Boys and girls and boys who like girls ^_^

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    To the last question: mostly it’s because I’m bitter because I’m not hot. ^_~ Most of this thread is me being a bitter feminazi hag, lol.

    Yeah… I realized at something like 3 AM it was a better idea if I just didn’t care about what the college punks I’m mostly thinking of thought, because I don’t like them and don’t think I’d want someone who treats girls like they tend to. Probably I should just wait until they grow up, because around thirty they tend to mature into great guys.

    And catechumen, My Chemical Romance is the big new band for kids that like to sit in their room and sulk (has been for the past 2 years), and Warhammer 40K is like Dungeons and Dragons, but with more of a “war” thing and a lot of figurines to represent units. Devotees spend copious amounts of money on buying and painting figurines.
 
So I’m trying to figure something out. This may well come off as inflammatory, but I need to complain.

Men I know (the ones that are worth marrying) say they look for smart women, and they marry them, but by the sample I’ve seen of these marriages these women are also hot. Why don’t they just admit they want hot chicks?

In my experience they also say that they don’t like women with makeup, they like them to look natural, but then why do they pay so much more attention to you when you’re wearing makeup?

These are good Catholic boys (grown-up men, some of them) I’m talking about, so don’t go saying, “Oh, real Catholic men are different.” It doesn’t seem true.
**Ohh! Ohh! Have I got a man for you! 👍 **

My husband…angel that he is…asked me to STOP wearing make up. AND! Get this! Likes is better that way. He thinks it makes me look fake and hides my true beauty. He doesn’t like me all “done up!” He doesn’t care what clothes I wear, if my hair is done a special way, or if my clothes, nails, teeth, (or whatever else) are perfect. He prefers me in comfy sweats to a drop-dead gorgeous $200 outfit anyday. He likes ME…just ME!

**So…there’s one man to contradict your theory! 😃 **
 
If someone normally doesn’t wear make-up and then one day wears it, it seems natural that they would notice the difference.

My hubby also doesn’t like the plastic look of overdone make-up. A tastefully made-up face is nice, but too much is too much. Could it be that these guys actually don’t like the overboard make-up, but their *wives/girlfriends *are the ones deciding to look that way because *they *(the wives) like it?

And is it possible to be smart *and *good looking? My hubby fits that bill 😃
 
**Ohh! Ohh! Have I got a man for you! 👍 **

My husband…angel that he is…asked me to STOP wearing make up. AND! Get this! Likes is better that way. He thinks it makes me look fake and hides my true beauty. He doesn’t like me all “done up!” He doesn’t care what clothes I wear, if my hair is done a special way, or if my clothes, nails, teeth, (or whatever else) are perfect. He prefers me in comfy sweats to a drop-dead gorgeous $200 outfit anyday. He likes ME…just ME!

**So…there’s one man to contradict your theory! 😃 **
Can I have him? 😛
 
And catechumen, My Chemical Romance is the big new band for kids that like to sit in their room and sulk (has been for the past 2 years), and Warhammer 40K is like Dungeons and Dragons, but with more of a “war” thing and a lot of figurines to represent units. Devotees spend copious amounts of money on buying and painting figurines.
I see. Boy, now I feel old, haha! So where’s that wisdom that’s supposed to come with age, eh?
 
So I’m trying to figure something out. This may well come off as inflammatory, but I need to complain.
Please do! I’m a guy and I’ll certainly listen out. I’ll try to help if I can. 😉
Men I know (the ones that are worth marrying) say they look for smart women, and they marry them, but by the sample I’ve seen of these marriages these women are also hot. Why don’t they just admit they want hot chicks?
Firstly, you say just because their smart women are also “hot”, it means they don’t want smart women, they want “hot” women. That’s logically false. It only means that either they want both smart and “hot”, or it’s a coincidence that the women are both. However, just because the women are “hot”, it doesn’t mean that the men were lying about the smarts. It just means “hotness” is also a factor. Do you want them to go for smarts or do you want them to disregard the looks? That’s two different things. 😉

