Boyfriend did marijuana last night

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twf said:
I agree and I said as much in my posts: that minors should not be touching alcohol, tobacco or pot. My original post on this thread was to contest the assertion that pot is a gateway drug - the implication that the boyfriend is now likely to move on to greater horrors. I never suggested that he should be smoking pot. I returned to the thread only when it was implied that I am a user- when I have never once in my life so much as held a joint (despite the fact that in my province its use is omnipresent especially among teens / youth). But I apologize for derailing.
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We could argue gateway drugs all day. Who knows if it’s pot or the personality of the young man who is using. Demonstrating a willingness to partake a mood altering illicit illegal drug. That behavior will almost certainly lead to other behaviors with other drugs and alchohol. That is gateway enough for me… Perhaps you are offended at the idea that pot us blamed for future meth problems.,… I don’t know. What I do know is that people who seek to illegally alter thier mood with a drug rarely just have one drug of choice.
 
OP,

I am sorry that you are going through this. I know it’s not easy. Keep praying. I will pray for you, and this guy, as well. :gopray2:

Sometimes it’s hard to keep your own feet on the right path when you see someone straying from it–but remember that you can’t help them if you get pulled into the mire, too. Don’t compromise your morals. Stay on the right path, and if someone does reach out for your help, you can give them a hand getting back. If a guy is leading you away from God, either because he tempts you to do the wrong thing, or because you want to try and “save” him but he doesn’t want saving, then he’s the wrong guy.

I understand how difficult it can sometimes be to see someone you care about harming themselves, and wanting better for them–especially when they don’t seem to want better for themselves. The hardest part can be breaking it off and/or walking away when there is nothing more you can do. Unfortunately, I think that is probably what you will need to do this time. Your boyfriend already knew you would not approve of his behavior, or he would not have tried to hide it from you. But that was not enough to stop him from doing it anyway. You can forgive him (forgiveness doesn’t mean accepting the behavior), but you cannot solve this for him. And he doesn’t seem to want to solve it at this point–he’s giving excuses, not taking responsibility or trying to make changes.

He must make his own decisions and be responsible for them; you cannot force him to be honest with you, or to stop hanging out with the wrong crowd, or anything else. You can only decide what you will do, what you will accept. I would suggest not continuing the relationship, but that is, of course, up to you.

Remember, even Jesus didn’t convince everyone to follow Him. Many walked away, and though it saddened Him, He did not stop them. We mere human beings cannot force others to change their hearts, either.

You seem mature for your age, so I think you will understand what I’m saying here. Think about what kind of man you want to marry–by that I mean his personality, values, virtues. Does this guy’s behavior suggest that he would make a good husband and father? I know for some teenagers, marriage may seem a long way off, but if you begin now to only date guys who have at least some of those qualities you’ll seek in a husband, it becomes clearer, sooner, when the relationship is a poor fit, and easier to avoid guys who want you to compromise your morals. (It will also help if you think about the kind of wife you want to be, and work on nurturing those virtues in yourself.)

And remember that love does not mean tolerating bad behavior or sin. 😉

May God bless you and watch over you.
 
jtauke said:
So states shouldn’t have the right to decide what’s best for their citizens?
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Should the federal government have the right to decide abortion is legal? Do governments decide what is moral or it is it the Church?

“Pope Francis has spoken out against drug legalization in the past, and has visited with addicts both as Pope and when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires. “A reduction in the spread and influence of drug addiction will not be achieved by a liberalization of drug use,” he said during a speech at a hospital in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil last year. “Rather, it is necessary to confront the problems underlying the use of these drugs, by promoting greater justice, educating young people in the values that build up life in society, accompanying those in difficulty and giving them hope for the future.””

As it has been demonstrated in multiple posts the use of marijuana for recreational use is against the teachings of the Church. It is extremely bad form to argue against that teaching especially on a thread started by a minor.
 
jtauke said:
So alcohol is morally acceptable, even though a person can easily drink enough to cause death? And weed isn’t acceptable, even though you’d have to smoke 680 kilos to kill yourself (or eat 22 kilos).

