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You are much kinder than I. The poor bishop, I am sure is a holy man, but seems to lack courage.
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HagiaSophia
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Sean O’Malley is not only one of the most spiritual leaders we have, he is one of the most humble in the true meaning of that word… He has taken on the labors of Hercules in his diocese and for that alone I expect he shall “receive a shining crown” but in this decision he was wrong IMHO.
I believe the problem is that he is absolutely beaten down into the ground up to his neck in crocodiles and wolves. How much can one man take? My heart aches for him, I hope God sends him succor and the blessing of a faithful friend or two who will keep his confidence.
I believe he sought help in Rome, hoping to relieve himself of making this decision, thinking they would perhaps release a statement shoring up the age old practice of the Holy Thursday foot washings. They, as is their usual wont these days, when pushed to the wall, equivocated. Equivocation leads to taking the easiest way out.
So no, I don’t believe Sean O’Maley is weak, I don’t believe he likes what is happening, I think he is overwhelmed by a lack of support among his peers for rubrics, is exhausted from living every day as if he were in battle with Old Nick himself and has inherited the tainted, divided congregations his predecessor left him with.
May God have mercy on Him, May the angels come in his dreams to comfort him and may the Blessed Theotokos send Michael with his fiery sword to protect him.
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Deacon Tony560:
I do not recall HagiaSofia ever stating that the Magisterium is hogwash. You misconstrued the words to make them say something other than what was intended.
The published Vatican documents say that only men’s feet are to be washed. If that teaching of the Magisterium has changed, that is, that the washing of feet is not intended to symbolize the scene at the Last Supper but instead has become something else, why is there no documents to support this so we can move on and stop arguing about it?
Deacon Tony,
I do not recall HagiaSofia ever stating that the Magisterium is hogwash. You misconstrued the words to make them say something other than what was intended.
The published Vatican documents say that only men’s feet are to be washed. If that teaching of the Magisterium has changed, that is, that the washing of feet is not intended to symbolize the scene at the Last Supper but instead has become something else, why is there no documents to support this so we can move on and stop arguing about it?
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so typical. then why have a requirement if a bishop can change it? this is the same problem with bishop flynn and the homos. this sums up the mistakes of the post VII management.
the way you worship reflects what you believe and ultimately how you live. imagine the military allowing base commanders to do away with customs and courtesies. it doesn’t work. we need boundaries and structure. otherwise our fallen nature takes over.
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I’m most disturbed about the VOTF person being involved in diocesian activites…talk about having a fox watching the henhouse…
BTW, I wish one of the ‘parishes’ that he closed was the Paulist Center…
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, said Ann Carter, a spokeswoman for the archbishop.
Thank God he did not think washing monkeys’ feet was “best for Boston”.
But who can say about another country now, where/when the bishop thinks monkeys need to be included because “he thought it was best for the village” ?
Gotta love this “church” !
It beats the Tom & Jerry show, hands down.
One more vote for the sig:
**To destroy a Religion, I must first sever its traditions.....**.every last one of them.
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HagiaSophia
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Deacon Tony560:
May He continue to bless you also and we can certainly agree to disagree in a civil manner. I would however appreciate it if in the future you do not attribute to me things I did not say nor even infer.
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Pandora
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Yes O’Malley is a gentle soul. Too gentle for the rable that is the ADOB. We need someone like Burke to smack us around and get the desenters to behave!
Do feel bad for him? Sure who wouldn’t with this group. But he made a big mistake by not clearing house of Law’s holdovers. He should have gotten rid of Bishop lying dog Lennon and the legal team that helped lead to the scandal. The Roger’s law firm is the one that helped them with settlements and hush money all these years.
Arch-Bishop O’Malley needs to get a backbone and stop caving to secularist, modernist, feminists and heretics!
