parents, or perhaps please a girl who doesn’t believe in sex before marriage.

If he doesn’t repent of the underlying attitude, he may be “chaste” until marriage but treat his wife the same, as a sex object. He may indeed wind up committing adultery after marriage. Even if he comes into the marriage without any STDs or children out of wedlock, that does not mean his past is now irrelevant.

On the other hand, if a promiscuous man (or woman) actually recognizes the disordered approach to sexuality that prompted this behavior, realizes that is not God’s plan for sexuality, and repents not only of the sex acts, but of the underlying selfish approach to sex, that person likely does have much less risk of falling into sin again.

This is why I think disclosure is important in order to make an informed choice of marriage partner. Not because everyone needs to know the exact number of sexual partners a prospective spouse has had out of some morbid sense of curiosity. It is NOT about confessing sins as if to a priest. It is about providing relevant information.

ETA: It’s not even just about sex. If someone was really greedy, and had committed financial fraud and was still on the hook to pay back his victims, this also WOULD be relevant to a prospective spouse even if he had repented of and confessed those sins, too. Even though the sin was not in any way committed against the spouse. I am not seeing this as an issue of “confessing sins”, but providing information to allow someone to make an informed choice regarding marriage.
 
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