Can you cite rising hard drug abuse (heroin, meth, cocaine, etc) in Colorado? 🤷
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No but I can cite the Catecism:

2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral la

Notice the word GRAVE? I would use extreme caution when arguing points counter to the teaching of the Church especially when they involve grave matters.
 
twf said:
I agree and I said as much in my posts: that minors should not be touching alcohol, tobacco or pot. My original post on this thread was to contest the assertion that pot is a gateway drug - the implication that the boyfriend is now likely to move on to greater horrors. I never suggested that he should be smoking pot. I returned to the thread only when it was implied that I am a user- when I have never once in my life so much as held a joint (despite the fact that in my province its use is omnipresent especially among teens / youth). But I apologize for derailing.
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Thanks. I really appreciate that. 😃

I did not mean that you implied that it was okay he smoked pot, just that someone in the thread did. I was more concerned that the OP not get confused about responses to her questions, with the debate going on. Next time, I’ll double-check who posted what before addressing the post to particular posters. Sorry about that.

Thanks again.
 
twf said:
I EXPLICITLY stated in the same post that I have NEVER used it nor have any desire to do so. I don’t appreciate the slanderous accusation. I don’t think you read my post at all
Of course minors shouldn’t be using any drug whether it’s weed, alcohol or tobacco. I was simply contesting that it’s a gateway drug. I can’t go to the park or beach without smelling it. As I said, it’s omnipresent where i live. Yet the vast hoards who smoke it typically don’t do other drugs. Of course it can be harmful and I said as much in my post. I simply contested that it’s a gateway drug.
Also I don’t live in the U.S. American culture tends to demonize pot.
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The Catholic Church also “demonizes” pot. Your views and opinions are in conflict with its teachings.
 
WT1 said:
The Catholic Church also “demonizes” pot. Your views and opinions are in conflict with its teachings.
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No it doesn’t. The Church has no issues with its therapeutic use. What views have I expressed that are contrary to the teaching of the Magisterium? That pot isn’t necessarily a gateway drug? I base that on the fact that the majority of adults in my region, statistically, have at some point smoked pot - and that it is widely smoked in the open, in parks and on beaches and on the street - and that there is no evidence it has led to the widespread use of other drugs. I don’t smoke it. I don’t encourage its use. But I contest that it is a gateway drug or that it does more harm that alcohol abuse.
First you accuse me of being a user, even after I explicitly stated that I had never so much as tried it…and now you say I speak against the teachings of the Church. These are very serious accusations.
 
CatholicRaven said:
jtauke, twf, et al,

I respectfully request that you not derail the thread with this kind of debate.

As has been noted, legality for ADULTS is a separate issue here. ***In this thread, we are speaking about and to minors. ***

No matter whether it’s moral or legal for adults (marijuana, alcohol, tobacco, or gambling), it is not moral or legal for minors, and should not be encouraged in this thread to avoid implying that anyone is advocating that minors disregard the law and their parents/guardians. Can we agree on that, and not confuse the issue with irrelevant arguments, please?

Thank you for your attention. And now back to your regularly scheduled thread…
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I haven’t encouraged anything. I’m simply trying to bring a more complex debate to the table, because the solution for the OP is simple. She’s sixteen. If she doesn’t like what the boyfriend does then drop him like a bad habit. Most likely it’s not worth the hassle in her life.
 
WT1 said:
No but I can cite the Catecism:

2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral la

Notice the word GRAVE? I would use extreme caution when arguing points counter to the teaching of the Church especially when they involve grave matters.
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So what’s considered a drug and what’s not? Is there a list?
 
twf said:
No it doesn’t. The Church has no issues with its therapeutic use. What views have I expressed that are contrary to the teaching of the Magisterium? That pot isn’t necessarily a gateway drug? I base that on the fact that the majority of adults in my region, statistically, have at some point smoked pot - and that it is widely smoked in the open, in parks and on beaches and on the street - and that there is no evidence it has led to the widespread use of other drugs. I don’t smoke it. I don’t encourage its use. But I contest that it is a gateway drug or that it does more harm that alcohol abuse.
First you accuse me of being a user, even after I explicitly stated that I had never so much as tried it…and now you say I speak against the teachings of the Church. These are very serious accusations.
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I suggest you read the following article on the Church’s stand on marijuana:

catholicstand.com/no-bongs-bishops-marijuana-catholic-doctrine/

Read this for research on how it is a gateway drug:

drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-gateway-drug
rehab-international.org/blog/more-evidence-that-marijuana-is-a-gateway-drug
nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/04/26/is-marijuana-a-gateway-drug/marijuana-has-proven-to-be-a-gateway-drug

