BREAKING: Episcopal Church suspended from Anglican Communion

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Padres1969 said:
Very well said. Couldn’t have put it any better myself. And I agree, despite differences that’s why I frequent this board, as there’s always more that unifies us than divides us.
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Thank you, Padres. I am a newbie posting here, but I have been here for quite some time. I appreciate you reaching out.
 
Little_Sheep said:
I am a cradle Episcopalian with 16 years of Episcopal church schooling. I am also a catechist in our smallish (800 people) parish. Our youth formation is vibrant and devout, well-attended and well-supported, so I wouldn’t count the next generation of Episcopalians out just yet! 😉

I appreciate those on this thread who have acknowledged the human hurt involved in the “wet noodle slap” from the Anglican community. Bishop Curry summed it up beautifully. I have seen some of that hurt up close and personal, tears down the faces and tears on the hearts of fellow Christians I love with all my soul.

Some years ago, there was a similar painful stretching surrounding TEC’s decision to allow women to serve as priests. But today, even those Episcopalians who were once horrified at the thought of women in the priesthood love our women who have answered God’s call. I suspect this issue will follow a similar path.

I feel blessed to be a member of the Episcopal Church. It has given me the world, which is to say it has given me the face of Jesus in the faces of all my fellows.

I understand that this is a devout Catholic board and that our ways are not exactly your ways and I am not here to change any minds. Much like the Anglican community, I consider the Catholic community our Christian brethren in all the ways that truly matter. In my mind, there’s no need small differences should separate us from the heart of a merciful God, lived out in the hearts of each other.
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I have no doubt at all that there are folk who believe that now and that there will be folk who believe that, in the future.
 
GKC said:
I have no doubt at all that there are folk who believe that now and that there will be folk who believe that, in the future.
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Yes, indeed. Answering Christ’s call stretches us all. I can’t opine where this might all “end.” Will TEC pull away or join the Lutherans or repent? These are questions for the Ages, I suppose…until the Ages are here.

I will opine that, imho, TEC will not “repent” of something it does not perceive as sin. The rest of it is in God’s hands. I only know that the decision of the Anglican primates will not change the day to day life of my parish in any meaningful way. And, for me, that’s a good thing! We have bigger fish to fry! 🙂
 
Little_Sheep said:
I am a cradle Episcopalian with 16 years of Episcopal church schooling. I am also a catechist in our smallish (800 people) parish. Our youth formation is vibrant and devout, well-attended and well-supported, so I wouldn’t count the next generation of Episcopalians out just yet! 😉

I appreciate those on this thread who have acknowledged the human hurt involved in the “wet noodle slap” from the Anglican community. Bishop Curry summed it up beautifully. I have seen some of that hurt up close and personal, tears down the faces and tears on the hearts of fellow Christians I love with all my soul.

Some years ago, there was a similar painful stretching surrounding TEC’s decision to allow women to serve as priests. But today, even those Episcopalians who were once horrified at the thought of women in the priesthood love our women who have answered God’s call. I suspect this issue will follow a similar path.

I feel blessed to be a member of the Episcopal Church. It has given me the world, which is to say it has given me the face of Jesus in the faces of all my fellows.

I understand that this is a devout Catholic board and that our ways are not exactly your ways and I am not here to change any minds. Much like the Anglican community, I consider the Catholic community our Christian brethren in all the ways that truly matter. In my mind, there’s no need small differences should separate us from the heart of a merciful God, lived out in the hearts of each other.
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I could live with women becoming priests. However, I cannot live with TEC being okay with SSM. While I am still Episcopal, I have not attend an Episcopal church in four years. I attend Catholic Mass with my husband.
 
Little_Sheep said:
Yes, indeed. Answering Christ’s call stretches us all. I can’t opine where this might all “end.” Will TEC pull away or join the Lutherans or repent? These are questions for the Ages, I suppose…until the Ages are here.

I will opine that, imho, TEC will not “repent” of something it does not perceive as sin. The rest of it is in God’s hands. I only know that the decision of the Anglican primates will not change the day to day life of my parish in any meaningful way. And, for me, that’s a good thing! We have bigger fish to fry! 🙂
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I have no doubt that you and your parish will go from innovation to innovation, on the same path. The process is inexorable.

I said as much somewhere in the avalanche of posts, the past day or so.
 
Graceful_Lamb said:
I could live with women becoming priests. However, I cannot live with TEC being okay with SSM. While I am still Episcopal, I have not attend an Episcopal church in four years. I attend Catholic Mass with my husband.
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I am so sorry TEC lost you with this, Graceful Lamb. Truly. I hope you are nourished in the church you attend.
 
GKC said:
I have no doubt that you and your parish will go from innovation to innovation, on the same path. The process is inexorable.

I said as much somewhere in the avalanche of posts, the past day or so.
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Yes, yes - I have read and appreciate your thoughts, GKC!
 
Little_Sheep said:
I am a cradle Episcopalian with 16 years of Episcopal church schooling. I am also a catechist in our smallish (800 people) parish. Our youth formation is vibrant and devout, well-attended and well-supported, so I wouldn’t count the next generation of Episcopalians out just yet! 😉

I appreciate those on this thread who have acknowledged the human hurt involved in the “wet noodle slap” from the Anglican community. Bishop Curry summed it up beautifully. I have seen some of that hurt up close and personal, tears down the faces and tears on the hearts of fellow Christians I love with all my soul.