Secondly, as simple as it is, men are visual. The way you put it, “hot” rather than “pretty” has merit also. Some want the visual hotness, some will stick with just the impulse if it comes from something different from the girl’s looks strictly speaking.
In my experience they also say that they don’t like women with makeup, they like them to look natural, but then why do they pay so much more attention to you when you’re wearing makeup?
The dress-up factor. Dressing up means you’re trying to look great for them. Especially when it works, they will enjoy that knowledge and enjoy the atmosphere. Besides, if the make-up really improves the lady’s looks, guys will be more impressed with those, resulting in more attention and more appreciation. Even if in a normal situation, they prefer a girl who looks great already on her own - or one that doesn’t wear tons of make-up in everyday situations.
These are good Catholic boys (grown-up men, some of them) I’m talking about, so don’t go saying, “Oh, real Catholic men are different.” It doesn’t seem true.
Catholic men aren’t a different species biologically. 😉

And now some reflection from me:

What people want and what they want to want are sometimes two different things. When they talk about themselves, they probably talk about their self-image. The reality is sometimes different. Choices people make don’t override their biology. To a limited extent, we can influence who we are attracted to. But it’s only so far as it can go. 😉

Ever noticed that women often say they want a caring, sensitive, cultivated, good etc etc man, but they end up going out with or marrying someone else? For example a guy with much strength but not so concerned with good manners or even indeed people’s feelings? Or some insensitive despot? I think they either go for someone who is strong - and brutality or crudeness is one mark of it - or someone who is caring and nurturing, or appears so, but not very strong - one that can act as a teddy bear. So there is some discrepancy, isn’t there? Women have their discrepancies and men have theirs. Both genders struggle with skewed self-image and perhaps consciously submit to their urges and go for people they know to be wrong for them.

Personally, I deal with it this way: if someone doesn’t want me, well, his loss. Means we aren’t compatible. No point accusing the person of anything or what will I gain? Can’t gain his love in a lawsuit manner. 😉 Personally, I just hope I will find someone who will love me as I am and whom I will be able to love as she is. If you asked me for a couple of adjectives, I would say, “good, kind, smart, pretty, well-mannered, considerate of others, naturally pious, orthodox but reflective, an independent thinker.” However, goodness of heart is more important than looks or smarts, so I can’t really say who will sweep me off my feet one day and it’s all just guesswork.

As for prettiness or especially “hotness”, there’s a couple of things you need to remember:
  1. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some people are pretty to many, some to few, but ultimately it only counts if we’re pretty to the one person we want to marry, or have married.
  2. Beauty is not totally determined by nature. A lot can be achieved without surgical intervention. Models don’t look different from women out in the street, once un-made-up. 😉 Any girl would be stunning with the same kind of exercise routine, diet, stylist advice etc etc.
 
  1. Nothing wrong with liking the pretty girl, actually. It’s both founded on something we received from God and improved by our own work. For the one guy the smarts are more important, for the other the looks. Of course, we may argue that spending one’s time in the library is more prudent than using it all up on looks, but this doesn’t apply to what natural gifts lay at foundation. 🙂
  2. Nothing wrong with being pretty, either. Don’t feel bad about getting a nice haircut, doing some exercise to define this or that, some cosmetics to make your skin look great, don’t know… tanning if you’re into it, clothes shopping and picking (you’d be surprised what some girls can come up with for a couple of bucks (I saw a dashing prom outfit complete for <$70 with shoes back in the day, for instance). Nothing bad with it so long as it doesn’t consume too much time or drive you into vanity. Or if you don’t care for all that, well, then, look for a man who doesn’t either. 🙂 By the way, smarts are certainly part of the charm. 😉 They do matter more than you think. Average intelligence is one thing, but genuine stupidity (willing intellectual sloth, refusal to use brain, not just a level of intelligence) is not something most men welcome in women.
 
