Bread of Life

[The_heretic]

Christians say that the bible is the word of God; and being a Christian I agree. Do you agree? My guess is your answer is yes, if you are a Christian.
Let me take you to the part where Jesus was taken by the spirit to the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. The devil, the serpent as being more cunning than any beast of the field, he spoke, If thou be the son of man turn this stone into bread. Jesus did not turn it into bread but spoke; Thou shalt not live on bread alone but by the whole word of God.
Apparently, this incident found its way into scripture; therefore where God failed to turn the stone into bread, the Serpent turned it into bread; as a Christian would say—that the scripture is the “bread of life.”
But wait, as Christian you say that that part is not the word of God but the word of the Devil. I would call you a hypocrite as you just agreed with me when I asked you, is the bible the word of God? And how could the bible be the whole word of God if some of the words are not the word of God? If some of the words are not the word of God then what other words found in the bible is not the word of God? If this was found in the bible to be not the word of God, when any law-abiding Christian would say that the bible is the word of God then it makes me wonder what other words or passages found in the bible are not the word of God.
Like I said, the Devil turned the stone into bread; as scripture being the bread of life.

“Take a bite” said the serpent “eat of it” Without no choice to do so, you cannot resist.

 

[kparlet]

Christians say that the bible is the word of God; and being a Christian I agree. Do you agree? My guess is your answer is yes, if you are a Christian.
Let me take you to the part where Jesus was taken by the spirit to the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. The devil, the serpent as being more cunning than any beast of the field, he spoke, If thou be the son of man turn this stone into bread. Jesus did not turn it into bread but spoke; Thou shalt not live on bread alone but by the whole word of God.
Apparently, this incident found its way into scripture; therefore where God failed to turn the stone into bread, the Serpent turned it into bread; as a Christian would say—that the scripture is the “bread of life.”
But wait, as Christian you say that that part is not the word of God but the word of the Devil. I would call you a hypocrite as you just agreed with me when I asked you, is the bible the word of God? And how could the bible be the whole word of God if some of the words are not the word of God? If some of the words are not the word of God then what other words found in the bible is not the word of God? If this was found in the bible to be not the word of God, when any law-abiding Christian would say that the bible is the word of God then it makes me wonder what other words or passages found in the bible are not the word of God.
Like I said, the Devil turned the stone into bread; as scripture being the bread of life.

“Take a bite” said the serpent “eat of it” Without no choice to do so, you cannot resist.

To your argument regarding the fact that not every single word in the Bible comes from the mouth of Jesus yet Christians still refer to it as the Word of God I say this, “how well would an autobiography of your life be understood if you only had your words present?” All you would have is one-sided conversations, like listening to someone else talking on the phone. In order to understand the conversation properly, you need to hear both sides of it. Now, just because your autobiography includes other people’s words, quotes, or other types of messages doesn’t mean that it’s still not YOUR AUTOBIOGRAPHY/YOUR STORY/YOUR WORD.

 

[Maranatha]

the Serpent turned it into bread;

Which translation are you using and can you reference the part where the Serpent performs a miracle by turning the stone in to bread?

 

[FCEGM]

Christians say that the bible is the word of God; and being a Christian I agree. Do you agree? My guess is your answer is yes, if you are a Christian.
Let me take you to the part where Jesus was taken by the spirit to the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. The devil, the serpent as being more cunning than any beast of the field, he spoke, If thou be the son of man turn this stone into bread. Jesus did not turn it into bread but spoke; Thou shalt not live on bread alone but by the whole word of God.
Apparently, this incident found its way into scripture; therefore where God failed to turn the stone into bread, the Serpent turned it into bread; as a Christian would say—that the scripture is the “bread of life.”.

Piffle. You miss the entire point of the text wherein Christ in the desert is tempted by the devil to turn stones into bread in order to assuage His hunger by giving in to the devil’s temptation by doing what he (the devil) suggests. In opposition to this temptation He replies with Scripture: “Man lives not on bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.” In His human nature Jesus can do without the bread - thus leaving the stones as they are- but He cannot do without God. Further, as THE Word of God (cf. John 1), He contains His own sustenance within Himself. So there is no “failure” on His part, but rather fidelity.

