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cheap shot!
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Church_Militant
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How can you possibly know? You can’t. Don’t make such assumptions and see my list of 17 OT references that entail far more than we do. You can’t tell me that you see the Bible as your sole rule of faith and yet reject these passages and all the others like them in order to condemn our acts of reverence?
See post 19.
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Funky_Cedars
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somehow this doesn’t ring true. you have been told by several folks that they do not worship the pope, one even asks why they would deny it if they did. yet you reject their description of what they are doing and decide they indeed do worship him. you even call their denial of worshipping, their describing what they are doing, as streching the truth moreso than you’ve ever seen. yet, you claim to have come here with an open mind???
i will pray for your spouse and children, if there are any, who must deal regularly with you knowing without a doubt why they did something, even if they think it was for another reason.
Christ is risen!!
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Christian4life
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Well I read this again and I THINK I sort of understand where you all are coming from now. I mean if you are talking about the OT where people bowed before kings and that was alright because at that point the king was like an archetype of Christ on earth. Which would make sense in the context of the Pope since many Catholics consider him in the same way, and the same thing would apply assuming it is the case.
I could’ve figured that out sooner if I hadn’t been distracted by all your mean posts calling me childish. You big meanies.
So I gotta go get my baby out of her crib now and apparently go accuse her of having insidious motives behind her actions, since that is after all, what I do.
I could’ve figured that out sooner if I hadn’t been distracted by all your mean posts calling me childish. You big meanies.
So I gotta go get my baby out of her crib now and apparently go accuse her of having insidious motives behind her actions, since that is after all, what I do.
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hlgomez
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Christian4life,
Your argument regarding worship is the same old lie of Sola Scripturists. Protestants who are like-minded as you love to quote Sacred Scripture passages and then throw it all on us to condemn us while neglecting other passages that have the same words written. We should call you “Cafeteria Protestants.”
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Your argument regarding worship is the same old lie of Sola Scripturists. Protestants who are like-minded as you love to quote Sacred Scripture passages and then throw it all on us to condemn us while neglecting other passages that have the same words written. We should call you “Cafeteria Protestants.”
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Ignatius
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You are kidding, right? Even in this country, people bowed to each other as a simple matter of courtesy and respect clear into the 20th century. However, since there is no longer any courtesy or respect, the practice has fallen into disuse.
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Joseph_Bilodeau
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Apparently, by your own admission, you can not tell the difference:
see any difference. If they love him that much to bow down to him…that seems like worship to me. How could it not be? You’re giving that person an amount of respect and honor that is for God only…*
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Jew_Man_73
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Maybe if you had been more respectful everyone else would have.Well I read this again and I THINK I sort of understand where you all are coming from now. I mean if you are talking about the OT where people bowed before kings and that was alright because at that point the king was like an archetype of Christ on earth. Which would make sense in the context of the Pope since many Catholics consider him in the same way, and the same thing would apply assuming it is the case.
I could’ve figured that out sooner if I hadn’t been distracted by all your mean posts calling me childish. You big meanies.
So I gotta go get my baby out of her crib now and apparently go accuse her of having insidious motives behind her actions, since that is after all, what I do.
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Jew_Man_73
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Funky Cedars:
You’re absolutely right. Her statement doesn’t ring true. Even after many posters tried to explain it to her, she was still antagonistic.
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Jew_Man_73
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If you had any knowledge of church history whatsoever, you’d realize that the only true church is the Catholic Church, and that all Protestant denominations and sects abbandoned the one true church and threw out centuries of Orthodox, historical Christian theology. You’re here to antagonize. I’ll pray for you.
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Jew_Man_73
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The same can definitely be said for you. You obviously know nothing about the Catholic faith.
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PJR
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It may seem like undo reverence to someone who doesn’t understand or believe in 1. The Church- Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture and Sacred Magisterium- contain the fullness of truth regarding faith and morals 2. The Pope, is the Vicar of Christ on earth, in direct line from Peter.
We believe what Jesus said when he told Peter, “…whatever you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven…” and we believe that Pope Benedict XVI now holds those keys.
We believe there is one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church with a history 2005 years old and the Holy Spirit protects Her from teaching error regarding faith and morals.
We believe in a sacrificial priesthood and 7 sacraments, instituted by Christ, without which, we would not have the pretty awesome gift of having Christ, truly present in the Eucharist. This also allows us to be made present at the once for all sacrifice of Christ and offer ourselves as " …a kingdom of priests, a holy nation,…" So we honor the wonders of Apostolic Succession and the fact that our Holy Orders can be traced back through that much time.
