Breastfeeding suppressing ovulation

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I’ve been involved in NFP instruction, and also very involved in breastfeeding circles- in my case, waking the baby to “make her” eat is something that was frequently discussed and accepted as normal. It is, in fact, necessary in order to maintain the strict guidelines This seems unnatural to me. It doesn’t seem wrong to me, per se, since the side-effect of suppressing ovulation is actually a good, and so is breastfeeding itself of course.

I think it’s mistaken to say that a couple has no responsibility to discern in the matter because the principle of double effect doesn’t apply to the somewhat extreme lifestyle ecological breastfeeding entails. In fact, in order to remain infertile the baby must needs be fed, according to the official guidelines very frequently. This is why it becomes a prudential and very individual judgement. No one is saying that ecological breastfeeding is wrong- I think what some of us have a bit of a problem with is the unnaturalness of living a life-style that entails breastfeeding every couple of hours for a period of two or more years- under every and all circumstances- something which is very difficult and unnatural to maintain, and has the potential of objectifying the breastfeeding child.
Perhaps there is other literature on ecological breastfeeding that I am not familiar with. But according to what I have read (mostly from old Couple to Couple League materials published back when the Kippleys were in charge of CCL), ecological breastfeeding does not entail “breastfeeding every couple of hours for a period of two or more years- under every and all circumstances.” The information I have seen on ecological breastfeeding does stress frequent nursing, especially in the first six months, but it also stresses that there should be no schedules. I interpret this to mean that it is not at all necessary to wake the baby every two hours to feed – especially not all the way to two years old. Here is a summary of how to do ecological breastfeeding that matches what I have read about it:

nfpandmore.org/The%20Seven%20Standards%20Summary.pdf

While anecdotal evidence is far from proof, I can say that my wife only very rarely woke up our babies to nurse (and those rare times were probably all prior to the age of one month, when she was concerned about establishing her milk supply), and she has had 13 to 15 months of natural infertility after each birth.
 
Perhaps there is other literature on ecological breastfeeding that I am not familiar with. But according to what I have read (mostly from old Couple to Couple League materials published back when the Kippleys were in charge of CCL), ecological breastfeeding does not entail “breastfeeding every couple of hours for a period of two or more years- under every and all circumstances.” The information I have seen on ecological breastfeeding does stress frequent nursing, especially in the first six months, but it also stresses that there should be no schedules. I interpret this to mean that it is not at all necessary to wake the baby every two hours to feed – especially not all the way to two years old. Here is a summary of how to do ecological breastfeeding that matches what I have read about it:

nfpandmore.org/The%20Seven%20Standards%20Summary.pdf

While anecdotal evidence is far from proof, I can say that my wife only very rarely woke up our babies to nurse (and those rare times were probably all prior to the age of one month, when she was concerned about establishing her milk supply), and she has had 13 to 15 months of natural infertility after each birth.
then perhaps I’m mistaken- according to the method I learned, as I remember it was every two- three hours, and, on demand, if the couple wanted to be as certain as is possible using that method- that fertility would not return. However it was long ago, and I may be remembering incorrectly. In any case, if you are correct, and such measures really are not necessary- which may well be the case- then my argument is indeed rendered invalid! I’m satisfied with that.🙂 It does become a very individual thing though- not every woman is made in exactly the same way. In my case, my cycle returned remarkably quickly in spite of the fact that my babies nursed like little marsupials until they were what most people thought was " a ridiculous age." 😃
 
then perhaps I’m mistaken- according to the method I learned, as I remember it was every two- three hours, and, on demand, if the couple wanted to be as certain as is possible using that method- that fertility would not return. However it was long ago, and I may be remembering incorrectly. In any case, if you are correct, and such measures really are not necessary- which may well be the case- then my argument is indeed rendered invalid! I’m satisfied with that.🙂 It does become a very individual thing though- not every woman is made in exactly the same way. In my case, my cycle returned remarkably quickly in spite of the fact that my babies nursed like little marsupials until they were what most people thought was " a ridiculous age." 😃
What you’ve described isn’t familiar with what I know as ecological breastfeeding, which is breastfeeding when baby asks (with early signs - crying is a late sign). There are some newborns who sleep exceptionally long periods at night very early and there is concern that they don’t get enough nutrition so mom will sometimes wake them to eat, but I don’t think that is something that is supposed to go on long term.

