Breaking: pope declares troubling interpretation of al ‘authentic magisterium’

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I don’t understand where heresy factors in. No one has denied that those guilty of mortal sin should refrain from receiving communion. No one has proposed that a second civil marriage is a valid Catholic marriage. While I struggle with the Holy Father’s position, and while the traditional discipline of such couples refraining from receiving remains in place in my archdiocese, I don’t see the basis for the cries of heresy. If I understand the pro-AL argument correctly, the couples invited to resume reception of communion are presumed to not be fully culpable of their objectively sinful union…and thus not guilty of mortal sin.
 
Well, if the article is true, from what I understand if the Pope is teaching this it is not an infallible statement. It is higher class than most of what he says but not infallibly correct. We are to give our consent to it unless we look deeply into it. The Pope may have some issues, but the Church is not failing.

At least, that’s what I gather if the article is true. I read Church Militant from time to time and I find it good to note. But I always take it with a grain of salt. They tend to be rather pessimistic. But just because they report it does not make it untrue. I shall wait for more confirmation before fully coming to an opinion, but I shall keep the news in the back of my head.
 
The Bishop’s letter was very carefully written I think. I saw a door open for the possibility of partaking in confession in one paragraph, and the “discussion” or maybe even the investigative possibility of communion in another. There was heavy emphasis on mutual discernment, like peering into a well . Honestly, I saw no heresy, but then again, I am not an apologist, or a cannon lawyer. Just a laymen.

Maybe I should revisit AL again. I don’t know what this latest document was supposed to do, the only thing I can think of to say is…“where is the fire?”

Oh and by the way, the church militant blurb made it sound like they caught the Pope with his hand in the cookie jar in the first paragraph and then it went on to be far more confusing to me then any Vatican document I have ever read!
 
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I assume that’s where the constant talk of discernment factors in…with a priest.
 
My primary concern here is that if Pope Francis gives even an inch on this matter, even if it is justified, the forces in the world today that want to tear apart marriage and the family will take advantage of this…
 
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I’m wondering how people defending AL have family members or friends who are in invalid relationships on here hoping the Pope will give them the excuse they need to allow them to receive because they think it’s the easy thing to do and we should just go along with.

BTW, where’s all this appeal to authority on the abortion and gay rights threads?
 
Likely. I prefer the lion from Narnia commentary. “But is he dangerous? Of course he’s dangerous. He’s the king, I tell you…”
 
So far, all I have are responses relating to fiction, which is telling to say the least. I’m withholding saying it’s ironic because the article is clearly trying to get the story out immediately but will update.
 
I don’t mind some repetition. This has been going on for a few years now. But one example of reduced culpability, or maybe not culpability, would be those who believe that marriage is dissoluble at the cause of adultery, and marriage again is not a sin. This is a common teaching among other Christians. Additionally, it is a common teaching that even when divorce is a sin, one can still be forgiven and then be re-married. It is not an ongoing sin. A person may be a a spiritually strong Christian, and still ignorant of the Catholic theology of marriage. Then when the second marriage is with a Catholic, or they try to convert, they are not morally culpable of mortal sin, but cannot receive communion. This is one rare situation, but it does happen.
 
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BTW, where’s all this appeal to authority on the abortion and gay rights threads?
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What-about-ism.
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In other words you won’t consider another POV and will advocate an appeal to authority?
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I do not get the appeal to authority. He is saying they have no authority. Now, if you want an appeal to authority, look at the article. Here are two phrases:
According to experts whom Church Militant has consulted…
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… by one expert whom Church Militant consulted regarding this breaking development,
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How about the multiple quotes in the article from the Pope, the Vatican, and the Argentine Bishops commissions?
 
This amount of hyperbole is childish. Don’t characterize this mole hill as a mountain, it’s reckless. I’m not aware that footnote 351 says, “people’s free will being taken away on a large scale, and presumably most if not all Catholics have read the 10 commandments and know what adultery is.”

How utterly reckless.
 
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