Bowing at the names of Jesus, Mary, and Joseph

[glendab]

Well Hello Elizium!

Yet it is required by the rubrics since before the reforms of the Mass of Paul VI. The problem is that the faithful are never catechized about this during their Religious Education classes, sacramental preparation, instruction on the sacred liturgy, or anything. So they grow to adulthood not doing it, and pass this ignorance on to their children and their children as well. It takes someone reading the GIRM to notice that this is required and begin doing it as a necessary thing.

Our pastor has published these rubrics in the church bulletin twice now, and still I am the only person doing it (not even our priests or altar servers.)

You are very, very, very lucky to have a Pastor the even cares about reverence. I some times have to close my eyes and bow my head to keep from looking at some of the silliness that goes on at the Altar during Mass. It gets my goat sometimes to see the Blessed Sacrament handled like a bowl of potato chips. It really does get that bad.

If you tried to get my current Pastor to do something like print rubrics to follow for reverence at Mass in the bulletin, you’d get laughed at or treated like you were totally insane and get a nice pat on the head. No, reverence isn’t a high priority where I’m at right now.

Sorry for complaining.

Glenda

 

[MaryT777]

Hey there Miserissima.

I got the instruction from someone in the Holy Name Society way back when I was a new Catholic a little old Italian lady at a near-by parish I visited. She was really nice. It is done out of reverence for the names of Jesus Christ, the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Saint whose feast day it is. You simply bow your head **when **you hear those names and they have to be said exactly that way - Jesus Christ, Blessed Virgin Mary, Saint Joseph, etc not Jesus or the Holy Mother, or Joseph most chaste spouse, etc. and the reason being is that there is an Indulgence each time you honor the names. **** The actually Indulgences were obtain by the Dominicans who founded the Holy Name Society and they get renewed. It used to be a 300 days Indulgence each time you bowed your head, but I think it is now just a Partial Indulgence, non-specific.

You could find out more by contacting them. I bet they’re on-line somewhere.

Glenda

Glenda thanks for the specifics of the exact way the name must be said to obtain an indulgence.
Mary.

 

[Elizium23]

Glenda thanks for the specifics of the exact way the name must be said to obtain an indulgence.
Mary.

There is no indulgence for this reverence as it is not listed in the Enchiridion.

There is also no rubric to bow the head at the name of Saint Joseph at every Mass, it should only have been done today as the Solemnity of St. Joseph.

 

[sancte_joseph]

I’m not sure who taught me this but yes I try to bow at the names of Jesus and Mary and Joseph (can you tell he is my patron saint), and Andrew my parish saint (even if I’m visiting another church). It may not be required but ya know it’s just a sign of respect. If the sermon has a lot of Jesus in it I just try and bow for the first few and then stop. I’m sure our Lord gets the point.

 

[Elizium23]

Bowing at the name of Joseph is not compulsory, per the quote of the GIRM, except for days such as today, which was a Solemnity dedicated to him. As the Saint of the Day he would warrant a bow of the head today, but not on other days.

 

[Brandon_Cal]

I’ve attended somewhere between 20-30 EF Masses and I’ve only noticed consistency in two instances:

• bowed head at the Doxology (Gloria Patri…)
• bowed head at “Jesus Christ” in the Gloria

All other cases mentioned above I’ve rarely seen anyone bow their head at. I couldn’t imagine doing it during the Sermon when you have no idea when and how frequently the Holy Name of Jesus will come up. I’ve never seen it done in the OF, though oddly enough I have seen it consistently done at the Doxology in the Liturgy of the Hours at certain parishes.

Are those instructions in the GIRM descriptive or prescriptive?

 

[Elizium23]

All liturgical law is prescriptive. It’s just that no RCIA teacher or DRE in the past 50 years has actually read the GIRM.

 

[Brandon_Cal]

Does that part of the GIRM apply to any and all liturgies (and all parts of liturgies) or only some liturgies/some parts of the Mass? I ask only because I find it incredible that one would be expected to bow his head every single time Jesus, Mary, or the Saint of the day is mentioned outside of the Ordo (especially so within the Sermon).

 

[Elizium23]

Don’t forget the Trinity as well.

Yes, it applies to the Mass, in the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, from the Introit and Introductory Rites up to the Dismissal.

 

[felsguy]

All liturgical law is prescriptive. It’s just that no RCIA teacher or DRE in the past 50 years has actually read the GIRM.

Why, that’s terrible. Not a single one!.:nope:

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[BernadetteM]

In all the Anglican Use or Ordinariate Masses I have attended, one bows their head at the names of Jesus, BVM and the saint of the day. Also at the Glory Be. The priest also bows his head and if wearing a biretta, lifts it slightly off his head at the name of Jesus.

I must admit that there is much bowing and genuflecting during these masses, however, if becomes very natural in time to show respect to our Lord, Holy Trinity, BVM and the saints.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

 

[TimothyH]

Keep your head bowed during the whole Mass. Problem solved.

-Tim-

 

[Rich_C]

In all the Anglican Use or Ordinariate Masses I have attended, one bows their head at the names of Jesus, BVM and the saint of the day. Also at the Glory Be. The priest also bows his head and if wearing a biretta, lifts it slightly off his head at the name of Jesus.

