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Well, this is my first post, but I really need some help with this:

Pretty much, I’m Catholic and my boyfriend’s not.

When we first started dating about seven months ago, he told me he believed in God, but refused to go to church or anything else, he was a fall away Catholic from the time he was 12. He didn’t believe church was needed and he could do it all from his bedroom if needed.

He also used to be a very sexual oriented person, all his previous relationships before me were based solely on sex and attraction, nothing else. They all ended bitterly too.

So on, about three months ago he started going back to church, but not with me. Instead he drives about an hour away to go to a church in Gettysburg, PA called “Gettysburg Church of Christ.” Now, this isn’t even what I could consider church, there’s no priest and the Lord’s Supper isn’t even blessed, it’s just given out while a parishinor reads a couple lines from a Gospel and says a prayer. Then the ‘preacher’ arrives–you don’t see him until the songs are sung and the Gospel is ‘read’–and he gives a serman on whatever he wants, despite what verses were read from the Gospel. Then ‘church’ is over.

Now, he’s been going to this and coming back with all these fanatical facts that the Catholic Church is wrong and that I’m blind to it and refuse to open my eyes and see how wrong it is. I’m very stubborn thankfully. He points out thinks like calling priests “father’s” is against the Bible, confessing to a priest is against the Bible, we changed the Ten Commandments, we pray to Mary and place her above or equal to God with the other saints, we changed the Bible by taking out the “Gospel of Thomas” and we have graven images in our Church.

I have shown him where these aren’t true, but he always conveniently ‘forgets’ and insists he’s proved me wrong over and over. Unfortunately, he’s set in only looking at Scripture and not at tradition. I’ve shown him things from Peter and Paul in the Bible, but he says he’ll side with Jesus before them so I’m still wrong because Peter and Paul are mortal and therefore will say things contrary to Jesus.

He also has picked up from his friend, who is also a fall away Catholic, something called “Understand Roman Catholicism”. But it isn’t understanding it at all, what it is is a collection of pieces from the Catechism and the Bible verses it breaks even though it doesn’t and I’ve shown him that as well. I’ve told him this isn’t understanding Catholicism because all it does is bash Catholics and show one side of the argument–it doesn’t show where we got it or what verses do coenside with the Catechism.

Our arguments aren’t few and far between, unfortunately, and usually leave both of us angry, frustrated and me hurting. I have said to him before “I don’t know what you want me to say” and he responds “I want you to open your eyes and stop being Catholic”. And this is tearing me apart inside. I will not give up my faith, I know with my heart and soul that this is where I belong and it is the right path, but I don’t want to give him up either, though I am prepared to.

Please, if anyone can help, I’d greatly appreciate it, I cannot see this relationship lasting too much longer in the direction we are heading. I’ve been praying the Novena, but any other prayers will be appreciated as well.
 
Pick up Catholicism and Fundamentalism by Karl Keating. Read it and then give to to your BF. Personally, Life is too short to be waging a battle against someone who is supposed to love you unconditionally…I would leave him. I know that sounds harsh, but I am married to a Catholic guy and my sister and mom did not marry Catholic guys. My mom is divorced and my sisters marriage has problems. Please save yourself a lot of heart ache and just get out of this. After kids, I am so glad a married a guy that shared my fundamental beliefs.
 
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Aleria_Star:
I have said to him before “I don’t know what you want me to say” and he responds “I want you to open your eyes and stop being Catholic”. And this is tearing me apart inside. I will not give up my faith, I know with my heart and soul that this is where I belong and it is the right path, but I don’t want to give him up either, though I am prepared to.
God Bless you Aleria for choosing your faith over a relationship. Many young people don´t do that 😦
I wish I had some good advice for you, but it seems you already know what you should do.
I will pray for you tonight
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Aleria_Star:
I will not give up my faith, I know with my heart and soul that this is where I belong and it is the right path, but I don’t want to give him up either, though I am prepared to.
I think you need to tell him this.

The purpose of dating is to find your future spouse if God desires you to be married. Ask yourself honestly if you can see yourself with this person for the rest of your life, to be the father of your children someday.

If the answer is no, then why are you with him?

If the answer if maybe, then think hard about this relationship.

If the answer is yes, then you need to be honest with him that you will never leave your Catholic faith and if you were to get more serious and talk about marriage someday that you would be raising your children Catholic and ask him if he be able to support that.