But wait, as Christian you say that that part is not the word of God but the word of the Devil. I would call you a hypocrite as you just agreed with me when I asked you, is the bible the word of God? And how could the bible be the whole word of God if some of the words are not the word of God? If some of the words are not the word of God then what other words found in the bible is not the word of God? If this was found in the bible to be not the word of God, when any law-abiding Christian would say that the bible is the word of God then it makes me wonder what other words or passages found in the bible are not the word of God.
Like I said, the Devil turned the stone into bread; as scripture being the bread of life.

“Take a bite” said the serpent “eat of it” Without no choice to do so, you cannot resist.

More piffle. Descriptions of the temptation in the desert don’t comprise a “word of the devil”, no more than do the Gospel accounts of the crucifixion of Christ Jesus. Scripture leaves no doubt as to Who the Victor is in these episodes and the battles to come. Christ Himself is THE Word of God; Scripture is a collection of God-inspired and Church-recognized words about THE WORD made Flesh.

 

[George_Craft]

Good morning the_heretic,

Mat 4:3 And the tempter coming said to him: If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 Who answered and said: It is written, Not in bread alone doth man live, but in every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil took him up into the holy city, and set him upon the pinnacle of the temple,

Mark 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven: Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. 12 And immediately the Spirit drove him out into the desert. 13 And he was in the desert forty days and forty nights, and was tempted by Satan. And he was with beasts: and the angels ministered to him.

Luke 4:3 And the devil said to him: If thou be the Son of God, say to this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him: is written that Man liveth not by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil led him into a high mountain and shewed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

John’s Gospel doesn’t account this event you’re referring to. I’d have to ask where you got the impression Satan turned the stone into bread please. The Word of God is Jesus Christ, the Bible is man’s writing only what was inspired by the Holy Spirit of God, Satan has nothing to do with the Bible.

With love,
George

 

[The_heretic]

Which translation are you using and can you reference the part where the Serpent performs a miracle by turning the stone in to bread?

I already told you, scripture is the bread of life. The devil got his word in, it was a stone. He is now part of the bread of life. His word, his stone became part of scripture and scripture is the bread of life; therefore the devil turned his stone into bread. I can’t make it more clearer than that; so there is your miracle.
But if you refuse to hear what I am telling you then that is your problem.

 

[tee_eff_em]

I believe you make an error here:

the Serpent turned it into bread

That the Word of God quotes the word of the serpent does not credit the serpent with causing his word to be quoted. Especially note the serpent is quoted in negative example. If you break it down into small enough chunks, you can find all kinds of “bad” things in the bible – It includes words like “fornication”, “blasphemy”, and others. There are even “dirty” words, if you know where to look for them.*

Watch, as I quote you:

Christians say that the bible is the word of God; and being a Christian I agree. Do you agree? My guess is your answer is yes, if you are a Christian.
Let me take you to the part where Jesus was taken by the spirit to the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. The devil, the serpent as being more cunning than any beast of the field, he spoke, If thou be the son of man turn this stone into bread. Jesus did not turn it into bread but spoke; Thou shalt not live on bread alone but by the whole word of God.
Apparently, this incident found its way into scripture; therefore where God failed to turn the stone into bread, the Serpent turned it into bread; as a Christian would say—that the scripture is the “bread of life.”
But wait, as Christian you say that that part is not the word of God but the word of the Devil. I would call you a hypocrite as you just agreed with me when I asked you, is the bible the word of God? And how could the bible be the whole word of God if some of the words are not the word of God? If some of the words are not the word of God then what other words found in the bible is not the word of God? If this was found in the bible to be not the word of God, when any law-abiding Christian would say that the bible is the word of God then it makes me wonder what other words or passages found in the bible are not the word of God.
Like I said, the Devil turned the stone into bread; as scripture being the bread of life.

“Take a bite” said the serpent “eat of it” Without no choice to do so, you cannot resist.

See how easy?