I guess I kept bringing up the “eco-BF is not an extreme practice” point because it is largely a practice that is seen as extreme, when it isn’t. It’s just how most women feed their babies. I wanted to do it because it seemed the most natural way to feed my baby and most in line with how my body was designed to work. Part of that design is a later return of fertility than we currently expect in our culture (I’m talking USA specifically here). The way we practice breastfeeding in our culture (only one third of babies breastfed longer than three months) actually encourages an early return of fertility. Some women, yes, will have their cycles resume earlier than the average no matter what they do. In generations past, these were the families that were exceptionally large (or if they employed wet nurses, etc.) I think sometimes people forget that while family sizes were larger “back in the day,” not everyone was the Duggars. Five or six children, spaced about two to three years apart (usually more as she got older), would cover most of the reproductive years for a woman if she married in her late teens or early 20s.

I guess the point I am trying to make, and I am not making it very well it seems, is that almost no one who has practiced what we today call “ecological breastfeeding” has done it for the express purpose of “postponing” fertility. It was just called “feeding your baby” and it was what everyone did. 🤷 The fact that breastfeeding your children this way means a later return of fertility than what most women expect is unknown to most people (including many doctors), hence Kippley (and others, but I’m not as familiar with them) writing books about how it works and why it’s part of God’s plan for women having children.
 
What you’ve described isn’t familiar with what I know as ecological breastfeeding, which is breastfeeding when baby asks (with early signs - crying is a late sign). There are some newborns who sleep exceptionally long periods at night very early and there is concern that they don’t get enough nutrition so mom will sometimes wake them to eat, but I don’t think that is something that is supposed to go on long term.

I guess I kept bringing up the “eco-BF is not an extreme practice” point because it is largely a practice that is seen as extreme, when it isn’t. It’s just how most women feed their babies. I wanted to do it because it seemed the most natural way to feed my baby and most in line with how my body was designed to work. Part of that design is a later return of fertility than we currently expect in our culture (I’m talking USA specifically here). The way we practice breastfeeding in our culture (only one third of babies breastfed longer than three months) actually encourages an early return of fertility. Some women, yes, will have their cycles resume earlier than the average no matter what they do. In generations past, these were the families that were exceptionally large (or if they employed wet nurses, etc.) I think sometimes people forget that while family sizes were larger “back in the day,” not everyone was the Duggars. Five or six children, spaced about two to three years apart (usually more as she got older), would cover most of the reproductive years for a woman if she married in her late teens or early 20s.