In the meantime, pray for him. Offer him some books that really teach Catholicism – look on the catholic answers website for some great ideas and/or tell him to look at Catholic sites like Catholic answers to read about what the Church really teaches. If he’s not willing to do this for you and your relationship, then I think you have your answer.

Catholic Answers website: www.catholic.com
 
bottom line, you cannot have a successful friendship, let alone a succesful marriage, with a person who is critical of a vital part of your identity and belief, and who is constantly challenging you to change an essential part of who you are. Drop him, pray for him. Hopefully contact with the gospel, no matter how he gets it, will lead him to conversion from his distorted notions of sexuality and sexual pleasure and become a stepping stone for his eventual return to the true faith. But that wait could be a long time, and continuing this relationship could lead to a lot of heartache for you.
 
Sounds like he’s being brainwashed, and you aren’t really dating the person you started dating anymore anyway.

Pray hard for his soul, but don’t let him keep hurting you. Assuming your vocation is marriage, there is someone out there who is desperately looking for a girl like you, Catholic and all. Let God guide you to him instead of spinning your wheels making this guy someone he isn’t… yet at least.
 
Well, there’s 7 months of your life you’ll never get back. At least he is not being deceptive about his disdain for your faith.

According to your profile, you’re about 19? Be glad that your eyes have been opened this young, shake the dust from your feet and move on. Pray for his soul; praise God for His gift of your faith.
 
Warning! The way he is approaching the differences in your faith versus his faith shows a significant level of disregard for who you really are and how he should treat that which is important to your life. In fact, I would say that is approach is intentionally divisive and controlling, and that he seems even angry about your inability to “see the light” and abandon the Catholic Church. If this is how he copes with disagreements and differences in a relationship, that is, he tries to have it his way or ‘win,’ ask yourself if this is how you want to operate every time you arrive at a major decision point or stage in life with this guy. It sounds to me that he doesn’t respect you, nor does he really love you. He is young and needs to grow in maturity to understand what unconditional love is all about. What you are describing is not kind of love God has in mind for anyone.Your religious beliefs are not on the table for negotiation. If he can’t accept that, find someone who can.
 
This is what I get from your post:

Your boyfriend has slept around alot & it didn’t mean much to him. He has had lots of bad breakups = immaturity, inability to deal with conflicts.

He didn’t attend church when you met him… and when he decided to go, rather than go with YOU (the obvious choice) - he picked another faith - and not just any faith - but a faith that thinks the Catholic Church is totally wrong.

He doesn’t listen when you try to explain your faith. You argue alot and he said he wants you to stop being Catholic.

And you like this guy… why?

I just see such a long road in front of you. Not only do you have to get him to accept your Catholic beliefs - but I’m sure you’d like your future husband/father of your children to actually BE Catholic - and not just BE Catholic… but be a strong Catholic? Look at how far off the mark your boyfriend is. It just sounds like too much of a gamble… you are young & you sound like a wonderful girl. Do you honestly think this is the man God has set aside for you?
 
Let me present this to you in another way. If you had a friend, say your best friend of many years, and this friend came to you and asked you to try some drug. You know that it is wrong and that the effects of this can be terrible, yet you still decide that this person is my friend if they are doing it, sure, what can it hurt. Only a little bit, because I trust my friend and I can control what I do. Now you start doing this and maybe it becomes a habit, maybe not, however the one thing that you must realize is the harmful effects, that each time you do a drug, that this has on your body. If you know of something that will be harmful to your body, why put that into your system. Relatively, if you know of something that will be harmful to your soul, why put that into your system.

If this “boyfriend” truly cared about and respected you, he would respect your faith and not try to turn you from it. Being a guy, I know the many ways in which they can twist and turn situations to make them fit their needs. I have no clue what your bf is like, but I can say that to me, it seems like there is a control issue. And once you lose control in the relationship, it will be an uphill climb to hold strong to the things that you hold dear.

