Brain-dead "liturgy committee" members?

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Bobby Jim:

I guess it’s fine if he wants to do that. Hopefully the former members of the committee took it the right way, although as others have pointed out there are some things like decoration and music that many priests need some help with - will these folks that he dismissed with a smile and a wave of his hand be so willing to step right up and lend a hand when asked, for this or anything else in the parish?

Tell me why there must be a “liturgy committee” to handle music and decoration. Neither of those issues are “liturgy”. You could have a group that helps with music selection and a group to do decorations.

I am still waiting for an answer to my question as to what a “liturgy committee” is and what it does.

 

[puzzleannie]

ByzCath:

I am still waiting for an answer to my question as to what a “liturgy committee” is and what it does.

main function is to see to training and scheduling of lectors, ushers, EEM’s (tho if liturgy was done right we would not need the latter) and altar servers, see to it that everybody shows up. Sacristan should be the one who sees that everything is in place (this should be a paid position and person should be thoroughly trained by diocese and pastor, be very well acquainted with liturgy, church year etc.)

The scheduling and phone calls to remind people seems to be what the priests want to be free of and so they should. There used to something called Altar and Rosary Society for ladies who decorated the church, saw to altar linens, cleaned vestments when needed, cleaned the church, handled flowers, watered plants etc. sometime in the 70s when we got bit into felt banners and butterflies hanging from the rafters, the A&R disappeared, their place taken by the same lovely people who brought you liturgical dancing.

 

[Nota_Bene]

puzzleannie:

main function is to see to training and scheduling of lectors, ushers, EEM’s (tho if liturgy was done right we would not need them) and altar servers, see to it that everybody shows up. Sacristan should be the one who sees that everything is in place (this should be a paid position and person should be thoroughly trained by diocese and pastor, be very well acquainted with liturgy, church year etc.)

It is not the job of such committees to train lectors (of which mostly are seminarians today) and EEM’s (none exist.)

If they are indeed training readers and extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion, they are doing a crummy job for the most part – nationwide.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

puzzleannie:

main function is to see to training and scheduling of lectors, ushers, EEM’s (tho if liturgy was done right we would not need the latter) and altar servers, see to it that everybody shows up. Sacristan should be the one who sees that everything is in place (this should be a paid position and person should be thoroughly trained by diocese and pastor, be very well acquainted with liturgy, church year etc.)

So what you are telling me is that this isn’t really a liturgy committee, it is more of a committee that oversees volunteers and makes sure that the scheduling and training is done.

This is not what the liturgy committee did where I went though RCIA.

There were people who headed each group of volunteers. One for EEM’s, one for lectors, one for altar servers, one for sacristans (actually that one was me). They (we) scheduled for our own group and set up training as needed. These schedules were passed on to one person to publish (again me).

The liturgy committee did other things.

So I guess, there is no such thing as a “liturgy committee”. It seems that parishes use the name “liturgy committee” for a group that meets that does somethings in one parish and others in another.

 

[Nota_Bene]

puzzleannie:

main function is to see to training and scheduling of lectors, ushers, EEM’s (tho if liturgy was done right we would not need them) and altar servers, see to it that everybody shows up. Sacristan should be the one who sees that everything is in place (this should be a paid position and person should be thoroughly trained by diocese and pastor, be very well acquainted with liturgy, church year etc.)

It is not the job of such committees to train lectors (of which mostly are seminarians today) and EEM’s (none exist.)

If they are indeed training readers and extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion, they are doing a crummy job for the most part – nationwide.

 

[krazykatlady]

ByzCath:

I really do not understand what a “liturgy committee” is nor what is should do.

Can someone please spell this out for me.

Their job is to make felt banners to hang around the church and to compose banal prayers for the “prayers of the faithful.” I was on a liturgy committee at one time and that is what we did.

 

[Nota_Bene]

ByzCath:

This is a terrible comment. Even if the deacons in your diocese do their classes though mail-order, that is not how it is done everywhere.

It sure isn’t that way where I live. Nor is this the case for the diaconate program in the Byzantine and Melkite Churches. While they do not get masters, they must have a bachelors or equivalant and then they havea 4 year program with classes at the semianry.

I stand by my comments. Those “mail order masters” have less rigor and length to them than many associates of arts programs at local community colleges.

It’s a misnomer to suggest these men are necessarily well educated (and/or formed) because they have their “masters” or because they are deacons.

I know the Ruthenian/Byzantines take classes each summer for a couple of weeks at a seminary in Pennsylvania. After 4 years they have spent a big 8 weeks “in seminary.” The rest of their education is through the mail – at least here in California. Your comment “…with classes at the seminary” suggests they are going full-time, weekends, or at night and that’s simply not the case in many (most?) instances.

 

[Lurch104]

Nota Bene:

I stand by my comments. Those “mail order masters” have less rigor and length to them than many associates of arts programs at local community colleges.

It’s a misnomer to suggest these men are necessarily well educated (and/or formed) because they have their “masters” or because they are deacons.

Well educated or not, you should edit for tone. I am sure many people found your post to be extremely disrespectful. Remember these are ordained men who are following God’s call. Furthermore, most diocese require that applicants to the permanent diaconate hold, at a minimum, an undergraduate degree.

Tempus Fugit, Memento Mori

 

[Nota_Bene]

Lurch104:

Well educated or not, you should edit for tone. I am sure many people found your post to be extremely disrespectful. Remember these are ordained men who are following God’s call. Furthermore, most diocese require that applicants to the permanent diaconate hold, at a minimum, an undergraduate degree.

Tempus Fugit, Memento Mori

I find it horribly difficult (a shortcoming on my end) to listen to more than a few deacons who claim to be “experts” in certain areas, when in reality they don’t have a darned clue.

I also have a hard time understanding how some men are actually chosen for diaconate formation, while others are not – I have been shocked from both positions.

I need to apply one day to see if I would be accepted as a potential candidate. Then perhaps I could deviate a few units. LOL! what am I saying? People like me simply don’t become deacons!

OK, back to reality…

 

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As they say at a Football Game, “Way to go Father!” YOU are the Litergy committee, that is the way it should be!

We have 5 Catholic Churches in my town, with 2 of them very large (3000 + parishoners). Mine is one of the large ones.

For years we have one Committee called the Altar Committee. All they do is to provide flowers and to place them near the Altar. But we are old fashioned in that we are enjoying the absence of a Liturgical Committee.

 

[puzzleannie]

Nota Bene:

It is not the job of such committees to train lectors (of which mostly are seminarians today) and EEM’s (none exist.)

If they are indeed training readers and extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion, they are doing a crummy job for the most part – nationwide.

I stand corrected, I am not on the liturgy committee, so I don’t know the lingo (just quoting the terminology they use)