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melensdad
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You’re right! I was just in the TARGET store and there are Pink Ribbon products featured on many of the end caps to highlight them.
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Bella3502
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Today there was another “Pink Ribbon” 5k!! And there were quite a few Catholic women there, so I don’t buy the “faithful Catholics don’t participate” drivel.
Breast cancer doesn’t care what religion you practice.
Breast cancer doesn’t care what religion you practice.
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maria29
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Does this mean that people shouldn’t go to any hospitals that recieves funds from the foundation either? I don’t like that they give to PP either which is why I show my disapproval by writing a letter.
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Katie1723
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Cancer PERIOD doesn’t care. And I will support the SKF.
I have friends who are still here in part because of them.
Kathy
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Katie1723
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That’s right. Go to a Catholic only hospital. Staffed by Catholic only physicians and nurses. And make sure the all the little old ladies in the gift shop and the cafeteria are Catholic only.
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Philothea53
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Don’t be silly. You have skewed the issue. The disapproval with Susan G. Komen donating money to Planned Parenthood is because Planned Parenthood is in the business of ABORTION and Komen is well aware of the link between breast cancer and abortion. If Komen is donating to a hospital that does abortions, then yes, they should be avoided also.
Writing a letter is a good thing, but in the end, the disapproval that any business or corporation listens to the most is the lack of income coming their way. Remember, it is the love of money that is the root of evil.
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melensdad
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I’m sorry I don’t understand. What exactly does the Komen Foundation do other than collect money and then redistribute it to cancer researchers? Are there not many other organizations, like the American Cancer Society, that do the same thing and don’t donate to abortion clinics? How exactly are your friends still alive because of the actions of the Koman Foundation? When my mom was dying, I never saw anything from the Koman Foundation but got plenty of information from the American Cancer Society.
I’m sure many Catholic women attended. How many of them are aware of the fact that the Komen Foundation supports abortion clinics? I consider myself a reasonably aware Catholic and had no idea that the Komen Foundation supported Planned Parenthood. My parish priest is very Pro-Life but has never mentioned this point.
I would suggest that there are many “faithful Catholics” who have no idea that the Komen Foundation supports abortion clinics and, I’d also bet that if they were aware, many would be shocked.
While the Komen Foundation may be doing some very good things by raising awareness for breast cancer, and therefore raising money for research and treatment, it is also doing great evil by supporting abortionists. My personal opinion is we should send letters to the Komen Foundation requesting they stop funding Planned Parenthood. And those of us who have had our lives touched by this disease should direct our donations to the American Cancer Society instead of the Komen Foundation.
FWIW, breast cancer took my mother’s life and** now that I know what the Komen Foundation supports**, I won’t support the Komen Foundation. But I certainly support cancer research.
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ElizabethPH
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How do you know they were Catholic and how do you know they 'know about Komen supporting PP
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Klydewannab
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I’m glad to see this link, because I think most people are unaware of ANY research that has been done showing a link between abortion and breast cancer, or artificial hormone use and breast cancer.
To me, it is similar to what happened with the tobacco industry. First it was, “No, cigarettes don’t CAUSE cancer. The research doesn’t show it CAUSES cancer.” Then everyone began to believe there might be a link to smoking and cancer. Finally, the tobacco industry had to agree that smoking and cancer were linked.
With the tobacco industry, lobbyist and special interest groups tried to cover up important information, but it was grass roots efforts that brought the information to the eyes of the public at large. A lot of people didn’t buy the tobacco/ cancer connection at first, and some still don’t. That doesn’t mean you quit.
I wish I could carry something the size of a business card that shows the serious concern scientist have over a possible breast/ cancer abortion link and how hormone based contraceptives can act as abortifacents and also possibly lead to breast cancer. I love to see a logo for this grass roots movement that shows the circular logic of giving to a foundation who researches a cure for breast cancer yet gives money to a group whose actions may very well be causing breast cancer.
It should also provide the name of other foundations or research groups that are trying to “find a cure” without aiding something that causes the disease.
Any ideas? I’ve tried to come up with one, but I just am not gifted with that talent. If I had a card like that, I’d be leaving it with the manager of every store that had “pink ribbon” products, as well as friends and neighbors.
I think this is the way to get people who are pro-life to also step away from the Komen foundation, unless they quit funding PP.
Well, that’s my :twocents:
To me, it is similar to what happened with the tobacco industry. First it was, “No, cigarettes don’t CAUSE cancer. The research doesn’t show it CAUSES cancer.” Then everyone began to believe there might be a link to smoking and cancer. Finally, the tobacco industry had to agree that smoking and cancer were linked.
With the tobacco industry, lobbyist and special interest groups tried to cover up important information, but it was grass roots efforts that brought the information to the eyes of the public at large. A lot of people didn’t buy the tobacco/ cancer connection at first, and some still don’t. That doesn’t mean you quit.
I wish I could carry something the size of a business card that shows the serious concern scientist have over a possible breast/ cancer abortion link and how hormone based contraceptives can act as abortifacents and also possibly lead to breast cancer. I love to see a logo for this grass roots movement that shows the circular logic of giving to a foundation who researches a cure for breast cancer yet gives money to a group whose actions may very well be causing breast cancer.
