Boyfriend did marijuana last night

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Arbitrary???

Why are you even discussing the justification of criminal activity with a 16 year old child?

I hope you stay more than 1000 feet from schools and places where children congregate.

You have no business having any contact with children.
I never said that children including the OP’s boyfriend should use marijuana any more than I believe that children should drink alcohol or smoke tobacco. I’m just disputing the contention of some people that using marijuana is somehow completely different from consuming alcohol or tobacco. They’re all drugs really. Children shouldn’t use any of the three and they are all destructive even for adults, especially if used in excess. None of them are very good for anyone’s health, but I doubt that moderate use of marijuana by an adult is any worse than moderate drinking of alcohol or moderate tobacco use. The fact that one is usually illegal for everyone and the other two aren’t in the case of adults is mostly arbitrary and based on social conventions, not on an objective difference.
 
Pope Francis shares my opinion:

lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-slams-liberalization-of-drug-use-as-catholic-trudeau-campaigns

Not to mention that in most states it is illegal to smoke marijuana. By your comments one gets the impression you are a user so just be sure your “opinion” is not just justification for a behavior you want to continue.

Finally this a thread started by a SIXTEEN year old and it is irresponsible to condone drug use.
I EXPLICITLY stated in the same post that I have NEVER used it nor have any desire to do so. I don’t appreciate the slanderous accusation. I don’t think you read my post at all
Of course minors shouldn’t be using any drug whether it’s weed, alcohol or tobacco. I was simply contesting that it’s a gateway drug. I can’t go to the park or beach without smelling it. As I said, it’s omnipresent where i live. Yet the vast hoards who smoke it typically don’t do other drugs. Of course it can be harmful and I said as much in my post. I simply contested that it’s a gateway drug.
Also I don’t live in the U.S. American culture tends to demonize pot.
 
The Catechism of the Catholic Church says:

2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law.

There are organizations out there to help people quit like Marijuana Anonymous. marijuana-anonymous.org/

People using marijuana often lose interest in everything else. Here are some of the symptoms.

drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/marijuana/short-and-long-term-effects.html
Of course it can be harmful. So can alcohol. Alcohol destroys families and takes lives every day. Yet the Catechism allows for the moderate use of alcohol and tobacco. They are also drugs. My point was- has the Church definitively ruled which drugs fall into which category?
 
Of course it can be harmful. So can alcohol. Alcohol destroys families and takes lives every day. Yet the Catechism allows for the moderate use of alcohol and tobacco. They are also drugs. My point was- has the Church definitively ruled which drugs fall into which category?
Marijuana has not be excluded by the Church as a treatment for disease or mental disorders, etc. Having said that, when it is used on a recreational basis, the object of use is usually a state of neurological impairment. It is not morally permissible to use alcohol with the goal of becoming impaired (i.e., drunk). Likewise, it is not OK to use marijuana with the intention of getting stoned–that is, to a state of “drunkenness”–even where it is legal to do so. That does not mean it is always a mortal sin to use mind-altering substances to the point of impairment, but it does mean it isn’t a legitimate use. (Of course it would be a mortal sin to negligently risk other people’s lives by drinking or using and then driving or assuming some other serious position of responsibility, for instance.)

If memory serves correctly, however, marijuana was illegal in every country when the last Catechism was promulgated, even though there were places where illegal use was widely tolerated by civil authorities.

Of course, oxycontin is legal if you have a script for it. That doesn’t mean a teen with that has a bottle of it from the pharmacy with his name on it could not immorally use it as a substance of abuse. If my boyfriend tried that stunt twice, I’d drop him.
 
Marijuana has not be excluded by the Church as a treatment for disease or mental disorders, etc. Having said that, when it is used on a recreational basis, the object of use is usually a state of neurological impairment. It is not morally permissible to use alcohol with the goal of becoming impaired (i.e., drunk). Likewise, it is not OK to use marijuana with the intention of getting stoned–that is, to a state of “drunkenness”–even where it is legal to do so. That does not mean it is always a mortal sin to use mind-altering substances to the point of impairment, but it does mean it isn’t a legitimate use. (Of course it would be a mortal sin to negligently risk other people’s lives by drinking or using and then driving or assuming some other serious position of responsibility, for instance.)