I see all the average couples, yes, but I am a very shallow person, require men to be objectively pretty (defined as “someone who more that 50% of women would find attractive”) along with all the other things, and refuse to settle for one who isn’t.
Careful! If you’re using the 50%+ as just an example, then it’s more or less fine. But you need to make a proper differentiation between what you consider attractive and what other women consider attractive. Wanting your man to be “hot” in other womens’ eyes or wanting him just because others want him, is not very healthy. And yeah, it’s kind of shallow. And once again: think and look for yourself. He has to be handsome to you, not to other women.
All I’m asking for is that people admit they want someone physically attractive rather than being ashamed of it.
Well, people don’t want to be rude and they don’t want to seem shallow, either. However, it’s better to realise one’s needs than to pretend they are different.
And I don’t do makeup. That was an observation of a friend who wears it for “dress-up” occasions and doesn’t act any differently when doing it. But the men who treat her differently cause far more feminine fluttering than they merit, so I think that’s probably more “that type of man” (who are fairly shallow and do not have a proper respect for women) than anything.
Hey, please don’t generalise like that. 😉 It may be true to some extent, but it’s not true of all the man who give special attention to ladies in their dressed-up incarnations. Also, it’s you who say the friend doesn’t act differently. There might be something you don’t see. 😉 Also, wearing make-up generally sends the message the woman cares how she’s seen by men. Wearing no make-up at a social occasion could imply, in some people’s minds, that she doesn’t care how she’s received. Some people claim to admire that, but it’s not the most endearing quality if one doesn’t care how one is seen by others. 😉 Remember there’s difference between make-up and fake-up. 😉 When it doesn’t amount to deception (professional characterisation could, for instance), it’s a bit like wearing a nice dress rather than coming to a party in worn jeans and a baggy sweater. 😉 And, just because men like that kind of thing, doesn’t mean they don’t respect women. Disrespectful it is when it’s caring for looks in such a way as to ignore the totality, the integral entity of the person, seeing the girl (or guy) as merely a piece of flesh.
This thread was ill-advised. I just like to complain. On the inside I know I need to become better before I start attracting what I’m interested in rather than creepy guys and nerds (what I normally get), but at the same time, I don’t want to bother, because I probably won’t get the results I want anyway. COMPLAIN.
Prettier does not equal better. And I wouldn’t exactly say you need to become a better person to get prettier guys, either.

Also, please note that those “creepy guys” are brothers in faith. God loves them. You don’t have to like them, but you have to love them (charity) and shouldn’t deny their worth.

Oh, and yeah, what’s wrong with nerds? If you don’t like someone who lives partly in a virtual world and feeds on tons of obscure trivia, devoting a lot of time to a technological, scientific or academic hobby or work, well, that’s your right, but this doesn’t make the person bad. Personally, I’m proud of being a nerd more than I am of being handsome and I’ve got a lot of positive feedback on both. It’s not like those nerds automatically lack people skills or hygiene, either. In fact, not all of them live in a virtual world, either.

Seriously, stop thinking what your friends will think about your guy or how “cool” he is to the rest of your social circle. You need a good husband, not a highly noted trophy to best other girls. 😉 I’m not saying you don’t have a personal problem with nerds, but nerds are mostly resented because… because they are already resented by the wider public. 🙂 Don’t let group thinking get you. Ever. 🙂
 
