Breaking down Methodism...

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Aw, who am I kidding? I’m still a Dilber. All I can do is **fake **a signature!

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But thanks much for trying to help me out.

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BrianH said:
…Methodists do not believe once saved always saved…
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Agreed, Methodism has a parallel tract as far as the same belief of Catholicism that obtaining salvation is a lifelong pursuit (“yes, I have been saved, I am currently being saved, and I hope to be saved.”)

Also, John and Charles Wesley’s preaching in the southern US so closely mirrowed Catholicism that Baptists accused them of being covert Jesuit priests.

Wesley called artificial birth control “an abomination that destroys men’s souls.”

John Wesley I believe during his Sunday services had the congregants publicly confess their sins and ask for forgiveness…similar in ways to Catholicism, that has private confession.

Didn’t John Wesley die an Anglican priest? In other words, I don’t believe (and a good Methodist feel free to correct me!) he actually started Methodism but his followers did after his death. I think he also carried a rosary, but I could be incorrect.

My point is, the leap from Methodism to Catholicism does not seem to be a big one. Of course I’m open to correction from anyone.
 
bobregan said:
Agreed, Methodism has a parallel tract as far as the same belief of Catholicism that obtaining salvation is a lifelong pursuit (“yes, I have been saved, I am currently being saved, and I hope to be saved.”).
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He he he… 😛
Also, John and Charles Wesley’s preaching in the southern US so closely mirrowed Catholicism that Baptists accused them of being covert Jesuit priests.
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Ha ha ha! 😃
Wesley called artificial birth control “an abomination that destroys men’s souls.”
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But what about womens souls? 🤷
John Wesley I believe during his Sunday services had the congregants publicly confess their sins and ask for forgiveness…similar in ways to Catholicism, that has private confession.
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Yeah, we use to have to do that in our church. My methodist church. The ministers love to interigate you about your daily doings! :eek:
Didn’t John Wesley die an Anglican priest? In other words, I don’t believe (and a good Methodist feel free to correct me!)
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…you asked for it! 😃
he actually started Methodism but his followers did after his death. I think he also carried a rosary, but I could be incorrect.
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He did carry and use a rosary, infact it is in a museum. He was Anglican and the methodism he invented was the same as Anglucanism but with different methods to convert people and keep those in Christ closer to him still. He didn’t invent new doctrine, his followers after his death did.
My point is, the leap from Methodism to Catholicism does not seem to be a big one. Of course I’m open to correction from anyone
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No, the leap from methodism to catholicism is huge, trust me! :bowdown2:
 
Zundrah said:
Yeah, we use to have to do that in our church. My methodist church. The ministers love to interigate you about your daily doings! :eek:
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Is this a joke?? If not, what kind of Methodist Church did you attend??

God Bless!
 
emeraldcoast said:
Is this a joke?? If not, what kind of Methodist Church did you attend??

God Bless!
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It’s not a joke! 😦

My methodist church was, well… a methodist church! 😃 What varieties are there apart from united methodist (which mine was not)?
 
Zundrah said:
It’s not a joke! 😦

My methodist church was, well… a methodist church! 😃 What varieties are there apart from united methodist (which mine was not)?
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I just wanted to make it clear that this is NOT what happens in the Methodist Church that most people are familiar with–the United Methodist Church.

God Bless!
 
Confess your sin one to another.

Wesley believed in what his followers called a second blessing which to him meant that you could live a sinless life.
 
emeraldcoast said:
I just wanted to make it clear that this is NOT what happens in the Methodist Church that most people are familiar with–the United Methodist Church.

God Bless!
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No it isn’t indeed! But there you go!
Hisalone said:
Confess your sin one to another.

Wesley believed in what his followers called a second blessing which to him meant that you could live a sinless life.
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Hisalone? Your name rings a bell or two.
 
Usbek_de_Perse said:
John Wesley believed in the real presence.

I was raised in the Methodist church and left at 14 to become Episcopalian. The Methodist Churches maintained some features of Anglicanism, though it is hard to see it when you visit a Methodist church now. Their service books look like the Book of Common Prayer, but they almost never use service books.

Why are you interested in breaking the foundations of Methodism? That seems to be a hard hearted desire.