If memory serves correctly, however, marijuana was illegal in every country when the last Catechism was promulgated, even though there were places where illegal use was widely tolerated by civil authorities.

Of course, oxycontin is legal if you have a script for it. That doesn’t mean a teen with that has a bottle of it from the pharmacy with his name on it could not immorally use it as a substance of abuse. If my boyfriend tried that stunt twice, I’d drop him.
That is an excellent answer. Any chance there is a translation or version that will make sense to marijuana proponents?😉
 
That is an excellent answer. Any chance there is a translation or version that will make sense to marijuana proponents?😉
:rotfl:

(And I know twf protested this earlier in the thread, but in my experience the Venn Diagram of marijuana users and those who push for its legalization very nearly forms a single perfect circle. With that in mind, the answer to your question is going to be…probably not. :p)
 
Let’s be clear here that marijuana is a gateway drug and absolutely not condoned by the Church unless for medical reasons under the supervision of a doctor.

Alcohol is acceptable for people of age who use it responsibly and moderately.

Let’s not confuse teenagers on the morality of these issues please.
So alcohol is morally acceptable, even though a person can easily drink enough to cause death? And weed isn’t acceptable, even though you’d have to smoke 680 kilos to kill yourself (or eat 22 kilos).

Can you cite rising hard drug abuse (heroin, meth, cocaine, etc) in Colorado? 🤷
 
The Catechism of the Catholic Church says:

2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law.

There are organizations out there to help people quit like Marijuana Anonymous. marijuana-anonymous.org/

People using marijuana often lose interest in everything else. Here are some of the symptoms.

drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/marijuana/short-and-long-term-effects.html
Alcohol, caffeine, and nicotine are drugs…but I can go buy those at the gas station.:rolleyes:
 
No. That s just an irresponsible opinion.
  1. Regardless of state legalization it is against federal US law.
  2. The persons in question are minors. Again in states where it is legal the age is 21. So it is not legal for a 17 year old.
  3. Legality is not the whole of the morality.
  4. Because something is arguably worse, does not make the other thing better.
    5 even in California for medical reasons the op’s boyfriend would have to pony up a sizable amount of money and doctors are reluctant to prescribe to minors, barring serious (like cancer serious) health issues. If the op’s boyfriend was being treated for cancer I doubt she would stop him.
  5. I hear all the time how “harmless” this drug is except millions of people have given up freedom by being incarcerated, professional sports careers, families have been torn apart, scholarships lost. Jobs lost… Children taken from parents all from this supposed harmless non addictive natural piece of heaven…:rolleyes:
Just a bad position all the way around…
So states shouldn’t have the right to decide what’s best for their citizens?
 
Arbitrary???

Why are you even discussing the justification of criminal activity with a 16 year old child?

I hope you stay more than 1000 feet from schools and places where children congregate.

You have no business having any contact with children.
Now that you’ve shown you can exceedingly rude to a fellow poster, do you feel better?
 
That is an excellent answer. Any chance there is a translation or version that will make sense to marijuana proponents?😉
I love the implication of stupidity on the part of all those that disagree with you. Definitely moves the conversation forward.

You go to confession every time you feel a buzz from alcohol? Probably not.
 
Should counties have that right?

How about with cocaine, should states legalize that?
Apples and oranges my dear.

Cocaine can easily cause spontaneous death even upon first use. That same risk doesn’t exist with weed, right?
 
Apples and oranges my dear.

Cocaine can easily cause spontaneous death even upon first use. That same risk doesn’t exist with weed, right?
So legality depends on safety? What about morality. Can a Catholic get high morally?
 
So legality depends on safety? What about morality. Can a Catholic get high morally?
The boyfriend isn’t Catholic, so that’s a moot point.