I guess the point I am trying to make, and I am not making it very well it seems, is that almost no one who has practiced what we today call “ecological breastfeeding” has done it for the express purpose of “postponing” fertility. It was just called “feeding your baby” and it was what everyone did. 🤷 The fact that breastfeeding your children this way means a later return of fertility than what most women expect is unknown to most people (including many doctors), hence Kippley (and others, but I’m not as familiar with them) writing books about how it works and why it’s part of God’s plan for women having children.
Very good points, actually- the only thing I’m not entirely in agreement with, is the idea that using ecological breastfeeding with what has been termed a contraceptive mentality is somehow, impossible because it has good ends. I cannot judge whether or not any particular woman has ever done so with the sole reason of postponing fertility- I can be convinced, but for now in my mind, it doesn’t stand to reason that a person can only do objectively good things for only good reasons. That it’s impossible to take an objectively good thing, feeding one’s child, in this case, and twist it into something selfish, or self-serving -seems to be the line of argument- correct me if I’m wrong. For example- if a person were to feed a poor man on the street with the “pure” motive of helping him- that would be best. If he were to feed him with mixed motives, say- “looking good to others” that would still be an objectively good action, in spite of the mixed motives. And, even if he were to feed the poor man when everyone was watching, and then give him a swift kick in the pants when everyone looked away- the action of feeding him is still objectively good. What I am suggesting then, is that it is possible to objectify the “poor man.” (child) in our hearts. That we- even though we are mothers with deep love for our children- are capable of doing that, and should be on guard against the mentality which can develop where our child is used to meets our needs for a time- even if what they are being “used” for is objectively good for them- it is primarily a danger to our own soul’s mentality, or potentially, the mother and child bond. What I’m not suggesting is that anyone who practices breastfeeding in order to delay the return of fertility is actually participating in such an objectification of the child I’m just saying that it is in fact, a possibility, from my own experience with it (I grant you that it may well be one that has never occurred, but we really can’t know that for certain) and in particular I think it may be a danger to we who are living in a culture which sees nothing wrong with manipulating one’s fertility in artificial ways- and which sees nothing whatever wrong with the objectification of children- a mentality to which we are all subjected and more or less desensitized to on a regular basis, whether we practice artificial contraception or not. Your thoughts?

Incidentally- I practiced ecological breastfeeding, and am in complete agreement that it is, per se, not extreme, according to your definition of it which does not include having to feed the child every two to three hours without any slip-ups. It was a poor word choice on my part, in any case.😊
 
Very good points, actually- the only thing I’m not entirely in agreement with, is the idea that using ecological breastfeeding with what has been termed a contraceptive mentality is somehow, impossible because it has good ends. I cannot judge whether or not any particular woman has ever done so with the sole reason of postponing fertility- I can be convinced, but for now in my mind, it doesn’t stand to reason that a person can only do objectively good things for only good reasons. That it’s impossible to take an objectively good thing, feeding one’s child, in this case, and twist it into something selfish, or self-serving -seems to be the line of argument- correct me if I’m wrong. For example- if a person were to feed a poor man on the street with the “pure” motive of helping him- that would be best. If he were to feed him with mixed motives, say- “looking good to others” that would still be an objectively good action, in spite of the mixed motives. And, even if he were to feed the poor man when everyone was watching, and then give him a swift kick in the pants when everyone looked away- the action of feeding him is still objectively good. What I am suggesting then, is that it is possible to objectify the “poor man.” (child) in our hearts. That we- even though we are mothers with deep love for our children- are capable of doing that, and should be on guard against the mentality which can develop where our child is used to meets our needs for a time- even if what they are being “used” for is objectively good for them- it is primarily a danger to our own soul’s mentality, or potentially, the mother and child bond. What I’m not suggesting is that anyone who practices breastfeeding in order to delay the return of fertility is actually participating in such an objectification of the child I’m just saying that it is in fact, a possibility, from my own experience with it (I grant you that it may well be one that has never occurred, but we really can’t know that for certain) and in particular I think it may be a danger to we who are living in a culture which sees nothing wrong with manipulating one’s fertility in artificial ways- and which sees nothing whatever wrong with the objectification of children- a mentality to which we are all subjected and more or less desensitized to on a regular basis, whether we practice artificial contraception or not. Your thoughts?

Incidentally- I practiced ecological breastfeeding, and am in complete agreement that it is, per se, not extreme, according to your definition of it which does not include having to feed the child every two to three hours without any slip-ups. It was a poor word choice on my part, in any case.😊
I find your thoughts to be extremely logical. 👍

For the record - I’m also a big advocate for extended/full-term BF’ing… going strong with child #4 right now… and while I think it’s a wonderful gift that I’m giving to my children through self-sacrifice, I also sometimes get turned off at the apparent self-glorification and almost self-sanctification that some BF’ing mothers tend to portray. To me, it’s just feeding my baby. Maybe it’s just my perspective… I don’t know…🤷
 