And about your interest in “traditional Catholic girls”: If you like them meek and willing to go along with whatever you say,
Meek? And what else do we call Jesus? Meek and of humble heart. 🙂 In fact, I expect a girl to stand up to me if she doesn’t agree with me, but I don’t like the new trend for girls to wear the breeches in a relationship.
As to the poster on confidence: this sounds dumb to outside ears, but I refuse to try and become confident in myself. Pretending you don’t suck if you do would just make me look retarded to the kind of eyes I’m trying to attract. I want someone who can see through BS, and fake-confidence is that.
Agreed except you don’t suck. You got one thing right: you have to be yourself. Actually, what you’ve just said betrays quite a lot of confidence. Some other parts of your post, and other posts, also do, even up to the point of slight condescension. You may have a self-esteem problem, but it’s by no means true that you can’t gather any confidence in yourself. Perhaps it’s different on the Internet and in real life or among people you would never make a pass on and those you would.
This thread is filled with issues and fail on my side. I’m never dating someone on CAF, though, so don’t really care.
Shshh… Don’t denigrate yourself. That isn’t going anywhere. You know your worth, you just want someone to appreciate it. And you can certainly get the confidence. You just can’t seem to come across a guy you could honestly fall for and you don’t want to compromise. Which isn’t a bad thing, actually. Just get rid of looking at his position on the roster and see him for what he is to you. 😉

Oh and emm… I think I’ve taken some five posts. That’s quite a lot, if nothing close to my record, so I guess I’d better lay quiet for a while now. 😛 Now, you do seem to be a nice and smart lady, although some guys may be intimidated by your own nerdiness (and no, I’m not confusing “nerds” with “geeks”… I’m a friggin’ D&D portal staffer, so I know my geek bits :p) and perhaps a bit of an aloof, standoffish attitude, which some may see as condescending or disdainful. Guys don’t want to be disdained and while they like confidence, they flee arrogance. And, unless he’s only in for the sex, or he’s seriously emasculated, a guy will not fancy being a girl’s lesser, a configuration in which he’s subservient. They may feel that way in the beginning and then be somewhat disinclined from going further. I know what I’m talking about, I have the same problem with people. Except I don’t want a guy for a romantic relationship, naturally. 😃 Now enough from me for a while, really. 😃
 
So I’m trying to figure something out. This may well come off as inflammatory, but I need to complain.

Men I know (the ones that are worth marrying) say they look for smart women, and they marry them, but by the sample I’ve seen of these marriages these women are also hot. Why don’t they just admit they want hot chicks?

In my experience they also say that they don’t like women with makeup, they like them to look natural, but then why do they pay so much more attention to you when you’re wearing makeup?

These are good Catholic boys (grown-up men, some of them) I’m talking about, so don’t go saying, “Oh, real Catholic men are different.” It doesn’t seem true.
I used to look at the mother. If she had good child rearing hips, well, you were in. Yep 👍 . You know I’m kidding. Tim
 
Nevarlander,

What you need is a gentleman. They are a bit tough to find, but find a guy who, you know, understands manners.

For example, (and my mother drilled this into me!) take a look at George Washington’s Rules of Civility

This is a good starting place.

And men out there, all women like being treated like a lady. My current (and probably my very last 🙂 ) girl-friend certainly does. And so do all the women I have known. But the real key, guys, is to always behave like a gentleman, especially when it hurts!
 
I used to look at the mother. If she had good child rearing hips, well, you were in. Yep 👍 . You know I’m kidding. Tim
LOL, the chubby peasant-ness skips generations in my family. I got it, my mom didn’t. I’ve decided I need to get married just so it looks natural b/c I’ve had a bunch of kids rather than the truth - that I need to put down the fork.

I’m over the man-snit that started this thread. You guys are OK, I guess. 😛
 
Nevarlander,

What you need is a gentleman. They are a bit tough to find, but find a guy who, you know, understands manners.

For example, (and my mother drilled this into me!) take a look at George Washington’s Rules of Civility

This is a good starting place.

And men out there, all women like being treated like a lady. My current (and probably my very last 🙂 ) girl-friend certainly does. And so do all the women I have known. But the real key, guys, is to always behave like a gentleman, especially when it hurts!
My dad bought a copy of that when the two of us went to Colonial Williamsburg, and gave it to my brother right when he hid teenager-hood. The boy’s reaction was priceless. I had looked at it and thought it was a good basic guideline no matter who you were.
 
But the real key, guys, is to always behave like a gentleman, especially when it hurts!
Not the easiest thing in the world to do. I can tell ya that much! Takes a very strong person to be able to do that.
 
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