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What do we call this new religion influenced by secularism and feminism?
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The heresy of modernism.
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…I wonder what Jesus would think about the negative posts about my Archbishop Sean` Patrick O’Malley???
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Annunciata said:
Is Christ against “negativity”? He may think that some are upset at his bishop’s failure to Shepherd and his bishop’s compromise with feminists that cause confusion among the faithful.
Also, I wonder what Christ thinks of those who seem to support indifferentism?
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Jesus hung out with sinners, tax collectors, prostitutes, etc. A certain Samaritan woman comes to mind… He asked her for a drink of water… Another washed His feet with her tears…
I thought the washing of the feet at “The Last Supper” was to show service/love to one another???
I really think you should be praying for this Shepherd, not criticizing him. I know that’s what Jesus would do…
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If you do not understand what washing of the feet intends, please learn more about it. The rubrics mention only men for a reason.
As for what Jesus would do, that is your opinion. I could just as well say he would take a whip and drive out those who would compromise His Church.
I pray for this bishop and make my needs known as the Church tells us we should do. That may mean criticism for some bishops as to their prudential decisons on matters of Church discipline.
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HagiaSophia
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Actually that is the “new line” used to rationalize including women in the feet washing. It was not what was taught for umpteen years and the original liturgical meaning has far more to do with ordination than it does with “service” which is why men were solely representative.
If what you say is true, why then do you think O’Malley sought the Vatican’s advice? He knows what it is supposed to signify.
I like O’Malley, my heart aches for the via crucis which he walks but I regret he acquiesced. As bishop he made the decision, I certainly understand that he has the authority to do so, but I find it regretful and I think he and others who made these poor choices in rubrics and liturgical practice will rue the day down the road.
It’s what comes of the sickness now prevalent among members of the National councils - they seek to please the world, it never works out, because the world will continue to demand more and more…there is no end.
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Indeed. VOTF would be proud of the newer line.
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Quite true! And Jesus only got angry at those who demanded that everyone carry out the letter of the law!
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HagiaSophia
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It’s what all dissidents talk about “service” - however, one should note that there seems very little “service” offered and it always comes down to power, authority and public notice.
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Oh, I know very well…but I object to your unfair
criticism of him.
I think that Jesus loves him very much and that’s why He sent him to Boston…After all, doesn’t He chastise those He loves…
I don’t doubt that…but please try to understand what he is up against in this horrendous situation he has been put in here in my Archdiocese of Boston.
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Deacon Tony560:
The hypocrisy we see today is among the liberals who want to be called Christians, but do the absolute minimal and then take cover by proof texting the bible and creating an entire theology out of a line here and a line there.
He became angry with hypocrisy, Deacon. He said of the Pharisees that people should do exactly as they tell you, but do not do as they do.
The hypocrisy we see today is among the liberals who want to be called Christians, but do the absolute minimal and then take cover by proof texting the bible and creating an entire theology out of a line here and a line there.
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You mean to say fair criticism, because it is fair.
Of course He loves him, but that does not mean he is acting correctly in each circumstance.
God bless you and please pray for me.
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HagiaSophia
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Deacon Tony560:
And your recollections of Scripture are a bit different than mine; Jesus got angry at Peter, He got angry at the buyers and sellers in the Temple, He got angry at the fig tree and heaven only knows in the OT God got angry at a number of other things too.
Then why do we have rubrics or liturgical norms at all?
And your recollections of Scripture are a bit different than mine; Jesus got angry at Peter, He got angry at the buyers and sellers in the Temple, He got angry at the fig tree and heaven only knows in the OT God got angry at a number of other things too.
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He also asked, if it was better to break the law of the Sabbath or heal a person. Jesus was a revolutionary. There were many man made laws of the temple that burdened people. Legalism was not accepted by Jesus then and will not survive today.
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Legalism is used all the time to skirt around the litrugical laws.
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Deacon Tony560:
I think the reason he did consult Rome is that since he created a hornet’s nest last year, he didn’t want to tip over the beehive this year, as it were…
I think we agree that Archbishop Sean intends to do the right thing…especially after last year’s repercussions from…how do you some of you say the Feminazi’s…
I think the reason he did consult Rome is that since he created a hornet’s nest last year, he didn’t want to tip over the beehive this year, as it were…
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Deacon Tony560:
Deacon Tony560:
Jesus condemned the pharasical mouthings with the hypocritical practice by those of His day. Both pastoral practice and formalized ritual are needed, common sense is called for, I suspect that is why prudence is considered such a virtue, the Church through many years has learned much.
It also learned that caving in to the fads of the secular world was not the way to shepeherd the flock. Fads and customs and political expediency come and go The Church is to be a rock. Those symbols, those practices are there for a reason; they have meaning, they provide visible signs and witness. I, for one, resent their removal and again, I regret that Bishop O’Malley for whom I have the greatest compassion should have done so.
I’m sorry Deacon, respectuflly to me this is utter hogwash and the stuff of liberation theology which seeks to use the Christian faith for a political agenda. Christ is the renewer, of the contract and the covenant between God and His creation. He came to fulfill the Law as He tells us.
Deacon Tony560:
Legalism not in tension with pastoral practice is as much a deterrent to the message of Jesus as is practicing pastoral practice without a formalized understanding of the faith.
Jesus condemned the pharasical mouthings with the hypocritical practice by those of His day. Both pastoral practice and formalized ritual are needed, common sense is called for, I suspect that is why prudence is considered such a virtue, the Church through many years has learned much.
It also learned that caving in to the fads of the secular world was not the way to shepeherd the flock. Fads and customs and political expediency come and go The Church is to be a rock. Those symbols, those practices are there for a reason; they have meaning, they provide visible signs and witness. I, for one, resent their removal and again, I regret that Bishop O’Malley for whom I have the greatest compassion should have done so.
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May I respecfully suggest that the reason he did so was that Bishop O’Malley knows precisely what the church has taught about that ritual, what is symbolizes and for whom it is meant.II think the reason he did consult Rome is that since he created a hornet’s nest last year, he didn’t want to tip over the beehive this year, as it were…
Knowing that, he could not “cave in” comfotably to the hysterical and well organized contingent which seeks in every diocese these days to create revisionist history he asked the Roman contingent to offer advice.
When the Vatican told him it ws for men, but he should do as he wishes, he chose not to battle them again this year. I find it regrettable. Do I have compassion for his situation? Yes I do - but I disagree with his solution.
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Everyone has a right to their opinion. I chose to be faithful to the Magisterium. If you want to refer to then as hog wash, that is your right. Nothing that I said is in conflict with the teaching authority of the church.
May God bless you. We can agree to disagree.
May God bless you. We can agree to disagree.
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