I must admit that there is much bowing and genuflecting during these masses, however, if becomes very natural in time to show respect to our Lord, Holy Trinity, BVM and the saints.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

We do the same thing at my parish’s Latin Mass. When they re-read the epistle and Gospel in English before the sermon, all the clergy removed their birettas at the mention of the Holy Name. Sometimes they have to keep their hands on their hats the whole time just to keep up (usually that’s what father just puts his hat down for the rest of the reading, haha)

 

[cheezey]

All liturgical law is prescriptive. It’s just that no RCIA teacher or DRE in the past 50 years has actually read the GIRM.

certainly not at my former parish…
One would think this to be a top mention in RCIA, like in class 2…
This was never mentioned. At all.

I tend to keep my eyes fixed upon Him, which means I am looking up.
No one said anything. No one.
Partly why it is my former parish, unfortunately.

 

[BernadetteM]

We do the same thing at my parish’s Latin Mass. When they re-read the epistle and Gospel in English before the sermon, all the clergy removed their birettas at the mention of the Holy Name. Sometimes they have to keep their hands on their hats the whole time just to keep up (usually that’s what father just puts his hat down for the rest of the reading, haha)

Many of the Anglican Traditions/Patrimony (from Anglo Catholics) were started during the Oxford Movement and John Henry Newman. There is much from the EF that is included in the liturgy, except it is in English, however, sometimes parts are done in Latin.

Thank the CDF for allowing them to bring back so many traditions and prayers into the New Ordinariate Mass. Of course these parishes have been given a choice on other forms and I think this is because in England the Anglicans followed Rome with the OF for many years and are like many Catholics in the US, use to that liturgy. However, there are still some Anglican traditions included from my understanding and several parishes there use the same one used by the US Ordinariate parishes.

The Ordinariate Mass can include the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar, the Asperges Me, the Last Gospel, and the Angelus or the proper Marian prayers are said or sung at the end of Mass.

God Bless

Bernadette

 

[Brandon_Cal]

Hey there Miserissima.

I got the instruction from someone in the Holy Name Society way back when I was a new Catholic a little old Italian lady at a near-by parish I visited. She was really nice. It is done out of reverence for the names of Jesus Christ, the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Saint whose feast day it is. You simply bow your head when you hear those names and they have to be said exactly that way - Jesus Christ, Blessed Virgin Mary, Saint Joseph, etc not Jesus or the Holy Mother, or Joseph most chaste spouse, etc. and the reason being is that there is an Indulgence each time you honor the names. The actually Indulgences were obtain by the Dominicans who founded the Holy Name Society and they get renewed. It used to be a 300 days Indulgence each time you bowed your head, but I think it is now just a Partial Indulgence, non-specific.

You could find out more by contacting them. I bet they’re on-line somewhere.

Glenda

That’s interesting. There was once a young woman in my lab who was a devout Catholic. She would bow her head at the name of “Jesus” (not just “Jesus Christ”) whenever someone used the name in a profane way. She’d also mumble something under her breath in Latin. It never occurred to me that she might be doing this.

 

[Rich_C]

Many of the Anglican Traditions/Patrimony (from Anglo Catholics) were started during the Oxford Movement and John Henry Newman. There is much from the EF that is included in the liturgy, except it is in English, however, sometimes parts are done in Latin.

Thank the CDF for allowing them to bring back so many traditions and prayers into the New Ordinariate Mass. Of course these parishes have been given a choice on other forms and I think this is because in England the Anglicans followed Rome with the OF for many years and are like many Catholics in the US, use to that liturgy. However, there are still some Anglican traditions included from my understanding and several parishes there use the same one used by the US Ordinariate parishes.

The Ordinariate Mass can include the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar, the Asperges Me, the Last Gospel, and the Angelus or the proper Marian prayers are said or sung at the end of Mass.

God Bless

Bernadette

I have been to a number of Anglican Use Masses and services since last Holy Week. Sometimes it felt very much like being at a Tridentine Mass, just in English. Other times, I felt the distinct English cultural impressions more, like lots of singing (my heritage is Irish, so that’s not really my thing ). Almost all the former Anglican priests I have met know how to say the TLM, and said it was easy to learn once they mastered the Latin, because of the similarities with the Anglo-Catholic “High Mass.” I’m very glad to have them in the Church.

 

[johnmann]

You simply bow your head when you hear those names and they have to be said exactly that way - Jesus Christ, Blessed Virgin Mary, Saint Joseph, etc not Jesus or the Holy Mother, or Joseph most chaste spouse, etc.

It’s at “Jesus,” “Mary,” and “Joseph.”

Also “the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,” but the only times the trinity is spelled out that way is at the greeting, dismissal, the Gloria Patri if they’re used in the propers, and rarely in the readings or homily.

 

[Elizium23]

It’s at “Jesus,” “Mary,” and “Joseph.”

Also “the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,” but the only times the trinity is spelled out that way is at the greeting, dismissal, the Gloria Patri if they’re used in the propers, and rarely in the readings or homily.

No, it’s not “Joseph”, it’s “” so on March 17 it was “Patrick”, on the 19th it was “Joseph”, and on April 29 it will be “Catherine”. We don’t bow our heads at the mention of “Joseph” on days that we are not celebrating his feast. (March 19/May 1).

 

[jja619]

In a similar vein to this topic, I’ve noticed that the priest at the local university, in addition to bowing his head at the mention of Jesus, Mary, and the Saint of the Day, also bows his head when he mentions “Francis, our Pope” during the Eucharistic Prayers. Is this a personal practice of his, or is it also done elsewhere among the more traditional crowd?