BREAKING: Archbishop of Canterbury to Resign

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dcointin said:
I have a very dear friend I went to college with who is now an Anglican priest. We attended the same college for Lutheran pre-seminary studies, but when I decided not to attend seminary and become Orthodox, he went on to seminary and there decided to become Anglican. He finished his studies at Nashotah House, and is now a priest in Louisianna. We share exactly the same faith, although in different communions, and I have the utmost respect for his work to promote orthodox Anglicanism from within it.
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dcointin,

I really appreciate your sharing this experience.

Anglicans (Anglo Catholics) and Orthodox are really not that far apart in belief and practice.
dcointin said:
I had the pleasure of meeting Bishop Ackerman with him, who is an absolutely wonderful man. He actually had a bit of fun with me: my friend was helping him unvest after liturgy, and Ackerman handed me his vestements, knowing that I couldn’t take them without a blessing. When I froze with a confused look on my face he started laughing then blessed me to touch them 😃 While he’s retired now, I pray that God would strengthen his brothers in the good fight.
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It’s always nice to find a Bishop with a sense of humor, especially one like Bishop Ackerman. 🙂

Peace,
Anna
 
Anna_Scott said:
Anglicans (Anglo Catholics) and Orthodox are really not that far apart in belief and practice.
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Kinda depends whom you ask.

For example, the TAC very strongly emphasizes proximity between Anglo-Catholics and Rome. I don’t want to go looking for it right now, but I believe there was a statement by their primate, Archbishop Hepworth, to the effect that when Anglicans think of healing divisions their first thought should be of Rome.
 
Peter_J said:
Kinda depends whom you ask.

For example, the TAC very strongly emphasizes proximity between Anglo-Catholics and Rome. I don’t want to go looking for it right now, but I believe there was a statement by their primate, Archbishop Hepworth, to the effect that when Anglicans think of healing divisions their first thought should be of Rome.
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I don’t think there is any doubt that Anglo-Catholics in general place a strong emphasis on their beliefs and where they stand in comparison to Rome.

At the same time, they are quite similar to Orthodox in their beliefs and practices. I’d say they are probably a bit more liberal than Orthodox, but I think if they desired it, they would not have far to go to unite with Orthodoxy.

Of all Christians, I think Anglo-Catholics are closest to Orthodoxy.
 
Nine_Two said:
Originally Posted by Peter J
Kinda depends whom you ask.
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Yeah, that’s true too. BTW I should have added a note to my last post, that Archbishop Hepworth is more extreme than the vast majority of Anglo-Catholics in terms of pro-Roman thinking.
Nine_Two said:
I’d say they are probably a bit more liberal than Orthodox, but I think if they desired it, they would not have far to go to unite with Orthodoxy.
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Yes, *if *you categorize Anglicans 3 ways, namely high, low, and broad (which is how I usually think about it). But, as some have pointed out here, there’s an alternative classification of just high and low – thereby including about half of the “broad” category into the designation “Anglo-Catholic”. In that way of looking at it, I would have to say that “Anglo-Catholics” are *much *more liberal than the Orthodox.
Nine_Two said:
Of all Christians, I think Anglo-Catholics are closest to Orthodoxy.
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Well, I don’t know. A heck of a lot of people think that Roman Catholics are the ones who are closest to the Orthodox. (Not that the majority opinion is always right; I’m “just saying”.:))
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Peter_J said:
Kinda depends whom you ask.

For example, the TAC very strongly emphasizes proximity between Anglo-Catholics and Rome. I don’t want to go looking for it right now, but I believe there was a statement by their primate, Archbishop Hepworth, to the effect that when Anglicans think of healing divisions their first thought should be of Rome.
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++Hepworth is no longer Primate of the TAC.

GKC
 
GKC said:
++Hepworth is no longer Primate of the TAC.

GKC
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Is this a recent development, or am I more behind-the-times than usual? (Though I guess I knew that it was just a matter of time.)

P.S. I see now that they elected Archbishop Samuel Prakash of India as Acting Primate a few weeks ago.
 
Peter_J said:
Is this a recent development, or am I more behind-the-times than usual? (Though I guess I knew that it was just a matter of time.)
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About three weeks ago.

ucanindia.in/news/indian-prelate-to-head-traditional-anglicans/17093/daily

As an outside, though Continuing Anglican, observer of the process, from the early days of the formation of the TAC, through the actual reaction of most of the TAC and the ACA to the offer of ANGLICANORUM COETIBUS, I’ve been curious to see how it would all play out. I am not very surprised.

The Acting Primate of the TAC is the Most Rev. Samuel P. Prakash.

GKC
 
Peter_J said:
Well, I don’t know. A heck of a lot of people think that Roman Catholics are the ones who are closest to the Orthodox. (Not that the majority opinion is always right; I’m “just saying”.:))
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The only issue Anglicans have, that I can see, is doctrinal conformity. The breakaway Anglicans don’t have this issue. They’ve even constructed an ecclesiology which is very similar to ours.

Almost every issue we have with Anglicans is the same as an issue we would have with Roman Catholics. Perhaps the only exception is a latent Calvinism, an issue that Anglo-Catholics don’t tend to have.
 
