BREAKING NEWS!!!!! Pope lifes excommunications on SSPX

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Several journalists have credibly reported that Pope Benedict XVI has issued a decree lifting the excommunications of the bishops of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X. The decree is to be made public imminently.

This is huge news if born out. Regularization could soon follow—we’re talking about over 500 priests, brothers and sisters, with nearly 200 currently in seminary, in 63 countries.

For those not familiar, the SSPX is a non-canonical traditionalist priestly society formed by the late French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre several years after Vatican II. Originally in good standing with the Church, the fraternity (and its abrasive founder, Lefebvre) clashed with the French bishops and later the Vatican in the 1970s. Lefebvre was eventually put under suspension, but the SSPX continued to operate.

In 1988, now at an advanced age, Lefebvre defied Pope John Paul II and consecrated four new bishops for the fraternity. John Paul responded by excommunicating Lefebvre and the four bishops.

Lefebvre died in 1991, and one of the four bishops, Bernard Fellay, has succeeded him as Superior General.

The first big hurdle to be passed in the process of getting to this point was the de-restriction of the traditional Latin Mass, accomplished by Benedict’s 7 July 2007 Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum. That was a major sticking point for the SSPX.

For details on the current developments, look here: newliturgicalmovement.org/2009/01/rumour-watch-explosive-news-related-to.html
 
chrisb said:
Several journalists have credibly reported that Pope Benedict XVI has issued a decree lifting the excommunications of the bishops of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X. The decree is to be made public imminently.

This is huge news if born out. Regularization could soon follow—we’re talking about over 500 priests, brothers and sisters, with nearly 200 currently in seminary, in 63 countries.

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For details on the current developments, look here: newliturgicalmovement.org/2009/01/rumour-watch-explosive-news-related-to.html
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It will do the Church so much good. Deo grátias.

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I didn’t know much about this, but I’d like to ask a question, if SSPX was excommunicated, would those who have joined SSPX were also excommunicated such as new ordained priests, seminarians, etc ??
Thanks!
 
withwind said:
I didn’t know much about this, but I’d like to ask a question, if SSPX was excommunicated, would those who have joined SSPX were also excommunicated such as new ordained priests, seminarians, etc ??
Thanks!
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No, the Vatican office has already said as much. I believe illicit was the word they used.
 
Does anyone else think that this (if true) might not embolden the sspx whenever they encounter something they are not in favor of or downright refuse to do? They’ve persisted in their current mindset for 20 years now; is everything going to just come up roses?!?!?
 
Praise the Lord!!

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As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end, AMEN!
 
Timothysis said:
Does anyone else think that this (if true) might not embolden the sspx whenever they encounter something they are not in favor of or downright refuse to do? They’ve persisted in their current mindset for 20 years now; is everything going to just come up roses?!?!?
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No. At least I do not. Personally, I’m ambivalent toward the SSPX, (meaning I’m not one of their staunch supporters – never have been and never will be. I have never viewed them as more than a religious congregation) but you imply that they are a bunch of “brats” and I think that is very unfair, not to mention highly uncharitable.
 
Timothysis said:
Does anyone else think that this (if true) might not embolden the sspx whenever they encounter something they are not in favor of or downright refuse to do? They’ve persisted in their current mindset for 20 years now; is everything going to just come up roses?!?!?
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In Orthodoxy, the breaking of communion with once Bishop or Church commonly signal a breach in Holy Tradition. An Archbishop could very well break communion with segments of the church he feels is in breach of Holy Tradition. This is simply the way it has been for the history of our Faith. In Roman Catholicism, ‘orthodoxy’ seems to mean ‘communion’ with the See of Rome and breaking this is a breach of Holy Tradition. What does one do when it’s Rome who seems to be in breach of Holy Tradition? It seems to me to be the situation that this group found themselves.