I have heard it said several times and this is what I feel is one of the strongest points in a marriage - you (as a spouse) are there to get the other spouse to heaven. If the person you are with is not focused on that, or that is not a concern of theirs, then you are wasting your time. I know after 7 months or so you can feel like this is really it, the person that I truly love. And you cannot imagine being without that person. I tell you that the pain of a break up now is minimal compared to the pain of a divorce later. And what if children are involved? If you two are not on the same page (which it sounds like you are not even reading the same book) then you need to take a step back and reconsider what YOU want in a future husband. Someone that supports you and enriches you? Someone that stands by you? Stands up for your faith? Shares your faith? Or someone that constantly makes you defend your faith? Stays home on Sunday mornings when you go to church? Sleeps when you want to pray as a family?

You need to look into what you want out of life and what you want in the future. It is so important, especially at your age. There is so much out there that can bring negativity into your life and try to drive you from your faith, but you have to continue standing on that rock. Continue to hold true to your faith. There are other “fish in the sea,” Maybe it is time to throw this one back and reset your line and go for another cast.
 
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Cupofkindness:
Warning! The way he is approaching the differences in your faith versus his faith shows a significant level of disregard for who you really are and how he should treat that which is important to your life. In fact, I would say that is approach is intentionally divisive and controlling, and that he seems even angry about your inability to “see the light” and abandon the Catholic Church. If this is how he copes with disagreements and differences in a relationship, that is, he tries to have it his way or ‘win,’ ask yourself if this is how you want to operate every time you arrive at a major decision point or stage in life with this guy…
Excellent observation. I would agree this young man seems to have a lot of anger motivating his behaviour. He abandoned the Church (at 12 he had no idea why or what he was doing), ricocheted through some “relationships” and now wants to rearrange your belief system. No offense, but this isn’t the type of guy I’d be taking pointers from.

As opposed to just “dropping” him like a bad habit, I would explain your concerns and lay out some non-negotiables–namely his respect for your faith. Then suggest you both take some time apart. It is not an imperative that you share the Catholic faith in order to date. However, someone who bashes your belief system while maintaining such utter ignorance of its substance is not operating out of respect or with your best interests uppermost in his mind. He needs some time to grow up. It’s up to you if and how long you want to act as his babysitter. I would submit that you probably have better options as to how and with whom you spend your time.
 
Because the phone rang as I was typing my last post, I forgot to add that you really, really deserve better. The suffering you’re experiencing in this relationship is not good for you. It may be hard to imagine that someone who is ‘practically perfect in every way’ is out there for you, but believe me, if God has His way, that man is out there waiting on God’s time table for you to be in his life. Don’t let insecurity drive you actions, just be patient. Spend the next few months learning more about yourself and become involved in neutral settings where good men are friends, not potential dates. Look into getting involved in pro-life activities or other traditionally Catholic venues for friendship to find people who think like you think. And please keep us posted.
 
The best advice I can give is to end this relationship now and find a person who shares your faith, values, and goals in life.

In the short term it may be painful, but in the long term you will look back on it as a wise decision.

I met my beautiful, Catholic husband on www.avemariasingles.com
 
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1ke:
The best advice I can give is to end this relationship now and find a person who shares your faith, values, and goals in life.

In the short term it may be painful, but in the long term you will look back on it as a wise decision.

I met my beautiful, Catholic husband on www.avemariasingles.com
That is where I met my darling wife. What a great site!! Since both of us are Catholic, this is the bond that holds our marriage together.
 
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Aleria_Star:
I have said to him before “I don’t know what you want me to say” and he responds “I want you to open your eyes and stop being Catholic”. And this is tearing me apart inside.
Any relationship where one person is trying to change the other is not going to work. Sounds like he is trying to change you to a shape that fits his needs, and people can’t be manipulated in that way. Again I think you should break it off and find a guy to grow with, who is where you want to be.
 
Well, I saw him today and he was very, very, very, very nice, which is pretty much his way of saying “I went too far yesterday, I’m sorry.”

My mom and I both have the same habit of picking the guys with the sketchy backgrounds and not so great faith, I think it’s because we want to help them. My mom and step-father (she divorced before she became Catholic) are still married and though there are problems (i.e. He’s not a devout Catholic, barely Catholic actually), they are still happy.

And my boyfriend at times…seems like he does want to learn about the Catholic faith and then there are times, like yesterday, where he’s just disrespectful and outright nasty about it. I don’t think he understands when I say he’s hurting me when he says those things because to him, he’s not saying it about me, just my religion. He doesn’t understand that if someone said something about him, it’d hurt me because I love him, it’s the same way for my religion.