Some years ago, there was a similar painful stretching surrounding TEC’s decision to allow women to serve as priests. But today, even those Episcopalians who were once horrified at the thought of women in the priesthood love our women who have answered God’s call. I suspect this issue will follow a similar path.

I feel blessed to be a member of the Episcopal Church. It has given me the world, which is to say it has given me the face of Jesus in the faces of all my fellows.

I understand that this is a devout Catholic board and that our ways are not exactly your ways and I am not here to change any minds. Much like the Anglican community, I consider the Catholic community our Christian brethren in all the ways that truly matter. In my mind, there’s no need small differences should separate us from the heart of a merciful God, lived out in the hearts of each other.
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This story has been moving in slow motion over the last couple of decades. This decision seems like nothing but one more mile marker, though a major one, on the rode to another fracturing in Protestant Christendom. It will be the largest in a long time.
 
GKC said:
I’m subtle.

Clarification noted. They are Personal Prelatures, yes?
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Opus Dei is the only official Personal Prelature, in that any Catholic can join that as their “diocese”, I assume Prelature has the option of accepting you; the prelature has no national boundaries, though they may choose to group by nation internally. Every Catholic in Opus Dei has the option of their territorial diocese. They have their “own” priests, but diocesan priests may also choose to affiliate, still under the territorial bishop.

The Ordinariates, Military or Anglican, are something like Personal Prelatures but you need to have a logical connection to join. An individual, or a whole Anglican Use Parish, can always choose to affiliate with the Anglican Ordinariate only if they or a family member have an Anglican connection; but they also have the option of territorial diocese. They have their own priests. Any Catholic can attend Anglican Ordinariate Mass (or Mass at the Army base if they want), but not necessarily join either Ordinariate.

(Yes you are subtle, but more important, informative, orthodox, practical and charitable.)
 
commenter said:
Opus Dei is the only official Personal Prelature, in that any Catholic can join that as their “diocese”, I assume Prelature has the option of accepting you; the prelature has no national boundaries, though they may choose to group by nation internally. Every Catholic in Opus Dei has the option of their territorial diocese. They have their “own” priests, but diocesan priests may also choose to affiliate, still under the territorial bishop.

The Ordinariates, Military or Anglican, are something like Personal Prelatures but you need to have a logical connection to join. An individual, or a whole Anglican Use Parish, can always choose to affiliate with the Anglican Ordinariate only if they or a family member have an Anglican connection; but they also have the option of territorial diocese. They have their own priests. Any Catholic can attend Anglican Ordinariate Mass (or Mass at the Army base if they want), but not necessarily join either Ordinariate.

(Yes you are subtle, but more important, informative, orthodox, practical and charitable.)
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Well, possibly. Maybe .A little. Here and there, now and then. Within limits.

But also a little better informed, on this here particular subject, now. Thanks, all around.
 
theropod said:
My opinion alone here. I think the ACNA wants to supersede TEC at the end of the day, and believes that by doing so it can have a larger impact around the world as part of the Communion.

The ACNA would also not be where it is if not for the African provinces that are directly involved. Those are Anglican Communion provinces, so there is probably a desire among the Africans to see the ACNA elevated to full Communion status.

It’s kind of messy, but my diocese is both in the ACNA and in CANA which is part of the Church of Nigeria. Our bishop is a Church of Nigeria bishop. So we are, for the time being, part of the Anglican Communion.
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I think the Anglican church I attended was under a Bishop in Uganda. It was 8 years ago so my memory might not be good and not sure how things has developed since then. It was all brand new.
 
pnewton said:
This story has been moving in slow motion over the last couple of decades. This decision seems like nothing but one more mile marker, though a major one, on the rode to another fracturing in Protestant Christendom. It will be the largest in a long time.
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Indeed. The TEC/ECUSA/PECUSA has been foundering badly for years due to the course she has charted.
 
Little_Sheep said:
I will opine that, imho, TEC will not “repent” of something it does not perceive as sin. The rest of it is in God’s hands. I only know that the decision of the Anglican primates will not change the day to day life of my parish in any meaningful way. And, for me, that’s a good thing! We have bigger fish to fry! 🙂
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Is there any action left that the TEC would still be able to perceive as sin (or rather, heresy)? For instance, if the Catholic bishops teach that legal abortion is immoral, not just for Catholics but for anyone, would the TEC still have the capability to judge the Catholic bishops guilty of heresy for trying to make it illegal - even for Episcopalians? If Christians at the Westboro Baptist Church, after sincere, prayerful discernment, say they are led by God to certain Biblical theological positions, would the TEC have the power to say “those people are heretics”?

The problem is that no church can identify heresy, unless it holds absolutes against which heresy can be measured. If TEC regards every new step as progress, just because it is a new step, how will they know if a step by them, or by anyone, is in the wrong direction, and in need of repentance? In terms of doctrinal teaching, does the TEC have the ability to repent anything?
 
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