Bottled Water: Don't Buy It!

[aspawloski4th]

I am not suggesting that. How could you infer such a thing. We should however help the orphan. If that means giving something from our excess or need, or refusing to help the poor, then that is the cost. Helping the orphan, or giving a drink of water to the thirsty is quite meaningful. What do you do, spend your valuable time on that is meaningful. Just asking!

I don’t know what you mean when you use the term liberal nutjob. Is that someone who cares for his neighbor?

OK Ill bite! Liberal nut job means changing everyone’s lifestyle around you thinking it will help others on the planet. You have a better chance of getting struck by lightning in a deep salt mine on a clear day than that working. Most of those poor nations you are thinking of are poor because of despot governments and minorly because people who can’t afford children are having them anyway. Help people directly yes, changing my way of life, no. For many years I worked 2 jobs 65+ hours a week 6 days a week, while taking care of a disabled wife. I think I deserve a few conviences when I’m done with work for the day. I think I deserve a few things I like sometimes when I work that much. I’m most certainly not at work because I like it. I have few few diverse hobbies I like to partake of. If your time is so valueless to you that you have tons to waste on bottling it your self, knock yourself out. I have better things to spend my time on.

 

[grandfather]

Supposedly plastic releases something that acts like estrogen, but yeah, you’d imagine all those hormones from birth control going through the water supply have to have an effect.
What’s the public water treatment folks take on it? And what about other pharmaceuticals that go in the water supply? I wonder how much you can filter out?

The way the hormones get into the rivers is through human waste flushed into the sewer. Women on the pill have the higher levels of hormones in their waste. The chemical is not broken down in municipal sewage treatment. It can be filtered, but it is in a waste stream that contains a million other dissolved and suspended solids. No one is going to filter sewage to remove a single problem molecule. There is no practical solution to this. If they want to save the fish they will have to ban the pill. Liquid separation, waste treatment and filtration is what I do for a living. The environmentalists have been screaming about poisoning waterways for decades. Now if they are serious about it they have to deal with banning the pill. It will not happen. The fish will be sacrificed.

 

[Cracker_Mom]

The way the hormones get into the rivers is through human waste flushed into the sewer. Women on the pill have the higher levels of hormones in their waste. The chemical is not broken down in municipal sewage treatment. It can be filtered, but it is in a waste stream that contains a million other dissolved and suspended solids. No one is going to filter sewage to remove a single problem molecule. There is no practical solution to this. If they want to save the fish they will have to ban the pill. Liquid separation, waste treatment and filtration is what I do for a living. The environmentalists have been screaming about poisoning waterways for decades. Now if they are serious about it they have to deal with banning the pill. It will not happen. The fish will be sacrificed.

Thanks so much for the info.
Well, I’m disturbed by any effect on fish but more concerned about effects on people. How are we affected?
What about the pain meds & the rest of it in the water supply?

 

[grandfather]

OK Ill bite! Liberal nut job means changing everyone’s lifestyle around you thinking it will help others on the planet. You have a better chance of getting struck by lightning in a deep salt mine on a clear day than that working. Most of those poor nations you are thinking of are poor because of despot governments and minorly because people who can’t afford children are having them anyway. Help people directly yes, changing my way of life, no. For many years I worked 2 jobs 65+ hours a week 6 days a week, while taking care of a disabled wife. I think I deserve a few conviences when I’m done with work for the day. I think I deserve a few things I like sometimes when I work that much. I’m most certainly not at work because I like it. I have few few diverse hobbies I like to partake of. If your time is so valueless to you that you have tons to waste on bottling it your self, knock yourself out. I have better things to spend my time on.

The gospel is about changing the way everyone lives. Wouldn’t you agree? Doesn’t Jesus tell us to change, or suffer consequences?

Does it matter that a government is despotic when it comes to helping the poor. Mother Teresa did her work in India with the poor and disregarded the government. What does the government have to do with our charity? The government here is well on the way of becoming despotic. We will still have to live out our lives in faith.

I understand what you think you deserve. I could say I hope you get what you deserve, but I really hope you receive mercy instead.

I do try to help foster change in the world, but I am far from liberal. I have never once voted for a donkey in over forty years of election. We should be charitable, but that does not mean we have to favor government programs. They don’t work. If we personally turn our backs on the poor while we live in luxury however, we are in trouble.

Someone who tries to reach out to the orphan or help the sick is not a liberal nut job. He just might be a genuine Christian.

 

[grandfather]

Thanks so much for the info.
Well, I’m disturbed by any effect on fish but more concerned about effects on people. How are we affected?
What about the pain meds & the rest of it in the water supply?