(* Indeed, if you break the Word of God down into letters, you can spell every dirty word ever invented and some that haven’t been)

tee

 

[The_heretic]

Good morning the_heretic,

Mat 4:3 And the tempter coming said to him: If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 Who answered and said: It is written, Not in bread alone doth man live, but in every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil took him up into the holy city, and set him upon the pinnacle of the temple,

Mark 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven: Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. 12 And immediately the Spirit drove him out into the desert. 13 And he was in the desert forty days and forty nights, and was tempted by Satan. And he was with beasts: and the angels ministered to him.

Luke 4:3 And the devil said to him: If thou be the Son of God, say to this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him: is written that Man liveth not by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil led him into a high mountain and shewed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

John’s Gospel doesn’t account this event you’re referring to. I’d have to ask where you got the impression Satan turned the stone into bread please. The Word of God is Jesus Christ, the Bible is man’s writing only what was inspired by the Holy Spirit of God, Satan has nothing to do with the Bible.

With love,
George

Are you all telling me that the bible is not the word of God; as words found within it could or could not be necessary to it’s completion? So the bible is not necessarily complete or in other words that the prophets, as speaking from the holy spirit, could have wrote things that were not intended to be found within the bible? Or is every word within the bible–that which is supposed to be in the bible? Are there words that are not supposed to be in the bible? When I said the devil turned the stone to bread, I mean that his words became a part of scripture; as scripture being the bread of life; therefore the devil turned the stone into bread; as his words can be found within the bread of life, scripture. Or are you saying that scripture is not the bread of life; but only the words of Christ are the bread of life. But didn’t God intend every word found within the bible to be the word of God–if it, the bible, is to be believed. So the bible is the whole word of God, Do you mean that God did not intend for the Devil to get his word in? Then how is the bible to be believed if every word found within it is not God’s will to be found in the bible.
I rest my case. The Devil turned the stone into bread. Are you telling me that the Devil had no foreknowledge that his words would or would not be found within scripture centuries later. Was not the serpent more cunning than any beast of the field.

And without the word of the devil then how can Christ’s words be brought into context when He says, thou shall not live by bread alone but by the whole word of God. Therefore without the Devil saying if thou be the son of man then turn this stone into bread, we would have no context of what Christ spoke about. Therefore the word of the Devil became a part of that piece of bread because the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field.

 

[George_Craft]

Are you all telling me that the bible is not the word of God; as words found within it could or could not be necessary to it’s completion? So the bible is not necessarily complete or in other words that the prophets, as speaking from the holy spirit, could have wrote things that were not intended to be found within the bible? Or is every word within the bible–that which is supposed to be in the bible? Are there words that are not supposed to be in the bible? When I said the devil turned the stone to bread, I mean that his words became a part of scripture; as scripture being the bread of life; therefore the devil turned the stone into bread; as his words can be found within the bread of life, scripture. Or are you saying that scripture is not the bread of life; but only the words of Christ are the bread of life. But didn’t God intend every word found within the bible to be the word of God–if it, the bible, is to be believed. So the bible is the whole word of God, Do you mean that God did not intend for the Devil to get his word in? Then how is the bible to be believed if every word found within it is not God’s will to be found in the bible.
I rest my case. The Devil turned the stone into bread. Are you telling me that the Devil had no foreknowledge that his words would or would not be found within scripture centuries later. Was not the serpent more cunning than any beast of the field.

It sounds like you’re trying to twist words to meet you’re expectations for what you want to believe.

If I was to say the Bible is not God’s complete revelation to man for what he wants us to know, what would you’re response be? Would you say that I don’t think the Bible is completed?

Of course, that’s not even close to my statement, but it could be interpreted that way. Let me offer this verse of Scripture to make my point regarding the completeness of God’s revelation to man.

John 16:12 I have yet many things to say to you: but you cannot bear them now. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth. For he shall not speak of himself: but what things soever he shall hear, he shall speak. And the things that are to come, he shall shew you.

Satan did NOT write in the Bible. The fact that God decided to include mention of Satan or use his words is not the same thing. That would be like you quoting me in a book and saying I was an author of your book also.

I hope this helps explain my point better.