It should also provide the name of other foundations or research groups that are trying to “find a cure” without aiding something that causes the disease.
Any ideas? I’ve tried to come up with one, but I just am not gifted with that talent. If I had a card like that, I’d be leaving it with the manager of every store that had “pink ribbon” products, as well as friends and neighbors.
I think this is the way to get people who are pro-life to also step away from the Komen foundation, unless they quit funding PP.
Well, that’s my :twocents:
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KarenNC
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Does the American Cancer Society then refuse to provide funds to hospitals that also provide abortions? Have you checked the affiliation of every doctor that the ACS has ever given money to to make sure that they don’t work in a hospital that also provides abortions? Do any of them work at universities that receive government funds? Medicaid pays for some abortions and is also funded by the US government.
Planned Parenthood is not the only organization out there that provides abortions or means of birth control.
The Komen Foundation is not giving money to Planned Parenthood to fund abortions. It is giving money to them to do breast cancer education, screening and prevention. The two are not synonymous just because they are services provided by the same agency.
If one of your benchmarks is that the organization state that abortion causes breast cancer, you are also going to have to keep looking. From the American Cancer Society website:
cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_6x_Can_Having_an_Abortion_Cause_or_Contribute_to_Breast_Cancer.asp
“Still, the public is not well-served by false alarms and at the present time, the scientific evidence does not support a causal association between induced abortion and breast cancer.”
Planned Parenthood is not the only organization out there that provides abortions or means of birth control.
The Komen Foundation is not giving money to Planned Parenthood to fund abortions. It is giving money to them to do breast cancer education, screening and prevention. The two are not synonymous just because they are services provided by the same agency.
If one of your benchmarks is that the organization state that abortion causes breast cancer, you are also going to have to keep looking. From the American Cancer Society website:
cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_6x_Can_Having_an_Abortion_Cause_or_Contribute_to_Breast_Cancer.asp
“Still, the public is not well-served by false alarms and at the present time, the scientific evidence does not support a causal association between induced abortion and breast cancer.”
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RyanL
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Don’t forget about the Komen Foundation’s support for Embryonic Stem Cell Research.
Remember: Humans are only worth saving if they can pass an IQ test or run a 50 yard dash. If they can’t, it’s open season.*
God Bless,
RyanL
*This message brought to you by the Culture of Death.
Remember: Humans are only worth saving if they can pass an IQ test or run a 50 yard dash. If they can’t, it’s open season.*
God Bless,
RyanL
*This message brought to you by the Culture of Death.
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Philothea53
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emphasis mine
Yep, just like at one time the public was told that lead in gasoline did not hurt people or the environment and that cigarette smoking was harmless while others were on the sidelines proving differently.
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KarenNC
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You may also want to check out any charity on Charity Navigator.
The American Cancer Society spends 22.5 cents of every dollar they receive for fundraising and another 8.4 cents for administrative costs, leaving only 69 cents of every dollar you give going to actual programs to prevent or cure cancer.
Susan G. Komen has 82.5 cents of every dollar going to support programs to prevent or cure cancer. They spend only 8 cents for fundraising and 9.3 cents for administrative.
www.charitynavigator.org
BTW, note that the American Cancer Society, Cancer Research and Prevention Foundation, North American Brain Tumor Coalition, and the Y-ME National Breast Cancer Organization are also on the list supporting embryonic stem cell research along with the Susan G. Komen Foundation.
If you are going to apply these standards to one group, then in the name of consistency and honesty, you need to subject every other group you might be considering supporting to exactly the same scrutiny. Then you decide which ones are involved in the least number of things you consider objectionable and in what way they are involved. At that point, then you can make an equitable decision as to whether the things you don’t like about them outweigh the good that you see that they do.
Why stop at the charities? Subject the stores at which you shop and all the items which you buy to the same scrutiny. The investments made by the government of the town, state and country in which you live. The portfolio and activities of your religious organization. It is incredibly time consuming and tedious to do this extensive research on everything that touches your life, but much more intellectually honest than simply responding to the loudest and latest cry for a boycott without investigation of the proposed alternatives.
As we have seen with the suggestion to boycott the Komen Foundation and support instead the American Cancer Society, that is operating on emotional response, not actual full information.
It’s all a matter of balance. Most everything is going to have some dimension that is problematic. You have to decide whether that outweighs the potential good. This doesn’t mean that I am saying ignore where groups spend their money, just that I wouldn’t be feeling too righteous about refusing to buy soup with a pink ribbon unless I was also examining just as carefully every other group I support and every other product I buy.
The American Cancer Society spends 22.5 cents of every dollar they receive for fundraising and another 8.4 cents for administrative costs, leaving only 69 cents of every dollar you give going to actual programs to prevent or cure cancer.