Very good points, actually- the only thing I’m not entirely in agreement with, is the idea that using ecological breastfeeding with what has been termed a contraceptive mentality is somehow, impossible because it has good ends. I cannot judge whether or not any particular woman has ever done so with the sole reason of postponing fertility- I can be convinced, but for now in my mind, it doesn’t stand to reason that a person can only do objectively good things for only good reasons. That it’s impossible to take an objectively good thing, feeding one’s child, in this case, and twist it into something selfish, or self-serving -seems to be the line of argument- correct me if I’m wrong.
I actually completely agree with you on this. That’s why I said “almost no one.” It’s just been something that people DO. If science textbooks about the female reproductive system had been written 200 years ago with the same knowledge that we have today (e.g. not based on “humor theory”) they probably would have said most women don’t experience a return of their cycles until 1-2 years post-childbirth on average. But after a few generations of predominant use of formula, that knowledge has been almost completely lost. It is now “not normal” to go that long, even though it’s actually what should be normal for most women.

It’s not that I don’t think you COULDN’T do ecological breastfeeding with a contraceptive mentality, I just think that with the way it’s been practiced it is highly unlikely that it has occurred to many people to use it that way. It’s just grandma, or another woman who’s “been there,” showing a new mom “This is how you feed your baby. This is how you carry her close to you so you can still do your work and have her nearby. This is how you sleep with her so she can nurse while you get some rest. When she roots at your breast, that means she’s hungry. She’ll probably be ready for adult food around the time she gets teeth but let her show you she’s interested, but she’ll still nurse for a while. Oh, and after you finish this big bleeding you probably won’t bleed again for a year or two. When you do, then you can have another baby.” Or it would have been something the new mom already knew after seeing so many other women in her family and community go through the same thing.

I guess I think that the OP would only have this question in a culture where breastfeeding is not normative. No one would ask “am I feeding my baby morally?” if she’s breastfeeding the same way her mother, grandmother, sisters, and friends do. It’s just how it is. I do think moms (and dads!) should prayerfully consider why they make the parenting choices they do, absolutely, but breastfeeding this way is simply the way our bodies are designed to work. It can be hard to make it work in today’s society, but that’s a matter of external factors (for example: anti-BF culture, increasing need [or at least perceived need in some cases] of the two-income family, not a problem with us and how God designed us.)
 
I find your thoughts to be extremely logical. 👍

For the record - I’m also a big advocate for extended/full-term BF’ing… going strong with child #4 right now… and while I think it’s a wonderful gift that I’m giving to my children through self-sacrifice, I also sometimes get turned off at the apparent self-glorification and almost self-sanctification that some BF’ing mothers tend to portray. To me, it’s just feeding my baby. Maybe it’s just my perspective… I don’t know…🤷
I agree with you about this too. I hope I’m not coming off as some kind of BF self-sanctifier. 😊 I’m just used to a lot of pushback, especially since my 20 month old is still nursing (and I’m pregnant), and many friends and family think that I am “weird” for doing so, that what I’m doing is unnatural (or even harmful), and so I am a bit sensitive about it. So when I see a thread where the OP is worried that breastfeeding could be immoral of all things…and sure, I guess it could be…but how many women actually do it for immoral reasons? Like you said, we’re just feeding our kids. And it shouldn’t be regarded as weird that we do it this way, but for some crazy reason it is. 😦

Maybe I am a tad oversensitive on this topic. 😊
 
I agree with you about this too. I hope I’m not coming off as some kind of BF self-sanctifier. 😊 I’m just used to a lot of pushback, especially since my 20 month old is still nursing (and I’m pregnant), and many friends and family think that I am “weird” for doing so, that what I’m doing is unnatural (or even harmful), and so I am a bit sensitive about it. So when I see a thread where the OP is worried that breastfeeding could be immoral of all things…and sure, I guess it could be…but how many women actually do it for immoral reasons? Like you said, we’re just feeding our kids. And it shouldn’t be regarded as weird that we do it this way, but for some crazy reason it is. 😦