I don’t know about pain or other medications. They might get broken down more easily. Hormones get passed on. That is why some countries will not import American beef or pork or chicken. The animals are fed growth hormones that are present in the meat. If you are concerned about the effect on people there seems to be a significant one. The rates of auto immune disease are skyrocketing as is autism among children, adhd, etc. A generation ago autism was very rare. It is quite common now. There is no doubt that it is caused by the chemicals that are in our food and water that were non existent two generations ago.

 

[Bill_Cherry]

Supposedly plastic releases something that acts like estrogen, but yeah, you’d imagine all those hormones from birth control going through the water supply have to have an effect.
What’s the public water treatment folks take on it? And what about other pharmaceuticals that go in the water supply? I wonder how much you can filter out?

They can’t filter it. It is actually very old news. All sorts of pharmeceuticals are in our water from cold medicine to mood stabilizers to heart mdicine. Stuff that will mess you up if you don’t need it.

 

[grandfather]

They can’t filter it. It is actually very old news. All sorts of pharmeceuticals are in our water from cold medicine to mood stabilizers to heart mdicine. Stuff that will mess you up if you don’t need it.

My company is looking at doing some work in rural India. The groundwater has quite a lot of chemical/pharmaceutical contamination. We get it all out. You can do that for a small amount of drinking water. You can’t do that with an entire river, or a city’s sewage.

 

[Drawmack]

My company is looking at doing some work in rural India. The groundwater has quite a lot of chemical/pharmaceutical contamination. We get it all out. You can do that for a small amount of drinking water. You can’t do that with an entire river, or a city’s sewage.

I’m thinking that you might know something about this. I heard, recently, of natural sewage treatment plants. My understanding is that they are basically a marsh where you can run sewage in one side and tap clean water from the other. Have you heard of these and do you have any experience or thoughts on them?

 

[Bill_Cherry]

This is interesting. The population controlers are concerned about the environment so they want to limit population. In doing so they do major damage to the environment, but cover it up.

'Zactly!

 

[aspawloski4th]

The gospel is about changing the way everyone lives. Wouldn’t you agree? Doesn’t Jesus tell us to change, or suffer consequences?

Does it matter that a government is despotic when it comes to helping the poor. Mother Teresa did her work in India with the poor and disregarded the government. What does the government have to do with our charity? The government here is well on the way of becoming despotic. We will still have to live out our lives in faith.

I understand what you think you deserve. I could say I hope you get what you deserve, but I really hope you receive mercy instead.

I do try to help foster change in the world, but I am far from liberal. I have never once voted for a donkey in over forty years of election. We should be charitable, but that does not mean we have to favor government programs. They don’t work. If we personally turn our backs on the poor while we live in luxury however, we are in trouble.

Someone who tries to reach out to the orphan or help the sick is not a liberal nut job. He just might be a genuine Christian.

Ok you and I are consrvative, but I take an approach that far more libertarian. You talk about the Gospell being about change. It’s up to me to change my life, not you. I know what I’m capable of, you don’t. For example, most of my charitable causes are niche causes, not the big general types, with the exception of right to life. All charity aside I am not a jansenist. I see nothing wrong with enjoying a few things in life. I earned it. I don’t ask for what Iv’e earned, I take it. Whether or not we drink bottled water or not isn’t going change one thing outside of the USA. I think we need to stop worrieing bout the spec in eachother’s eye, and pay attention to the plank in our own.

 

[Marsha_Adams]

Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything.

If you like bottled water…then good. Just dispose of the plastic properly.

Nilofc:

Thank you for those kind words:thumbsup: I am careful to recycle all my plastic.

 

[grandfather]

I’m thinking that you might know something about this. I heard, recently, of natural sewage treatment plants. My understanding is that they are basically a marsh where you can run sewage in one side and tap clean water from the other. Have you heard of these and do you have any experience or thoughts on them?

All sewage treatment is natural. The conventional ones use ponds full of bacteria to eat up the organics. The artificial wetlands you refer to as natrual do not work. They are staged lagoons with water plants and cat tails that are supposed to use the organics as fertilizer (food) and by the time the waste water exits the system it is ok to go into a river. THey are out of compliance all the time and should be shut down.

Biological systems are easy to upset. Living orgnaisms need to be at the right temperature, pH, moisture, etc. They can get poisoned and die. They grow faster or slower depending on the season and in the winter are dormant. I visited one not long ago and it is dumping filthy water into a very nice river.

 

[thegreypiper]

Do ya notice how stuff like this gets to be so ‘bait n switch’? First we’re told how much better bottled water is, they spend years promoting it, now the very same professional do-gooders that shoved it on us tell us how bad it is because of the bottles.

 

[Bill_Cherry]

Do ya notice how stuff like this gets to be so ‘bait n switch’? First we’re told how much better bottled water is, they spend years promoting it, now the very same professional do-gooders that shoved it on us tell us how bad it is because of the bottles.