As to the morality of getting “high”? I’m not going to sit in the ivory tower and act like I’ve never been drunk or buzzed before. Or felt the energy jolt from caffeine.

Along the same lines, I have friends that chew tobacco and/or smoke. The way the describe a nicotine buzz sounds like a state of “drunkenness”.

Point being, sure you can drink alcohol and avoid being drunk, but many, including Catholics, don’t avoid it. However, you can’t use nicotine and avoid the nicotine buzz.

Guess we should make nicotine illegal as well.
 
The boyfriend isn’t Catholic, so that’s a moot point.

As to the morality of getting “high”? I’m not going to sit in the ivory tower and act like I’ve never been drunk or buzzed before. Or felt the energy jolt from caffeine.

Along the same lines, I have friends that chew tobacco and/or smoke. The way the describe a nicotine buzz sounds like a state of “drunkenness”.

Point being, sure you can drink alcohol and avoid being drunk, but many, including Catholics, don’t avoid it. However, you can’t use nicotine and avoid the nicotine buzz.

Guess we should make nicotine illegal as well.
Wow
 
jtauke, twf, et al,

I respectfully request that you not derail the thread with this kind of debate.

As has been noted, legality for ADULTS is a separate issue here. ***In this thread, we are speaking about and to minors. ***

No matter whether it’s moral or legal for adults (marijuana, alcohol, tobacco, or gambling), it is not moral or legal for minors, and should not be encouraged in this thread to avoid implying that anyone is advocating that minors disregard the law and their parents/guardians. Can we agree on that, and not confuse the issue with irrelevant arguments, please?

Thank you for your attention. And now back to your regularly scheduled thread…
 
:rotfl:

(And I know twf protested this earlier in the thread, but in my experience the Venn Diagram of marijuana users and those who push for its legalization very nearly forms a single perfect circle. With that in mind, the answer to your question is going to be…probably not. :p)
Not quite so fast. I’m not a user, but I am skeptical about the societal value of criminalizing marijuana cultivation, sale, and use. There is such a thing as a cure that is worse than the disorder it aims to address.

In spite of the number of people who had no legitimate need who still managed to find some quack willing to write a script for their “medical” marijuana card, I do know cancer sufferers and others who actually did use marijuana medicinally and responsibly. From a strictly rational standpoint, the concerns posed by marijuana’s pharmaceutical properties, while different from those of alcohol, are not universally worse than alcohol. In spite of my recognition that alcohol can be used moderately and without the intention of achieving impairment, I also recognize that impairment is a very common goal of alcohol use. I don’t see any pharmaceutical reason why the two substances belong in separate classes. From the standpoint of the police, for instance, saying that adults can use alcohol without being too impaired to think straight is splitting hairs, since so many use it precisely in order to get drunk.

There was once a hysterical opposition to alcohol which unrealistically thought Prohibition could stop the evils that come from immoral use of alcohol. From that example, it is quite clear that we can be both right-minded and wrong-headed about how the law can most effectively deal with the societal hazards posed by mind-altering substances.

**But…back to the OP. **To make someone your boyfriend isn’t just a form of especially approving of him as a friend. It is not the same as marriage, but it is a position of trust. No matter what the OP or anyone else might think about the legalities of this behavior or that, she must always remember that she and she alone has the authority to decide which behaviors she will or will not tolerate in the person she puts into the position of trust and mutual concern that a boyfriend is to her.

No argument should be allowed to persuade her that she must tolerate a behavior that makes her stomach churn. She has the authority to decide she won’t. To exercise that authority is not judgmental, it is not unforgiving, it is not unfair. No one is entitled to that position of trust with her. If anything, it is unfair to put someone into a position of trust that he is inherently incapable of filling without betraying that trust.

She must understand that she does not have the power to control another person. She will do well to choose to trust a fellow who is constitutionally inclined to live according to the boundaries that also suit her. In that case, she will have a partner she can trust, rather than one she has to police. She is too young to be anyone’s warden, but no one who is realistic tries to make another human being into a “fixer upper.” Al-Anon’s mantra is “I didn’t cause it, I can’t cure it, and I can’t control it.” Avoiding the temptation to control another human being or to covertly compensate for serious and habitual faults is very important to anyone who wants a healthy marriage, that is for certain.