With love,
George

 

[Maranatha]

I already told you, scripture is the bread of life. The devil got his word in, it was a stone. He is now part of the bread of life. His word, his stone became part of scripture and scripture is the bread of life; therefore the devil turned his stone into bread. I can’t make it more clearer than that; so there is your miracle.
But if you refuse to hear what I am telling you then that is your problem.

Thanks for the correction. So, if I understand what your saying, if any character gets anything in to Scripture, they have turned it in to the bread of life?

 

[The_heretic]

It sounds like you’re trying to twist words to meet you’re expectations for what you want to believe.

If I was to say the Bible is not God’s complete revelation to man for what he wants us to know, what would you’re response be? Would you say that I don’t think the Bible is completed?

Of course, that’s not even close to my statement, but it could be interpreted that way. Let me offer this verse of Scripture to make my point regarding the completeness of God’s revelation to man.

Satan did NOT write in the Bible. The fact that God decided to include mention of Satan or use his words is not the same thing. That would be like you quoting me in a book and saying I was an author of your book also.

I hope this helps explain my point better.

With love,
George

Ok I’ll make this simple. If the bible is to be believed then every word found within it must be there because it is meant to be there; otherwise why should anyone believe anything that is found within it?
If the devil is God’s adversary or archnemesis then don’t you think that the devil is in fact way more intelligent to know that his words would be found within scripture because as the church teaches, the devil was Gods’ favourite angel therefore the devils’ power is extraordinary to that of man. Are you telling me the devil had no foreknowledge that as God’s adversary, his words would or would not be found in the bible?

The devil attached himself to Christ’s bread, as being part of that bread, when Christ spoke, Thou shalt not live by bread alone but by the whole word of God. Without the devil to bring that piece of bread into context then we would not have a clue as to what Christ was speaking about. Do you see how the devil has attached himself to that portion of bread?
Then, when the devil, when he spoke, If thou be the son of man then turn this stone into bread; remember, I told you that the devil, as it is taught by the church, is in fact a powerful being of light. The tongue of a serpent, if you can imagine is deceiving; how do you know that when the devil spoke he was not actually trying to attach his sense into scripture; as in revelation, there is a passage that says, You do not know the depths of Satan as they speak.
So, how do you know that, as the serpent being more cunning than any beast of the field that he did not intend for his words to be attached to that piece of bread–thou shalt not live by bread alone but by the whole word of God.
If the bible is God’s word then every word found within the bible is meant to be there. If the bible is not the whole word of God then that would discredit thee entire volume because you cannot come to agreement that as the bible is the word of God, as every word that is contained within it’s text are the words that are meant to be where the words are found.
So if the bible is the word of God as God intended every word found within the bible is meant to be where it is, then the word of the devil, If thou be the son of man then turn this stone into bread, is in fact the word of God because if you agree that every word in the bible is the word that is meant to be then the devil has just turned the stone into bread. But if you say that even one word or phrase is not necessarily meant to be found within the bible then you discredit the entire volume because if one phrase is not meant to be in the bible then that opens a whole possibility that many things contained within the bible are also not meant to be there; therefore the bible is not the word of God.

“Take a bite” said the serpent “eat of it” Without no choice to do so, you cannot resist

 

[richardeekw]

Please hold on before we go off-tangent.

Christians say that the bible is the word of God; and being a Christian I agree. Do you agree? My guess is your answer is yes, if you are a Christian.(writes Mr heretic)

Yes, as a ,Roman Catholic, I do agree that the Bible is the word of God. …
However, what I mean is that

• I believe that the Bible is the Inspired word of God that contains the Wisdom (like a Pointer) that will lead me to God, when I understand and live the message it advocates.
• The Bible in itself is Not God.
• I do not worship the Bible but Only the Living God, and proclaim that Jesus is Lord…
• As Jesus is True God and True Man, the Bible is “God Inspired” (Both Divine and human)
• God did not dictate each word to be written in the Bible.

Formation of the Written Gospels.