Maybe I am a tad oversensitive on this topic. 😊
NO - I wasn’t suggesting ANYONE on this thread was… it’s just something I’ve observed elsewhere!!! 🙂
 
Unless I missed it, I don’t think that anyone said that it’s impossible for someone to take an objectively good thing and twist it into something selfish. The question is whether breastfeeding with the intent to space children is twisting at all. If that’s God’s intent, then how could it be wrong to align ourselves with God’s intent? So the question really does boil down to the actual act of breastfeeding which many keep trying to make the distinction that it doesn’t matter. It does matter. It matters a lot. If breastfeeding is just this neutral thing that has no moral coding then I could see how some might think of it this way. But I can not reconcile many of the rest of the church’s teachings if I hold this attitude. Doesn’t make sense to me. If I think of it that way, I can’t support laws that withhold the sanctity of marriage because there would be no reason to.

If you hold the premise that child spacing is inherently selfish, then that’s where I differ in thought. God planned child spacing is for the greater good. There is so much evidence of this, not only in science but in the beauty of God’s design. When I look at biology and physiology I can not conclude anything other than that it is God’s plan for women to breastfeed their children. Are there valid reasons that some women may not choose to. Yes! But let’s face it, most of the time that women choose not to, it’s coming from a place of selfishness and self-serving. Most, not all. As a result, we now live in a culture that doesn’t understand normal breastfeeding. I breastfed 3 children without ever reading one sentence about “ecological breastfeeding”, yet I nursed them all around the clock for years. I did this only by the grace of God. I am nothing special with no particularly holiness of my own. God gave me the grace to do this, to follow his plan by way of what is written in my own DNA and what is written in my baby’s DNA. But a lot of people have outside influence from their culture that takes them away from God’s plan for their body and their babies postpartum. That’s why I’m glad that the term 'ecological breastfeeding" has been created and there is education/direction for women who need it. But this is not how to twist God’s plan but rather how to become in-line with God’s plan.

To me, “Birth Control Methods” are things that people make up to prevent birth. I don’t view God’s plan for women as a “Birth Control Method” even though it does require participation on behalf of the woman and her baby. It’s instituted by God, not man. The PP is right, in cultures where natural full-term breastfeeding is the norm, this would not even be a question. It’s only a question because we’ve come away from God’s design in our current culture and we’ve done this out of selfishness. And this feels like twisting the twisting, to think that we can’t breastfeed as our bodies and babies are designed to do if we have the intent of child spacing even though God intended us to have child spacing. What a twisting!

How could wanting what God wants for us be compared to giving to a poor man for our own glory? God doesn’t want us to give to others just so that we can look good. There may be some disagreement about whether God actually “wants” us to breastfeed (I think he does), but even the other side doesn’t think that God doesn’t want us to breastfeed. I think the argument from the other side would at least be that he doesn’t care either way, right? Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

So in summary of my long ramble, it’s not that it’s ok because the end justifies the means. It’s that in the case of breastfeeding with the intent to child space, the means are good too! Both the means and the end are in line with God’s plan and a benefit to the greater good.
 
I didn’t even learn about ecological BFing or LAM (lactation-suppressed ovulation) until years after I started BFing my first-born. I was rather like “Oh hum, so there is a name for what I have been doing. Big deal.” 🤷
I just started my nursing relationship with my baby, and let her behavioral cues and my body’s signals guide me. That meant lots of closeness through the day, lots of snuggles and sleep-nursing at night. Of course that also meant that I was breaking just about EVERY single rule about newborn and infant care! 🤷
Back when I had my first born, I was THE youngest and first to have a child of anyone of my generation or peer group. Therefore, I was going it totally alone. The whole natural childbirth thing, followed up with exclusive BFing and extended (full-term) BFing was absolutely unheard of. I was subjected to repeated interrogations from family and friends who thought that I was harming my child. But by the time my third child was born, the culture around me had started to change. Thank God!
My family is still in a small minority in America, in the choices we make with regard to birthing and feeding and family planning. But I am a more confident mother now (most days, at least, until preggo hormones take over), and I have three healthy babies that attest to the goodness of just following God’s plan for a woman’s fertility. For us, it is just normal. Frankly, I have found it easier and simpler just to do what my body is already doing, rather than fight against natural law. 🙂
 
