Breaking free from Sedevacantism

[tori2323]

How can the Catholic Church (founded by Jesus) suddenly become an anti-Church? The Church has always faced evils in the past, but she never ceased to be the Holy Mother Church because of those evils. She pushed through and fought

No amount of evils will ever change the fact that the Holy Mother Church is still the Holy Mother Church. I think this is one of those times where she needs us, the Church militant, the most. We can’t just abandon her. That would show how little loyalty we have to her.
Let us fight the good fight and trust Jesus’ promise that He will never abandon His Bride.

 

[Ryan1]

The liturgical “reforms” following the Second Vatican Council did not make any changes to worship. A new rite was created, while the older rite continued (and continues today). The older rite was never abrogated, and is seeing increasing use throughout the world. If the new rite replaced the old, the old rite would have ceased to be used, as has happened in previous liturgical reforms.

 

[poche]

Now, to start it off, my first question:
It’s not a bad thing for the Church to evolve, right? What I mean by that is that change is all right within the Church, provided that it does not affect the Faith. For example, after Vatican 2, masses were said in the languages that people spoke, not Latin. And that is one of the things that Sedevecantists do not like about Vatican 2. But I don’t see why that is a problem. After all, it’s not changing anything related to Faith. It’s just translating the Mass to your native language. The Church is allowed to make a change like that. Your thoughts on this?

This is the chief liberal complaint about Pope Francis. He is out there engaging with people who are seen as opponents of the Catholic Church while not actually changing the Church doctrine. I remember how feted Pope Paul VI was while he was implementing various Vatican II reforms. However when he reaffirmed Catholic teaching against artificial contraception, they all turned against him like a pack of wolves.

 

[Mac]

It is an accurate statement. But your right It’s TRUE that most sedevacantist will never say the church stopped existing

But they do believe the true Church with all its Mark’s and atributes went in to the councle, and a false Church came out.

They will say they are what’s left of the true church , but they dont have the Mark’s and atributes of the Church either. Most admite that.

So the problem is , the Mark’s and atributes of the Church are permanent qualities .

If your Church dont have these qualities, then it’s not the Catholic Church

 

[Sarcelle]

To say the Church has apostasized is to accuse Jesus of being a liar and to accuse the Holy Spirit of dereliction of duty.