I stand firm that the Church teaches explicitly against the use of marijuana and that it;s use is a grave matter. I also stand firm that it is a gateway drug.

Alcohol has it’s own issues and the Church has teaching on it as well, but moderate and responsible use of Alcohol is permitted by the Church but marijuana use is not except for medicinal purposes under the supervision of a physician.

To instruct otherwise is in error.
 
jtauke said:
Sigh…

I meant a source that links one to the other. Not a story about a coincidental fact.

The correlation you’re making does not equal causation.
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Ok. 🤷 I made no correlation I simply posted what you asked for. Why is this such an issue for you? Why so important?
 
jtauke said:
So what’s considered a drug and what’s not? Is there a list?
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To my knowledge there is not a defined list but you can be assured that any drugs use outside of medicinal purposes and are harmful would be included per the catechism. One giant red flag should be the legality of particular substances.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Ok. 🤷 I made no correlation I simply posted what you asked for. Why is this such an issue for you? Why so important?
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So you didn’t link to the article trying to show that pot leads to meth use? If so, then you have my apologies.

The issue itself isn’t important to me at all. Personally, I don’t give two hoots about legalization.

I don’t need to support a side to argue for it or against it. In fact, I think it does a person good to argue all sides of an issue. It exposes them to the other side, and allows them to better formulate arguments to defend their own side (assuming they have a side in a debate).

Lastly, echo chambers are boring, so I decided to make things more interesting.
 
WT1 said:
To my knowledge there is not a defined list but you can be assured that any drugs use outside of medicinal purposes and are harmful would be included per the catechism. One giant red flag should be the legality of particular substances.
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Pretty sure there’s no medically required use for nicotine, caffeine, or alcohol.
 
jtauke said:
Pretty sure there’s no medically required use for nicotine, caffeine, or alcohol.
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From the catechism:

2290 The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine. Those incur grave guilt who, by drunkenness or a love of speed, endanger their own and others’ safety on the road, at sea, or in the air.

2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law.

If something isn’t clear then I suggest you seek the counsel of a priest.

Next Topic:

I’ve read your posts and it seems you were playing “devil’s advocate” to liven up the discussion and that was not an appropriate position to take on this thread especially when minors were engaged. I would like to ask you use more restraint in the future as many of your comments very well could have been considered support of drug use.

Regards
 
WT1 said:
From the catechism:

2290 The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine. Those incur grave guilt who, by drunkenness or a love of speed, endanger their own and others’ safety on the road, at sea, or in the air.

2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law.

If something isn’t clear then I suggest you seek the counsel of a priest.

Next Topic:

I’ve read your posts and it seems you were playing “devil’s advocate” to liven up the discussion and that was not an appropriate position to take on this thread especially when minors were engaged. I would like to ask you use more restraint in the future as many of your comments very well could have been considered support of drug use.

Regards
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Thanks for the advice, but I think I’ll keep doing what I do. 🙂

P.S. I never said anything remotely close to support drug use. So uhhhh…yeah.
 
jtauke said:
Now that you’ve shown you can exceedingly rude to a fellow poster, do you feel better?
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" Why are you even discussing the justification of criminal activity with a 16 year old child?

I hope you stay more than 1000 feet from schools and places where children congregate.

You have no business having any contact with children."

My comment applies equally to you. You are condoning criminal activity with a child. If you want to engage in criminal activity with other adults or by yourself, it is your business. When you tell children that illegal activity is not just alright, but actively encourage it and call it safe, you should have no contact with children.

Your behavior is wrong and dangerous. Your behavior is reprehensible.
 
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