And since he is closing my Church i plan on yelling from the roof tops. They say they will keep the latin mass but we have no Church to have it in. The FSSP said they will give us 2 priest’s and Lennon says they don’t need priest’s then tells us they have no priest’s. Am i to trust these guys any more? I think not!
Boo Hoo al you want to O’Malley but I will not join you.
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AND NO HE SOULD NOT HAVE CAVED TO A BUNCH OF PUSHY BROADS!
Do feel bad for him? Sure who wouldn’t with this group. But he made a big mistake by not clearing house of Law’s holdovers. He should have gotten rid of Bishop lying dog Lennon and the legal team that helped lead to the scandal. The Roger’s law firm is the one that helped them with settlements and hush money all these years.
Arch-Bishop O’Malley needs to get a backbone and stop caving to secularist, modernist, feminists and heretics!
And since he is closing my Church i plan on yelling from the roof tops. They say they will keep the latin mass but we have no Church to have it in. The FSSP said they will give us 2 priest’s and Lennon says they don’t need priest’s then tells us they have no priest’s. Am i to trust these guys any more? I think not!
Boo Hoo al you want to O’Malley but I will not join you.
Kathy
AND NO HE SOULD NOT HAVE CAVED TO A BUNCH OF PUSHY BROADS!
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aimee
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This is what we received from our archbishop last year:I think we agree that Archbishop Sean intends to do the right thing…especially after last year’s repercussions from…how do you some of you say the Feminazi’s…
I think the reason he did consult Rome is that since he created a hornet’s nest last year, he didn’t want to tip over the beehive this year, as it were…
At the celebration of the Evening Mass of the Lord’s Supper on Holy Thursday, the rite of the Washing of the Feet is optional. Where it is celebrated in the Archdiocese of Atlanta, it is my decision that the rubric of the Roman Missal shall be observed, that is, that twelve men (viri selecti) should be chosen from the community to take the part of the Apostles during this rite, other directions in the Paulist ordo, or any other liturgical publications notwithstanding.** The “Mandatum” or Washing of the Feet, should be explained to the Faithful as a representation of Christ’s linkage of the institution of the Eucharist to the establishment of the Ordained Priesthood**, and the burden of service placed upon those who are called to the Priesthood, in keeping with the events described and recalled in this most solemn Mass.
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aimee:
:clapping: Atlanta is blessed to have such a shepherd.
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Dr. Bombay:
Do you know that we actually had some priests not comply…
Thank you but we just recieved a new Archbishop this year and I’m not so sure…he is a really nice man but I’m concerned because the directive I posted was from Archbishop Donahue and he retired and now we have Archbishop Wilton Gregory, so far Archbisop Gregory hasn’t said anything about it.
Do you know that we actually had some priests not comply…
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Pity.
This looks like it’s shaping up to be another communion in the hand and girl altar boys scenario: The American Church allows and even encourages abuses while thumbing their nose at clear directives from the Vatican. Eventually, the Vatican caves and “approves” the abuses giving them an air of legitimacy. The modernists, liberals and feminazis wag their fingers at loyal, orthodox Catholics and say, “Get over it. It’s been approved by Rome!” Loyal Catholics give up, become Fundys, Mormons or SSPXers. :nope:Even those who study history are bound to repeat it, like an awful movie we’ve seen dozens of times.
And I’m not surprised you had priests not comply. Progressives aren’t exactly known for their humiltiy and obedience.
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HagiaSophia,
Your post brings tears to my eyes…I could not even come close to finding the words you have so aptly use to describe Archbishop Sean` and all that is going through. Thank you.
Bless You,
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HagiaSophia,
Your post brings tears to my eyes…I could not even come close to finding the words you have so aptly used to describe Archbishop Sean` and all that he is going through. Thank you.