Was it the “do-gooders” (as you so eloquently put it) or was it the manufacturers of the bottled water who convinced the public to buy it?

 

[Marsha_Adams]

Was it the “do-gooders” (as you so eloquently put it) or was it the manufacturers of the bottled water who convinced the public to buy it?

Many times as part of a hazardous waste clean-up, U.S. EPA requires the responsible parties to pay for battled water for all the effected residents and pets to drink, cook, and bathe. Now what is important to remember here is that until U.S. EPS discovered there was a problem and studied it everybody was drinking, cooking and bathing in tap water that was full of carcinogens.

 

[Bill_Cherry]

Many times as part of a hazardous waste clean-up, U.S. EPA requires the responsible parties to pay for battled water for all the effected residents and pets to drink, cook, and bathe. Now what is important to remember here is that until U.S. EPS discovered there was a problem and studied it everybody was drinking, cooking and bathing in tap water that was full of carcinogens.

**I am not suggesting that bottled water is bad.There are times when it is convenient and even necessary. Such as the scenarios you mention. But, one must also take into account the gullibility of the general public when it comes to merchandising/sales tactics. I am just as much a buyer of the occasional bottle of water as many other people. **

 

[grandfather]

**I am not suggesting that bottled water is bad.There are times when it is convenient and even necessary. Such as the scenarios you mention. But, one must also take into account the gullibility of the general public when it comes to merchandising/sales tactics. I am just as much a buyer of the occasional bottle of water as many other people. **

When there is an emergency or disaster and a city or population group is threatened and needs aid, such as in an earthquake, hurricane, tsunami, flood, relief agencies fly in and truck in aid supplies in the form of emergency relief.

Half of what we all need to stay alive everyday, in cube and weight, is water. We use it for personal hydration and sanitation, washing bodies and clothes and dishes and other things. The UN says the minimum daily requirement is 15 gallons per day. For hydration it is between 3 and 6 liters.

In the tsunami in the Pacific a few years ago, the U.S. Navy alone, lifted from aircraft carriers, almost 800,000 tons of relief supplies in three weeks to affected areas. Half of that was water. Thank God for it. It saved many lives. The cost was enormous. THe EPA responds to emergencies by trucking bottled water.

I was at Hurrican Rita that hit Beaumont, TX. I left DFW in a car heading for Beaumont as the hurrican hit, to bring water filtration equipment, to relieve the logistics burden. It is easier and cheaper to take contaminated water and make it potable, than haul it a thousand miles from logistics centers.

I stopped in Dallas to buy a case of bottled water, knowing it would be scarce in the hurrican area. A dozen pints of water cost $23 in Dallas a long days drive from Beaumont. When there is an emergency any help is good and at any cost. When things are normal we should use resources responsibly.

We were also at Hurricane Katrina and provided the National Guard with systems that allowed them to drink the water out of the streets. That cuts in half the logistics burden. That means instead of 100 helicopters you need 50, or the other 50 can carry other needed goods.

In normal circumstances bottled water is a luxury of a very rich society. THings are going to change.

 

[daeve]

For the third time, this is not a valid across the board argument. I GET BOTTLED WATER FOR FREE.

I’m just getting started on this thread, so if this has already been asked, I’m sorry.

How do you happen to get bottled water free? Does your community provide it or do you or someone you know work for the company?

For the lady in TX: I have a couple 32 ounce Rubbermaid bottles with flip tops. I got them for $2 each. I go to an outdoor theatre in the summer, and it can be very hot and really humid in St. Louis, although not this year. I put a few ounces in the bottles, stick them in the freezer, then when we’re ready to leave I fill the bottle with tap water. This has worked very well for me, and it keeps the water nice and cold. A friend who hikes suggested this many years ago. He lays the bottles down so there’s long stick of ice. There’s not room in my freezer for that. The theatre does sell water but it’s $3.25, same as soda. Ridiculous either way.

What about soda bottles? Aren’t those as bad for the environment as water bottles? Would cans be better?

 

[Drawmack]

How do you happen to get bottled water free? Does your community provide it or do you or someone you know work for the company?

You’re the first to ask. I know one of the owners.

 

[Drawmack]

I stopped in Dallas to buy a case of bottled water, knowing it would be scarce in the hurrican area. A dozen pints of water cost $23 in Dallas a long days drive from Beaumont. When there is an emergency any help is good and at any cost. When things are normal we should use resources responsibly.

If no one in the general public purchased bottled water would that store have had bottled water on their shelves for you to buy for the disaster area?

If no one in the general public purchased bottled water would there be bottled water to ship into disaster areas around the world?