I picked a great first boyfriend…hehe.

Anyway, I’ve been taking it into consideration about breaking up with him, long consideration, and part of me wants to give it up because it’s so hard, but another part of me sees that he could come to understand and so I don’t want to give up.

I’m going to speak with a priest tomorrow about it and see what he says, maybe he’ll be able to give me a couple ways of answering his questions too.

I guess I should say some good stuff about him too, I mean, all I’ve said is what’s wrong and so it makes it kind of sound like he’s a horrible guy. But he makes me laugh, he’s fun to be around, he can be sweet and usually is and protects me, watches out for me when we go places that aren’t exactly safe and I do love him… I know if we did break up, I would most likely find someone else and I know I wouldn’t fall apart either–I’m not that weak.

Could I see him as my husband? 90% of the time, yes.
Could I see him as a father? Yes.
Could I see him as a Catholic? Actually, yes, I can, but it’ll take some time. (We saw Scott Hahn (sp) talk a couple days ago)

He has come a ways from where he was too, I just hope he’ll take the next step towards Catholicism… When we first met, he didn’t think there was really anything past sex in a relationship and it took him a great deal of time and effort to understand there can be more past that. He’s accepted the fact that I will wait until marraige and respects me for that, he won’t push me or anything at all, and he’s given up parts of his old lifestyle for the better.

The church he’s going to now he chose because his mom’s ex-boyfriend and them used to go there and so he’s comfortable there. And he doesn’t miss a single Sunday, even if it’s really not church…

I don’t know if it’ll work out or not, I know this’ll be the reason we break up if we do, but I don’t want to give up on him when he’s already come so far… Gah, I’m confusing myself and going in circles…
 
Well good luck. It sounds like you are really considering all the pros and cons and taking the right steps.

My husband and I started dating 5 years ago, and he was a lapsed Catholic. One of the first things he ever said to me was that he’d do anything for me except go to Church with me. I said that was fine because at the time, he was just a casual date. 2 months later, he went with me to Mass when it was offered for my dad. Soon after that, he started going with me weekly and since he’s become active in our parish and was even the Grand Knight in the Knights of Columbus.

I guess the moral of the story is, pray, pray, pray, and leave it up to God, but I wouldn’t recommend marrying him or thinking of this as becoming a serious relationship unless this is resolved.
 
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Aleria_Star:
My mom and I both have the same habit of picking the guys with the sketchy backgrounds and not so great faith, I think it’s because we want to help them. My mom and step-father (she divorced before she became Catholic) are still married and though there are problems (i.e. He’s not a devout Catholic, barely Catholic actually), they are still happy.
After reading this part I have to ask, Aleria, have you ever considered becoming a Sister? That way you can help men with sketchy backgrounds to your heart’s content and you don’t have to be married to them. 🙂

Just a thought, I ask it in all seriousness 🙂
 
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Aleria_Star:
My mom and I both have the same habit of picking the guys with the sketchy backgrounds and not so great faith, I think it’s because we want to help them.

But he makes me laugh, he’s fun to be around, he can be sweet and usually is and protects me, watches out for me when we go places that aren’t exactly safe and I do love him…
Based on these two statements, I’d like to recommend two books to you:

For Better… Forever by Dr Greg Popcak
Date or Soul Mate by Neil Clark Warren

Both should be available through some place like Amazon, or you can order at Barnes & Noble, etc.

(1) Your first statement concerns me b/c you seem to be headed down a road of co-dependence rather than mutual respect.

(2) Your second statement concerns me b/c while those are OK qualities for a friend, they are not the foundation of a lasting marriage. Shared vision, values, and goals are.
 
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Jadesfire20:
After reading this part I have to ask, Aleria, have you ever considered becoming a Sister? That way you can help men with sketchy backgrounds to your heart’s content and you don’t have to be married to them. 🙂

Just a thought, I ask it in all seriousness 🙂
Actually, I never have considered it… Though my cousin has and still is. She went through sort of the same thing I am, her boyfriend, though not as…strong in this area as mine, had the same ideas.

I don’t know if I could do that, but I’ll look into it…I was going to be a vet because I’ve always wanted to help animals, but I can’t do that anymore (arthritis). But I do still want to help, it’s just part of my nature. 🙂
 
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