Bless You,
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HagiaSophia
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When you see him someday give him a hug from one who loves the Caps. God bless them. And tell him “thank you” for taking on this thankless, no win job. There is a piece written by Fr. Rollheiser today which talks about all of us having duties and burdens and the difference it makes to our spiritual lives to do it with love and with acceptance. That to me is precisely what Bp O’Malley has done. So while I am distinctly unhappy about the Holy Thursday event, I know how large are the burdens which beat on him day after day. I couldn’t have done it and I think it may kill the poor man.HagiaSophia,
Your post brings tears to my eyes…I could not even come close to finding the words you have so aptly used to describe Archbishop Sean` and all that he is going through. Thank you.
Bless You,
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HagiaSophia
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I had to laugh aloud when I read your post; I have a dear Capuchin friend, I would be ranting and raving about this, that or the other in the Church. He would listen and give me some “spiritual” or “religious” response and I would pull my hair, roll my eyes and say “Oh must you be so Franciscan?” He would just laugh.
When we all get to heaven and St. Peter asks all of those who had devotion to the beatitude of : "Blessed are the peacemakers " to stand up, hundreds of thousands of brown robes will get to their spiritual feet I know. What a great gift St. Francis left us.
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My pleasure…I’ll have an opportunity to see him soon… Gotta love those Caps…
I’ll tell him that he has many who love him and are praying for him here on CA…Who knows, maybe he is even on these fora and already knows that…
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I can’t disagree with you. However, your discription, and I am saying this without malice, is that of a weak bishop. I pray he gets more strength, and as another poster said he needs the strength of a Bishop Burke.
The problem with all these situations is that when nothing changes, or when the liberals are given more latitude, it only causes greater confusion and more cracks in the faith of the faithful.
How is the average Catholic who is trying to live their faith to view all these conflicting signals coming from their Shepherds?
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Yes, I do believe that closing parishes is God’s work in Boston right now in order to create stronger, more vibrant resources. For several decades this archdiocese has struggled with finances and can no longer afford to sustain so many parishes with badly needed maintenance with the number of current parishioners. Some people believe, “Build a church on every street corner, and the people will come.” Unfortunately, this just isn’t the case, and at this moment Boston needs to pool resources in order to invest in the future. Parishioners aren’t thrown out on the street. They are welcomed and invited to attend other parishes in their area. Some people outside of Boston may not realize that there are parishioners who are being asked to relocate less than a mile away.
Pandora:
Maybe Archbishop O’Malley is what Boston needs right now, a gentle shepherd. God doesn’t make mistakes, and I trust in God’s wisdom in bringing our archbishop to us.
People on this forum also seem to still equate people who support the washing of women’s feet on Holy Thursday with feminists and others who want “progressive,” radical change in the Church. This is simply not true. I am not a progressive or a liberal, and I am not crying for women priests or married clergy or any of the other radical changes some would like to see.
The Vatican has allowed the archbishop some latitude in this situation, and he has decided to take it. You of course have the right to disagree with the decision and are free to voice that opinion (even send the archbishop a letter), but it is not necessary to lash out against Archbishop O’Malley and everyone who supports him.
Did Jesus smack His followers around or did he guide them over and over again, despite their many failures? Does a shepherd need to lay the smack down in order to be a sheperd?
Maybe Archbishop O’Malley is what Boston needs right now, a gentle shepherd. God doesn’t make mistakes, and I trust in God’s wisdom in bringing our archbishop to us.
People on this forum also seem to still equate people who support the washing of women’s feet on Holy Thursday with feminists and others who want “progressive,” radical change in the Church. This is simply not true. I am not a progressive or a liberal, and I am not crying for women priests or married clergy or any of the other radical changes some would like to see.
The Vatican has allowed the archbishop some latitude in this situation, and he has decided to take it. You of course have the right to disagree with the decision and are free to voice that opinion (even send the archbishop a letter), but it is not necessary to lash out against Archbishop O’Malley and everyone who supports him.
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ElisabethAnne,
You are absolutely correct! This post reflects my sentiments to a “T”. God bless you for your courage of conviction! We need more faithful Catholics like you!
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