Considering the significance-spiritually, historically-of getting a new pope, why would we not bow before him and in honor of the tasks ahead of him, as he leads Christ’s Church on earth.
For we also believed Jesus when he said, “…whoever hears you hears me…” We are waiting for what he has to say.
You know what he said after that.
God Bless, Paula
Christian4life:
We believe what Jesus said when he told Peter, “…whatever you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven…” and we believe that Pope Benedict XVI now holds those keys.
We believe there is one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church with a history 2005 years old and the Holy Spirit protects Her from teaching error regarding faith and morals.
We believe in a sacrificial priesthood and 7 sacraments, instituted by Christ, without which, we would not have the pretty awesome gift of having Christ, truly present in the Eucharist. This also allows us to be made present at the once for all sacrifice of Christ and offer ourselves as " …a kingdom of priests, a holy nation,…" So we honor the wonders of Apostolic Succession and the fact that our Holy Orders can be traced back through that much time.
Considering the significance-spiritually, historically-of getting a new pope, why would we not bow before him and in honor of the tasks ahead of him, as he leads Christ’s Church on earth.
For we also believed Jesus when he said, “…whoever hears you hears me…” We are waiting for what he has to say.
You know what he said after that.
God Bless, Paula
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Eden
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If you believed that the pope was the successor to Peter that the Holy Spirit had chosen to be Christ’s shepherd on earth, would you bow to him? To bow before the pope is to acknowledge that it is the will of the Holy Spirit that he be a visible representative of Christ’s message on earth. By bowing one shows reverence to the Holy Spirit’s design. I understand why it would seem like worship if I were to bow before a Protestant minister as there is not that direct connection to the Holy Spirit’s divine hand.
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gusano
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When one compares; Jn.13:34,35…
"I give you a new commandment: Love one another.
Such as my love has been for you,
so must your love be for each other.
This is how all will know you are my disciples:
your love for one another."
…to what your fear as “going too far”…it becomes very clear.
It is simply the fear of getting caught… “being too generous.”
If you loved Cardinal Ratzinger (a holy person) MORE than Christ loves that holy person…then I would say you may have gone too far !
but as it is, you have a long way to go before you can love another (any other) such as my love has been for you
That kind of fear is not from God.
Besides, I think God can handle it, if we love someone “more than he’s due”…
Isn’t that exactly how HE loves each one of us ?
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Christian4life
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Actually I have a lot of knowledge about the church’s history. But unlike some people I have looked at BOTH sides, not just what the Catholic church says. So I know about some of the corruption in the past, and present for that matter. But no I’m not here to antagonize, I am simply looking for the truth.
And as for being respectful, I find it funny that I have only ever been treated unkindly on these forums when I posted something that you all don’t agree with.
So let me get this straight:
Respectful = agreeing with you on everything.
Disrespectful = disagreeing with you on one thing.
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Christian4life
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Umm…Okay but I"m just curious, by that logic, IS there ever a point where you are worshipping someone instead of loving them?When one compares; Jn.13:34,35…
"I give you a new commandment: Love one another.
**Such as my love has been for you, **
so must your love be for each other.
This is how all will know you are my disciples:
your love for one another."
…to what your fear as “going too far”…it becomes very clear.
It is simply the fear of getting caught… “being too generous.”
If you loved Cardinal Ratzinger (a holy person) MORE than Christ loves that holy person…then I would say you may have gone too far !
but as it is, you have a long way to go before you can love another (any other) such as my love has been for you
That kind of fear is not from God.
Besides, I think God can handle it, if we love someone “more than he’s due”…
Isn’t that exactly how HE loves each one of us ?
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Christian4life
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Yeah, and you are really making me want to learn more with your snide comments and insults. Gee, I hope to be more like you, then I’d be a TRUE Christian!!!
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Eden
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Is there a point where you can be worshipping someone rather than loving them? Yes. But not the pope. The pope is implicitly Christ’s representative on earth. It is very clear to see that both John Paul II and Benedict XVI radiate Christ’s love. Pope John Paul II had taken Christ so completely into his heart that Christ shone through him. At his funeral that love was returned dramatically. It is not possible to “worship” a pope who is a holy shepherd. The only worship going on there is of Christ himself.
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