1. The Jesus event – Jesus of History – His Life, teachings, deeds, Passion/Death/Resurrection
2. Oral Tradition – A) Preaching the “Good News” B) Teaching what Jesus taught – his parables, word and deeds. C) Attending to the Pastoral needs of the early Christian communities. D) Liturgy – gathering for the “Breaking of Bread”.
3. Oral Tradition - From Aramaic (Hebrew) to Greek. - During the decade after the Resurrection of Jesus, the Church began to spread to Greek speaking people.
4. From Oral to Written Tradition – the evanglists gather,select and organize oral and written traditions about Jesus for their respective Christian communities – to teach, to edify and to correct.).

Now, Mr “heretic”, what about you personally – As a “Catholic” do you share my understanding about the Bible and the “word of God” and as to how the New Testament was formed?
If you do not agree, what then is your understanding?
Care to share, before we take this forum to a next stage ?​

The N.T. Scriptures (The word of God ) has a specific Spiritual message to lead us to Life.

In brief, in your quotation of the temptation of Jesus in the Wilderness, here are some points for reflection…

• Who “witnessed” the events of Jesus’ temptation.
• Did Jesus tell his experience of his conversation to the talking serpent?

The events has a specific Spiritual teaching to the People of God and to us.
The Israelites (covenanted People of God) failed in the desert wanderings, Jesus,(fully human), the true Israelite, the Son of God overcame temptation with total Trust in the Promises of God, the Father.

• How to overcome the sin of the flesh (Physical gluttony);, the sin of Presumption, and to Worship God alone… with the Word of God and His Promises.

Peace and the love of Christ be with you, my friend.

 

[George_Craft]

Ok I’ll make this simple. If the bible is to be believed then every word found within it must be there because it is meant to be there; otherwise why should anyone believe anything that is found within it?
If the devil is God’s adversary or archnemesis then don’t you think that the devil is in fact way more intelligent to know that his words would be found within scripture because as the church teaches, the devil was Gods’ favourite angel therefore the devils’ power is extraordinary to that of man. Are you telling me the devil had no foreknowledge that as God’s adversary, his words would or would not be found in the bible?

The devil attached himself to Christ’s bread, as being part of that bread, when Christ spoke, Thou shalt not live by bread alone but by the whole word of God. Without the devil to bring that piece of bread into context then we would not have a clue as to what Christ was speaking about. Do you see how the devil has attached himself to that portion of bread?
Then, when the devil, when he spoke, If thou be the son of man then turn this stone into bread; remember, I told you that the devil, as it is taught by the church, is in fact a powerful being of light. The tongue of a serpent, if you can imagine is deceiving; how do you know that when the devil spoke he was not actually trying to attach his sense into scripture; as in revelation, there is a passage that says, You do not know the depths of Satan as they speak.
So, how do you know that, as the serpent being more cunning than any beast of the field that he did not intend for his words to be attached to that piece of bread–thou shalt not live by bread alone but by the whole word of God.
If the bible is God’s word then every word found within the bible is meant to be there. If the bible is not the whole word of God then that would discredit thee entire volume because you cannot come to agreement that as the bible is the word of God, as every word that is contained within it’s text are the words that are meant to be where the words are found.
So if the bible is the word of God as God intended every word found within the bible is meant to be where it is, then the word of the devil, If thou be the son of man then turn this stone into bread, is in fact the word of God because if you agree that every word in the bible is the word that is meant to be then the devil has just turned the stone into bread. But if you say that even one word or phrase is not necessarily meant to be found within the bible then you discredit the entire volume because if one phrase is not meant to be in the bible then that opens a whole possibility that many things contained within the bible are also not meant to be there; therefore the bible is not the word of God.

“Take a bite” said the serpent “eat of it” Without no choice to do so, you cannot resist

I’m sorry, as simple as you try to make it, your premise holds no weight for me. Granted, this is only my perception, so please don’t think I’m trying to belittle your understanding, I only disagree with it.

To say Satan has the power to place himself into God’s guided inspiration, then you’re giving him credit for more power than he actually has. Satan is mentioned the same as any other person in the Bible, Job, Abraham, David, Paul, Peter and any other person mentioned or quoted.