Susan G. Komen has 82.5 cents of every dollar going to support programs to prevent or cure cancer. They spend only 8 cents for fundraising and 9.3 cents for administrative.
www.charitynavigator.org
BTW, note that the American Cancer Society, Cancer Research and Prevention Foundation, North American Brain Tumor Coalition, and the Y-ME National Breast Cancer Organization are also on the list supporting embryonic stem cell research along with the Susan G. Komen Foundation.
If you are going to apply these standards to one group, then in the name of consistency and honesty, you need to subject every other group you might be considering supporting to exactly the same scrutiny. Then you decide which ones are involved in the least number of things you consider objectionable and in what way they are involved. At that point, then you can make an equitable decision as to whether the things you don’t like about them outweigh the good that you see that they do.
Why stop at the charities? Subject the stores at which you shop and all the items which you buy to the same scrutiny. The investments made by the government of the town, state and country in which you live. The portfolio and activities of your religious organization. It is incredibly time consuming and tedious to do this extensive research on everything that touches your life, but much more intellectually honest than simply responding to the loudest and latest cry for a boycott without investigation of the proposed alternatives.
As we have seen with the suggestion to boycott the Komen Foundation and support instead the American Cancer Society, that is operating on emotional response, not actual full information.
It’s all a matter of balance. Most everything is going to have some dimension that is problematic. You have to decide whether that outweighs the potential good. This doesn’t mean that I am saying ignore where groups spend their money, just that I wouldn’t be feeling too righteous about refusing to buy soup with a pink ribbon unless I was also examining just as carefully every other group I support and every other product I buy.
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KarenNC
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Thank you for screaming in technicolor. Very helpful.
cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/abortion-miscarriage
page 6 of the Planned Parenthood annual report shows where their money and programs are concentrated so that folks can make an informed decision
plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/Annual_report.pdf
I hope you are subjecting the Breast Cancer Research Foundation to the same level of scrutiny and holding it to the same criteria.
I have no vested interest in which or any charity folks choose to support. I simply find that responding emotinally to whoever screams the loudest without fully checking out the facts is not the most intellectually honest response.
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Philothea53
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Great link. The March of Dimes - for years the darling leading the fight for cures for infantile paralysis (polio) while providing “support for the work of many innovative and practical polio researchers and virologists” and later “to prevent premature birth, birth defects and infant mortality. The organization accomplishes this with programs of research, community services, education, and advocacy.”(Wikipedia)
Through their research amniocentesis became a common tool used in many pregnancies to determine congenital abnormalities which often facilitates the decision to abort “defective” children.
pregnantpause.org/people/modppf.htm
Like Susan Komen, on the surface a noble organization but when one digs just a bit deeper you see they are also promoting the death and destruction of babies in the womb.
(Have you seen anyone with Down Syndrome? No? The March of Dimes has seen to their destruction before birth.)
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st_lucy
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Breast cancer doesn’t care what religion you practice.
No it doesn’t! But obviously SGK foundation doesn’t care if a baby lives or dies either. I come from a family were BC runs rapid. I am sure everyone of them would love to hear exactly how the SGK foundation has helped them. I never once saw a single thing from them but the American Cancer Society did give us a lot.
To me it makes absolutely no sense to support an organization that is taking the money from people who are hoping to find a cure for cancer and than giving it to people who are killing children and giving some of their clients a higher risk of getting cancer.
If you feel that is how you want to spend your money (which makes absolutely no sense) I would not go around bragging that you have helped find the cure for cancer. The money you donated might just as well helped another women get cancer.
I would really like to see a break down on where this money that SGK goes to. It seems so counter productive to say you are looking for a cure for BC and than give a percent of your money to a company that may cause BC. Someone please tell me where is the logic to this train of thought!? And yet there are some here who know this and proudly claim that they will still give to the SGK foundation. These statements really sadden me.
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Philothea53
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And supporting those organizations that scream the loudest without fully checking out the facts and ignoring the evidence when it smacks you right in the face is morally reprehensible.
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Philothea53
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You know, in the final analysis, it really doesn’t matter if only 1/10 of 1% of their total income goes to Planned Parenthood. The fact that they do when #1 Planned Parenthood is in the primary business, in a huge way, of killing babies and #2 when there is sound, apolitical research showing a relationship between abortion and breast cancer.
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st_lucy
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Yeah, I know, but it seems like the SFK foundation is more into making a name for themselves than finding a cure for BC. I mean I remember saying this when my aunt was dying of BC. SGK was everywhere but it didn’t seem like they were anywhere we needed them.
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Philothea53
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You are assuming we haven’t done our research. You are also assuming we don’t try to boycott those businesses that support and promote abortion. This isn’t just a knee-jerk response.
fightpp.org/show.cfm?page=boycott
“Life Decisions International is credited with stopping the Planned Parenthood contributions of 130 corporations since it started monitoring corporate giving and publishing a boycott list. The group estimates it has cost Parenthood more than $35 million since the project began 15 years ago. “This should be a testament to those who believe it is impossible to change corporate philanthropic behavior,” Douglas Scott, LDI’s president, said in a statement provided to LifeNews.com.”
physiciansforlife.org/content/view/1120/2/
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. - Ephesians 5:11
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