OP, look soberly at whether this young man is constitutionally inclined to be the man you need him to be. If not, be realistic and let him go to find a better fit for himself. You keep looking until you find someone who will be what you need merely by being himself.
 
Not quite so fast. I’m not a user, but I am skeptical about the societal value of criminalizing marijuana cultivation, sale, and use. There is such a thing as a cure that is worse than the disorder it aims to address.

In spite of the number of people who had no legitimate need who still managed to find some quack willing to write a script for their “medical” marijuana card, I do know cancer sufferers and others who actually did use marijuana medicinally and responsibly. From a strictly rational standpoint, the concerns posed by marijuana’s pharmaceutical properties, while different from those of alcohol, are not universally worse than alcohol. In spite of my recognition that alcohol can be used moderately and without the intention of achieving impairment, I also recognize that impairment is a very common goal of alcohol use. I don’t see any pharmaceutical reason why the two substances belong in separate classes. From the standpoint of the police, for instance, saying that adults can use alcohol without being too impaired to think straight is splitting hairs, since so many use it precisely in order to get drunk.

There was once a hysterical opposition to alcohol which unrealistically thought Prohibition could stop the evils that come from immoral use of alcohol. From that example, it is quite clear that we can be both right-minded and wrong-headed about how the law can most effectively deal with the societal hazards posed by mind-altering substances.

**But…back to the OP. **To make someone your boyfriend isn’t just a form of especially approving of him as a friend. It is not the same as marriage, but it is a position of trust. No matter what the OP or anyone else might think about the legalities of this behavior or that, she must always remember that she and she alone has the authority to decide which behaviors she will or will not tolerate in the person she puts into the position of trust and mutual concern that a boyfriend is to her.

No argument should be allowed to persuade her that she must tolerate a behavior that makes her stomach churn. She has the authority to decide she won’t. To exercise that authority is not judgmental, it is not unforgiving, it is not unfair. No one is entitled to that position of trust with her.

She must understand, however, that she does not have the power to control another person. She will do well to choose to trust a fellow who is constitutionally inclined to live according to the boundaries that also suit her. In that case, she will have a partner she can trust, rather than one she has to police. She is too young to be anyone’s warden, but no one who is realistic tries to make another human being into a “fixer upper.”

OP, look soberly at whether this young man is constitutionally inclined to be the man you need him to be. If not, be realistic and let him go to find a better fit for himself. You keep looking until you find someone who will be what you need merely by being himself.
EJ, I don’t disagree at all. In fact, I do agree. But it seems to me that whenever this topic comes up (not just on CAF but elsewhere), a few people come out of the woodwork who are so ridiculously adamant about this issue…and absolutely nothing else (including in most cases taking care of the basic needs of their person.) That’s the phenomenon I was mostly trying to address.
 
jtauke, twf, et al,

I respectfully request that you not derail the thread with this kind of debate.

As has been noted, legality for ADULTS is a separate issue here. ***In this thread, we are speaking about and to minors. ***

No matter whether it’s moral or legal for adults (marijuana, alcohol, tobacco, or gambling), it is not moral or legal for minors, and should not be encouraged in this thread to avoid implying that anyone is advocating that minors disregard the law and their parents/guardians. Can we agree on that, and not confuse the issue with irrelevant arguments, please?

Thank you for your attention. And now back to your regularly scheduled thread…
I agree and I said as much in my posts: that minors should not be touching alcohol, tobacco or pot. My original post on this thread was to contest the assertion that pot is a gateway drug - the implication that the boyfriend is now likely to move on to greater horrors. I never suggested that he should be smoking pot. I returned to the thread only when it was implied that I am a user- when I have never once in my life so much as held a joint (despite the fact that in my province its use is omnipresent especially among teens / youth). But I apologize for derailing.
 
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