When Steven Hawking quotes Einstein in his books, or when any author uses a quote to make a point, does that author then give up his authority as author?

With love,
George

 

[richardeekw]

I’m sorry.
I meant to post the above resply to Mr heretic under the Bread of Life thread.

 

[The_heretic]

To say Satan has the power to place himself into God’s guided inspiration, then you’re giving him credit for more power than he actually has. Satan is mentioned the same as any other person in the Bible, Job, Abraham, David, Paul, Peter and any other person mentioned or quoted.

As Darth Vader says, do not underestimate the power of the dark side. If Christ is the power that compells Satan then who do you say compells Christ, most of all? Is it not Satan; as Christ makes mention to the devil in many parables? So Satan is infact in God’s guided inspiration, in the matter that God wishes to vanquish, for lack of a better word, Satan’s power.
The power of Christ compells you. The power of Christ compells you…The power of Satan compells you, Jesus. The power of Satan compells you, Jesus…like I said, don’t underestimate the power of the darkside.

 

[Maranatha]

If the devil is God’s adversary or archnemesis then don’t you think that the devil is in fact way more intelligent to know that his words would be found within scripture because as the church teaches, the devil was Gods’ favourite angel therefore the devils’ power is extraordinary to that of man. Are you telling me the devil had no foreknowledge that as God’s adversary, his words would or would not be found in the bible?

Yes, the evil one had no foreknowledge that his words would be in the Bible - only God knew. Just because the evil one is greater then man does not mean that he has knowledge of the future.

Mat 4:4 (KJV) But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Jn 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jn 1:14 (KKJV) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jn 6:51 (KJV) I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

(emphasis mine, perhaps the original authors intended but forgot to bold their writing. )

So, in summary, you must live on the Word of God to have life, Jesus is the Word of God and so you must eat Jesus to have eternal life. Only the Church with true apostolic succession has the bread of Life which is the true body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ in the Eucharist.

 

[George_Craft]

If Christ is the power that compells Satan then who do you say compells Christ, most of all? Is it not Satan; as Christ makes mention to the devil in many parables? So Satan is infact in God’s guided inspiration, in the matter that God wishes to vanquish, for lack of a better word, Satan’s power.
The power of Christ compells you. The power of Christ compells you…The power of Satan compells you, Jesus. The power of Satan compells you, Jesus…like I said, don’t underestimate the power of the darkside.

I’m sorry, I have to leave now for work now, so I won’t be able to continue this conversation, but I’d like to leave you with this quote from Scripture, even though you may disagree with it since you question the validity of the inspired word of God.

Jude 1:6 And the angels who kept not their principality but forsook their own habitation, he hath reserved under darkness in everlasting chains, unto the judgment of the great day.

Your premise gives Satan power over God by inferring he could place his will into God’s. Satan is God’s created being, he’s not the anti-God, he’s the anti-Christ, which is something much lower.

By your inference, Satan has the power to block our hope, which is Jesus Christ, God in the flesh.

I enjoyed our discussion, and I thank you for getting me into the Bible today looking for specific points instead of daily readings.

With love,
George

 

[LilyM]

Ok I’ll make this simple. If the bible is to be believed then every word found within it must be there because it is meant to be there; otherwise why should anyone believe anything that is found within it?
If the devil is God’s adversary or archnemesis then don’t you think that the devil is in fact way more intelligent to know that his words would be found within scripture because as the church teaches, the devil was Gods’ favourite angel therefore the devils’ power is extraordinary to that of man. Are you telling me the devil had no foreknowledge that as God’s adversary, his words would or would not be found in the bible?