The breaking of communion is often seen as a corrective measure within the body of Christ. It means that there are serious issues at stake and that each should be seriously engaged in dialogue to determine the nature of the problem and a remedy so that normative relations between both groups can we reestablished. In an odd way this looks like a classic example of a breach of Holy Tradition and the breaking of that communion by one remember of the Roman Catholic Church. In Orthodoxy, Bishops have ‘full’ jurisdiction over their own dioceses and in this situation both parties would have continued independant of one or the other until such time that normative relations would be been restored. It looks to me like that is happening eventhough Roman Catholicism has this extra layer of Papal Jurisdiction which supersedes that of the Archbishop.
 
malphono said:
No. At least I do not. Personally, I’m ambivalent toward the SSPX, (meaning I’m not one of their staunch supporters – never have been and never will be. I have never viewed them as more than a religious congregation) but you imply that they are a bunch of “brats” and I think that is very unfair, not to mention highly uncharitable.
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Oh, go suck your thumb.
 
Wow. Regardless of some of the ill feelings in this thread, THANK GOD!! Welcome back to our Brothers and Sisters. 🙂
 
ProVobis said:
Gee, we can’t even try to patch things up without causing more divisiveness. Are you trying to show Vatican II didn’t work?
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Fella, I made a simple, honest post posing a question that came to me and got this in reply: "but you imply that they are a bunch of “brats” and I think that is very unfair, not to mention highly uncharitable."

I did not “imply” anything of the sort and am sick and tired of the “go for the throat” attitude that seems to be so common with those who frequently post on the Traditional Catholicism forum. Your little quip about Vatican II is one of those that I’m getting most sick of. It is because of this attitude that I find myself coming to CAF less and less.

So stick that in your sspx pipe and smoke it.
 
JPUSC said:
google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iQIJoUn9PMoY__fvU-gHPiR4Ku0QD95S6NEG0

in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-37602820090122

WOW! The AP and Reuters has begun reporting it!!!

This will mean that we may have enough priests to do the EF in every diocese!!

Viva il Papa! Viva Benedicto XVI!
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That’s only if the bishop allows them to work within his diocese.

It will be interesting to see the actual document. If all it states is that the excommunication is lifted then that means the next move is on the SSPX, they must resume communion with the Holy Father and the Bishops.

I see that the article mentions the personal prelature like Opus Dei but if I am not mistaken a bishop can still refuse to allow Opus Dei to work within his diocese.
 
ByzCath said:
That’s only if the bishop allows them to work within his diocese.

It will be interesting to see the actual document. If all it states is that the excommunication is lifted then that means the next move is on the SSPX, they must resume communion with the Holy Father and the Bishops.
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Will they, though? That’s another story. Lifting excommunication is one thing; accepting and resuming communion another. I agree though–the next move would be with the SSPX.
 
Timothysis said:
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Gee, we can’t even try to patch things up without causing more divisiveness. Are you trying to show Vatican II didn’t work?

Fella, I made a simple, honest post posing a question that came to me and got this in reply: "but you imply that they are a bunch of “brats” and I think that is very unfair, not to mention highly uncharitable."

I did not “imply” anything of the sort and am sick and tired of the “go for the throat” attitude that seems to be so common with those who frequently post on the Traditional Catholicism forum. Your little quip about Vatican II is one of those that I’m getting most sick of. It is because of this attitude that I find myself coming to CAF less and less.

So stick that in your sspx pipe and smoke it.
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Actually – from your post --I kinda got the same impression as malphone.
 
Timothysis said:
Fella, I made a simple, honest post posing a question that came to me and got this in reply: "but you imply that they are a bunch of “brats” and I think that is very unfair, not to mention highly uncharitable."

I did not “imply” anything of the sort and am sick and tired of the “go for the throat” attitude that seems to be so common with those who frequently post on the Traditional Catholicism forum. Your little quip about Vatican II is one of those that I’m getting most sick of. It is because of this attitude that I find myself coming to CAF less and less.

So stick that in your sspx pipe and smoke it.
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Maybe you should try decaf.

You have the nerve to criticize my comment? Did you even bother to read what I said? Did you reread what you said?

Maybe “unfair” and “uncharitable” were too mild. Whatever, I said I don’t take bait, and I don’t.
 
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