GKC said:
About three weeks ago.

ucanindia.in/news/indian-prelate-to-head-traditional-anglicans/17093/daily

As an outside, though Continuing Anglican, observer of the process, from the early days of the formation of the TAC, through the actual reaction of most of the TAC and the ACA to the offer of ANGLICANORUM COETIBUS, I’ve been curious to see how it would all play out. I am not very surprised.
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I am not very surprised, but perhaps a touch surprised. In particular, I was under the impression that Hepworth’s p.o.v. was shared by about one-fourth of the TAC; but that appears not to be the case, in light of the fact that the other bishops voted *unanimously *to remove him as Primate.
 
Peter_J said:
Kinda depends whom you ask.

For example, the TAC very strongly emphasizes proximity between Anglo-Catholics and Rome. I don’t want to go looking for it right now, but I believe there was a statement by their primate, Archbishop Hepworth, to the effect that when Anglicans think of healing divisions their first thought should be of Rome.
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Peter J,

And many are turning to Rome and the Catholic Church is welcoming them.

When I contemplate what I would do if my Anglo Catholic Parish turns liberal down the road, I consider Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and Lutheranism, not necessarily in that order.

Anna
 
Cavaradossi said:
Slightly off topic, but if you don’t mind sharing, what made you decide not to go into seminary once you became Orthodox? Was it related at all to coming into Orthodoxy? The Antiochians make great use of convert priests, from what I have noticed.
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First I want to ask your forgiveness if I’ve offended you here in the past. Discussions can become quite heated, and I’m guilty of not being careful enough with what I say and allowing passion to get the better of me.

When I converted I knew I would be entering a very different kind of Christian life than I was accustomed to, and I needed to take the time to understand and live it before making any decisions about future ministry work. Orthodoxy is very much a religion of the heart, and I struggle to bring my faith from my head down into my heart. Looking back I think that was definitely the right thing to do, as I’m still, more than 7 years later, trying to do this. I’m thankful for my experience as a Lutheran because for the most part my formation was very solid, and I looked at my conversion as completing what was lacking more than rejecting my past. I do wish I had focused on wider studies than Lutheran theology at the time though.
 
GKC said:
I wish it were possible to parody the CoE.

Alas, it isn’t.

GKC
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A few years back Garrison Keillor complained that one can’t do parody anymore. Reality beats you to it every time. 😦
 
_Abyssinia said:
Twitter users invited to help choose the new Archbishop of Canterbury

telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9164900/Twitter-users-invited-to-help-choose-the-new-Archbishop-of-Canterbury.html
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That article was a painful read. It looks like the CofE is officially becoming a democracy, which is what the modernists have wanted to do with the Catholic Church for years.

I can’t believe that they are going so far as to put it up for what amounts to a public vote, which debases the office in question and the concept of religious truth in general.

I sincerely hope that for the sake of Anglican Christians and Christians as a whole, the CofE changes course. Its misguided attempts at popular appeal go further towards discrediting Christianity in general.
 
dcointin said:
First I want to ask your forgiveness if I’ve offended you here in the past. Discussions can become quite heated, and I’m guilty of not being careful enough with what I say and allowing passion to get the better of me.
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I am the one who needs to ask for forgiveness. Forgive me if I have offended you during heated discussions.
When I converted I knew I would be entering a very different kind of Christian life than I was accustomed to, and I needed to take the time to understand and live it before making any decisions about future ministry work. Orthodoxy is very much a religion of the heart, and I struggle to bring my faith from my head down into my heart. Looking back I think that was definitely the right thing to do, as I’m still, more than 7 years later, trying to do this. I’m thankful for my experience as a Lutheran because for the most part my formation was very solid, and I looked at my conversion as completing what was lacking more than rejecting my past. I do wish I had focused on wider studies than Lutheran theology at the time though.
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Thank you for sharing. This is something that I truly grapple with. I always feel as if I know plenty about God (what I have been taught), but that I don’t know God at all. Being a theologian, in the truest sense of the word, is hard.
 
Cavaradossi said:
I am the one who needs to ask for forgiveness. Forgive me if I have offended you during heated discussions.

Thank you for sharing. This is something that I truly grapple with. I always feel as if I know plenty about God (what I have been taught), but that I don’t know God at all. Being a theologian, in the truest sense of the word, is hard.
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I feel exactly the same way. That’s one reason I’m so attracted to monasticism - they truly have an experience of God, which is what we’re all called to. It makes all my reading, debating, etc. meaningless.
 
jwinch2 said:
Originally Posted by Peter J
I suppose you’re right, especially considering that with respect to Anglican parishes becoming Catholic, I’ve never once heard of one becoming EC. (Although perhaps someone else here has.)
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I found this post on the thread you mentioned:
Ridgerunner said:
Interesting. Sounds to me like Anglican groups wanting to “back door” back into Apostolic Succession without returning through the door from which they exited; i.e., Catholicism. Seems like a mismatch to me, given how “western” Anglicanism is and how “Eastern” Orthodoxy is.
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I’m sure many other people share Ridgerunner’s “mismatch” idea.
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