The devil attached himself to Christ’s bread, as being part of that bread, when Christ spoke, Thou shalt not live by bread alone but by the whole word of God. Without the devil to bring that piece of bread into context then we would not have a clue as to what Christ was speaking about. Do you see how the devil has attached himself to that portion of bread?
Then, when the devil, when he spoke, If thou be the son of man then turn this stone into bread; remember, I told you that the devil, as it is taught by the church, is in fact a powerful being of light. The tongue of a serpent, if you can imagine is deceiving; how do you know that when the devil spoke he was not actually trying to attach his sense into scripture; as in revelation, there is a passage that says, You do not know the depths of Satan as they speak.
So, how do you know that, as the serpent being more cunning than any beast of the field that he did not intend for his words to be attached to that piece of bread–thou shalt not live by bread alone but by the whole word of God.
If the bible is God’s word then every word found within the bible is meant to be there. If the bible is not the whole word of God then that would discredit thee entire volume because you cannot come to agreement that as the bible is the word of God, as every word that is contained within it’s text are the words that are meant to be where the words are found.
So if the bible is the word of God as God intended every word found within the bible is meant to be where it is, then the word of the devil, If thou be the son of man then turn this stone into bread, is in fact the word of God because if you agree that every word in the bible is the word that is meant to be then the devil has just turned the stone into bread. But if you say that even one word or phrase is not necessarily meant to be found within the bible then you discredit the entire volume because if one phrase is not meant to be in the bible then that opens a whole possibility that many things contained within the bible are also not meant to be there; therefore the bible is not the word of God.

“Take a bite” said the serpent “eat of it” Without no choice to do so, you cannot resist

First of all the mere fact that some word or words are in the Bible means nothing - you have to look at the context of WHY they are there. Sure everything that is in the Bible is intended to be there - but not each verse is put there for the same reason or is to be absorbed in exactly the same way as all the others. Some stories are there to give us good examples to follow (such as Jesus successfully resisting Satan’s temptation, or Mary’s prompt and willing obedience to God).

Some are there to give us NEGATIVE examples of what to AVOID and abominate - such as the story of Adam and Eve’s disobedience which leads to their ruin and that of all of mankind. Nothing tempting about hearing about that, I can assure you, unless you’re mentally defective in some way.

One example - the verse from Psalms which goes "the fool says in his heart ‘there is no God’’. This is God himself warning us against the foolishness of that very same belief. It’s hardly as if atheism is in any way presented in a positive light in that verse. Therefore it cannot be the word of the devil.

The devil would be telling us that it is an admirable and logical sentiment not to believe in God - he presents it in a most attractive light and would NOT do anything so counterproductive as to call those foolish who do not believe in God. The devil’s word wouldn’t show Adam and Eve’s ruin, it wouldn’t show Christ’s triumphant enmity with him, which started before the dawn of the world, or Christ’s victory over him on the cross

 

[LilyM]

As Darth Vader says, do not underestimate the power of the dark side. If Christ is the power that compells Satan then who do you say compells Christ, most of all? Is it not Satan; as Christ makes mention to the devil in many parables? So Satan is infact in God’s guided inspiration, in the matter that God wishes to vanquish, for lack of a better word, Satan’s power.
The power of Christ compells you. The power of Christ compells you…The power of Satan compells you, Jesus. The power of Satan compells you, Jesus…like I said, don’t underestimate the power of the darkside.

The power and love (which is a greater power than any mere negative compulsion) of the FATHER compels Christ to do battle with all those, great and small, who oppose Him and the Father. And nothing else - God is all powerful and more than sufficient unto himself. An “archnemesis” (which title is giving Satan more dignity and respect than he deserves) who is of God’s own creation is hardly His equal in power, let alone having any compulsion over God.

 

[YADA]

Mr Heretic,

I think you mis understand Holy Scriptures. The Bible is the ***Inspired Word of God. ***The Bible is not “dictated” by God nor written by Gods own divine hand. To find that type of collection or claim you must take your aguement to the Mormans and the Moslems.

The inspired word of God has meaning for Christians but Satan did not put words in God’s mouth or in God’s Holy Books. The words are written by the authors under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit for our benefit and for the benefit of Christians through the ages. Our bible is not even meant to be an evangelation tool [although it may certainly work that way] It is comprised of writings by a faith community *for *a faith community. It is afterall, primarily the *Canon of the Church, *a collection of the core beliefs and teachings of the Christian community. The Hebrew texts are a part of the Canon because we spring forth from the Jewish faith tradition. The New Testament writings were collected from the Tradition, they do not pre-date the Church but come forth from the Church like an offspring.