Methodists are responsible for bringing the Gospel to the poor and disenfranchised of England and Wales. That is hardly something to want to destroy.
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The Methodist church does not believe in the “Real Presence” as does the Catholic Church. Methodists believe that Christ is ‘spiritually’ present in the bread and grape juice (they do not believe in using wine for communion), but not the full Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ Himself. The Methodist church will not make that “leap of Faith.” Otherwise, it would be in their Book of Discipline. Wesley wanted communion served every Sunday, not because of his believing in the “Real Presence” as Catholics do, but, for him, the Communion table was an open table. Christ is present to all, and no one should be turned away. All are invited.

Wesley was an episcopal minister who was, basically, kicked out of the Episcopal church for his views and teachings.

Methodism places social justice and social godliness ahead of personal sanctification. That is why Methodists are very active in charitable works.In their early American days, they were very involved in camptown meetings of spiritual renewal (revivals).
 
Outside the US, some Methodist churches use wine at communion. The use of grape jucie in the US harkens back to the temperence movement. There was once an influential Methodist by the name of Welch. Perhaps you have heard of his company?
 
peary said:
The Methodist church does not believe in the “Real Presence” as does the Catholic Church. Methodists believe that Christ is ‘spiritually’ present in the bread and grape juice (they do not believe in using wine for communion), but not the full Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ Himself. The Methodist church will not make that “leap of Faith.” Otherwise, it would be in their Book of Discipline.
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That would be an incorrect statement. Methodists and Lutherans tend to embrace the Eastern understanding of Real Presence as a mystery that cannot be explained, and stay away from the metaphysical language that transunbstantiation is so dependent upon. “This Holy Mystery” is the official teaching on the Eucharist of the United Methodist Church, as “By Water and the Spirit” is the official teaching on baptism. THM states:
Jesus Christ, who “is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact imprint of God’s very being” (Hebrews 1:3), is truly present in Holy Communion. Through Jesus Christ and in the power of the Holy Spirit, God meets us at the Table. God, who has given the sacraments to the church, acts in and through Holy Communion. Christ is present through the community gathered in Jesus’ name (Matthew 18:20), through the Word proclaimed and enacted, and through the elements of bread and wine shared (1 Corinthians 11:23-26). The divine presence is a living reality and can be experienced by participants; it is not a remembrance of the Last Supper and the Crucifixion only…
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The Christian church has struggled through the centuries to understand just how Christ is present in the Eucharist. Arguments and divisions have occurred over the matter. The Wesleyan tradition affirms the reality of Christ’s presence, although it does not claim to be able to explain it fully. John and Charles Wesley’s 166 Hymns on the Lord’s Supper are our richest resource for study in order to appreciate the Wesleyan understanding of the presence of Christ in the Eucharist. One of these hymns expresses well both the reality and the mystery: “O the Depth of Love Divine,” stanzas 1 and 4 (The United Methodist Hymnal, 627):
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O the depth of love divine,
the unfathomable grace!
Who shall say how bread and wine
God into us conveys!
How the bread his flesh imparts,
how the wine transmits his blood,
fills his faithful people’s hearts
with all the life of God!
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Sure and real is the grace,
the manner be unknown;
only meet us in thy ways
and perfect us in one.
Let us taste the heavenly powers,
Lord, we ask for nothing more.
Thine to bless, 'tis only ours
to wonder and adore.
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Wesley wanted communion served every Sunday, not because of his believing in the “Real Presence” as Catholics do, but, for him, the Communion table was an open table. Christ is present to all, and no one should be turned away. All are invited.
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Partially incorrect. Wesley’s “criteria” for those to come to the Table were the same as the Anglican Church’s - only the repentant baptized. The exact quote of Wesley regarding regular communion was, “[People] should lose no opportunity to receive the sacrament.” Wesley himself celebrated/participated in the Eucharist more than once a week.
Wesley was an episcopal minister who was, basically, kicked out of the Episcopal church for his views and teachings.
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John Wesley was an Anglican priest who died an Anglican priest in good standing (there was no Episcopal Church - Wesley left America in 1737). His brother Charles also died an Anglican priest in good standing. Both are recognized in the sanctoral cycle and calendar of the Anglican Church.
Methodism places social justice and social godliness ahead of personal sanctification.
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You have evidently never read John Wesley’s sermons on sanctification, piety, and salvation - because that would be the cart before the horse! Wesley firmly embraced and espoused sanctification as the disposition of the mind and heart from which all good works came.

You may be a very good Catholic, Peary, but you are very misinformed about Methodism.
 
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