Breakaway SC Episcopal Diocese granted property/assets

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It’s sad that this decision had to be inflicted by the legal system, instead of the conflict being resolved in charity and peace between two professedly Christian organizations.
 
7_Sorrows said:
For those who remain that hold to tradition it must be a painful experience.
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… and for those who don’t hold so tightly to tradition, but do value unity, and for those who value variety, and for those who care about how it affects others…

It’s basically :nunchuk: versus :knight2:, producing a :slapfight: resulting in :blackeye: and :crutches:, when what we really need is :gopray2: and :console:, so that we can bring about some :).
 
Potter said:
It’s sad that this decision had to be inflicted by the legal system, instead of the conflict being resolved in charity and peace between two professedly Christian organizations.
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It is gratifying to see how, in this particular instance, and possibly with respect to some still under litigation, the results turned out.

GKC
 
Mystophilus said:
… and for those who don’t hold so tightly to tradition, but do value unity, and for those who value variety, and for those who care about how it affects others…

It’s basically :nunchuk: versus :knight2:, producing a :slapfight: resulting in :blackeye: and :crutches:, when what we really need is :gopray2: and :console:, so that we can bring about some :).
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You have maxed the smilies available in a single post. I therefore will refrain from commenting.

GKC
 
GKC said:
You have maxed the smilies available in a single post. I therefore will refrain from commenting.

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… he commented.

I hadn’t even realised that there was a limit, until I tried that comment with twelve of the things.
 
Mystophilus said:
It is not my branch of the Communion, and things feel different from a distance, but I would suggest that Anglican history says quite a lot about how bad it is to let ecclesiastical decisions be made by secular courts (not to mention 1Co 6:1, “Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?”).
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I think that you are absolutely right and it is a shame that both sides are letting the lawyers bleed them to death. What is also appalling is that many of the leaving congregations are often willing to pay a good sum of money to keep the property and settle the issue. However, PB Schori said she would rather see the buildings as bar than in the hands of a departed Anglican group. Thus, many parishes have been sold for pennies on the dollar for secular purposes.
Since the Communion as a whole recognises that it is a confederacy, a voluntary association of independent provinces, and since some provinces also recognise that they are associations of independent dioceses, the same ought to be able to apply within dioceses, or would that be just too baptist?
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My understanding of Episcopal history would seem to affirm this statement. Not to mention, the national church doesn’t pay for clergy, the upkeep of property, or anything else associated with the local parish. All of this is done by the parishioners.
 
GKC said:
You have maxed the smilies available in a single post. I therefore will refrain from commenting.

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Some posters max out smilies. Other posters put a dozen or more similes in a single post.
 
Several posters have mentioned the historical situation of the Episcopal Church in the US. I think it would be helpful for some context to this ruling to note that the Diocese of South Carolina was originally known as the Protestant Episcopal Church in South Carolina. It was created by a convention of Anglican clergy and laity in the state and considered itself an independent church, much like the original 13 states considered themselves sovereign states before the Federal government was created.

While the national Episcopal Church likes to equate itself to the US Federal Government under the Constitution, the SC Diocese argues that the national Episcopal Church is more akin to the government created under the Articles of Confederation in which the states were essentially sovereign nations.
 
ltwin said:
Several posters have mentioned the historical situation of the Episcopal Church in the US. I think it would be helpful for some context to this ruling to note that the Diocese of South Carolina was originally known as the Protestant Episcopal Church in South Carolina. It was created by a convention of Anglican clergy and laity in the state and considered itself an independent church, much like the original 13 states considered themselves sovereign states before the Federal government was created.

While the national Episcopal Church likes to equate itself to the US Federal Government under the Constitution, the SC Diocese argues that the national Episcopal Church is more akin to the government created under the Articles of Confederation in which the states were essentially sovereign nations.
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And one of the titles, among the names, styles, emblems or marks rightfully belonging and appertaining to the SC Diocese, exclusively, based on the historical record, and as ruled upon in the judgement rendered, as may be seen at the link, is still the Protestant Episcopal Church in the Diocese of South Carolina.

The point as to the name is also discussed in the decision, at the link, passim. Most edifying.

GKC
 
ltwin said:
Several posters have mentioned the historical situation of the Episcopal Church in the US. I think it would be helpful for some context to this ruling to note that the Diocese of South Carolina was originally known as the Protestant Episcopal Church in South Carolina. It was created by a convention of Anglican clergy and laity in the state and considered itself an independent church, much like the original 13 states considered themselves sovereign states before the Federal government was created.

While the national Episcopal Church likes to equate itself to the US Federal Government under the Constitution, the SC Diocese argues that the national Episcopal Church is more akin to the government created under the Articles of Confederation in which the states were essentially sovereign nations.
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Thank you for that history lesson about the Diocese of South Carolina. I did not know that.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Thank you for that history lesson about the Diocese of South Carolina. I did not know that.
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The nine exisiting dioceses that met to join in confederation and form the Episcopal Church, thus predated the Episcopal Church. In fact, most, if not all (I forget) predated the United States.

GKC
 
Indifferently said:
The Church of England vicar can bar a bishop from his church, if he sees fit. That was the legal arrangement prior to the Reformation, and the reason Rome could never claim the Protestants “stole” the English churches - rather, the clergy simply became Protestant and took their churches with them.
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Which is why I find it interesting that this totally changed when parishes wanted to join the Ordinariate.
 
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