I’m not sure how you got that I was calling “Episcopalians” scavengers. I said just the opposite. The next leader of the Anglican Communion is going to have to hold off scavengers, i.e. non-Anglicans.
Ok perhaps I misunderstand and if so I apologze. So who then are these non-Anglican/non Episcopalian “scavengers” that you refer too who the next leader will have too hold off, if they arent even Anglican/Episcopal members?
I really hope so, but I doubt it. My own opinion is that Africans and Asians may more likely split or become semi-autonomous and in a few more years or a decade/two- completely split eventually. I don’t see the radical liberal movement dying or taming any time soon, nor even willing to maintain the status quo for the sake of unity.
Marybeloved,
The Church of England dropped the ball as far back, arguably, as the 1970s – by virtue of the fact that they did not break off communion with churches that started ordaining women to the priesthood.
You mean something like this?
Unless I’m really missing something, Nine_Two’s “scavengers” metaphor seems pretty straight-forward. See, for example, Greener on the other side.
That’s not breaking news, even if it’s true. See for example:
No maybe it’s me missing something as to the word “scavenger”. In my mind it has a connotation related to filth and decay. So I thought all of you critical of liberal Christians were suggesting they are filthy and in decay. But a scavenger goes about searching for and collecting refuse, filth and decaying matter on whch to feed. So who exactly are they then? I apologize for not understanding who they are. Thanks ahead and Happy Saint Patty’s Day all! My taste buds are anticipating corned beef later! :bounce:
Catholics, Orthodox, other Protestants, Muslims, etc, etc. They are everyone who may benefit as a result of what is happening to the Anglican Church.
I think that is what is happening in North America and Europe, but what I see of the Church in other countries is that they jealously guard the old values. My parents visited an Anglican church in the Caribbean a few years ago, and my mother said it reminded her of church when she was a kid.I really hope so, but I doubt it. My own opinion is that Africans and Asians may more likely split or become semi-autonomous and in a few more years or a decade/two- completely split eventually. I don’t see the radical liberal movement dying or taming any time soon, nor even willing to maintain the status quo for the sake of unity.
More and more liberals are joining that communion, running from Catholicism and other Protestant Churches where the dream of the sixties and seventies liberation movements appears to have failed and on a retreat. These elements are more likely to push that communion to a split by their aggressive modernism than anything else.
Moreover, the conservatives and more Orthodox Anglicans are leaving in droves to join smaller and more traditional Anglican groups or the Orthodox and Catholic Churches. This ensures that the radical liberal elements will have total control of the Anglican Church in the Western World even faster and push a split with other more conservative communions in other areas sooner rather than later.
But that’s just my opinion.
No, The liberals are (to continue the metaphor) the rocks in the ocean. They are the ones who have led the church astray, and have brought on the scavengers. But they aren’t scavengers themselves.
Indeed, the “scavengers” in your metaphor can be just about anyone. Although personally (largely because I’m Catholic) I tend to think in terms of Catholicism and Orthodoxy being possible destinations for those fleeing what has been happening in the Anglican Communion. Or as Fr. Robert Hart (whose blog I mentioned ealier) likes to call them “the Two One True Churches”.
Ok thanks. I get your “scavenger” metaphor better. Find it more objectionable that you believe liberals have led the church astray? Yup you’re right on that account. I do find it objectionable. I’m heading out for a major portion of the day though. But I’m certain you have heard the arguments. You may not believe though they are reasoned of course. But others of faith do. God bless and peace and a most wonderful day.