I really want to take some time to respond, but at the moment I don’t have time to draft a response- I just wanted the OP and the other posters here to know that I’m not intending to fail to respond- it’s just I need to find the time-and formulate my thoughts more so that I can put my personal views into better language. Whew- this is hard! 🙂

I’ll be back as soon as I can-
 
I just want to respond to a couple of points in Kelly’s excellent letter-
Unless I missed it, I don’t think that anyone said that it’s impossible for someone to take an objectively good thing and twist it into something selfish. The question is whether breastfeeding with the intent to space children is twisting at all.
You are correct- using the word “impossible” was wrong- what I meant to point out is that some of the remarks here seem directed towards the idea that using breastfeeding with the sole intent (no mixed motivations) of prolonging infertility is almost never done, by any woman. Or if it is, it would be “very rare.” In this case I would have to disagree, based on the individual nature of each and every union, and each and every choice. We simply cannot know that, and neither does it absolve us of the responsibility to enter into any idea of child spacing with prayerful and prudential judgement, and with guidance of a trustworthy confessor.

in his “Address to Midwives on the Nature of Their Profession,” found here: papalencyclicals.net/Pius12/index.htm Pope Pius XII had this to say:

"Serious motives, such as those which not rarely arise from medical, eugenic, economic and social so-called “indications,” may exempt husband and wife from the obligatory, positive debt for a long period or even for the entire period of matrimonial life. From this it follows that the observance of the natural sterile periods may be lawful, from the moral viewpoint: and it is lawful in the conditions mentioned. If, however, according to a reasonable and equitable judgment, there are no such grave reasons either personal or deriving from exterior circumstances, the will to avoid the fecundity of their union, while continuing to satisfy to tile full their sensuality, can only be the result of a false appreciation of life and of motives foreign to sound ethical principles." (my emphasis added)

So-I’m only advocating for what the church has always taught us- that NFP should be used for serious reasons since we are to view the conception as pure gift, not burdensome, not agony, not a terror. Check out this website, if you are interested in reading an article on the topic.cantuar.blogspot.ca/2012/02/you-can-only-use-nfp-for-grave.html

Now I realize that breastfeeding and period continence are two different things- however we are speaking in this case, of an extended form of breastfeeding which may- please note- may -fall under the same guidelines. I for one, am not certain it does, I’d have to do more research- so that’s why I’m advocating for prayerful discernment in the using of such a method - and the Church does instruct us that whenever we look to enjoy (or in some cases -especially tired ones- allow our spouse to enjoy!) the sensual part of our union in times of infertility we should do so with prayer spiritual direction and an attitude of caution and even a certain type of regret at the impossibility of conception… I think it’s really important for us to remember this, since we live in a time where the conception of many children is generally considered burdensome, slightly crazy, even selfish- and we may feel that we are offering God something by accepting more children rather than rejoicing in what He has so lovingly offered us. I think that you and I- everyone reading- is affected, more or less, by that cultural mentality we live with, day in, and day out.
How could wanting what God wants for us be compared to giving to a poor man for our own glory? God doesn’t want us to give to others just so that we can look good.
Again this was a poor choice of words on my part- it was intended only as a logical example, to give a correlation between a similar idea of motives- not to insinuate that women may breastfeed for self-glorification or something like that- that wasn’t the intent of my example. Let me use another to clarify what I meant: in the case of marital relations both means (physical pleasure bonding, release, etc) and ends are goods, per se, this does not mean, however, that marital relations are rarely, if ever, entered into with a spirit of self-orientation by either, or both, spouses. Not necessarily. Do we know if they ever are, by any couple? That is something that we really can’t say, but we can have some idea based on our own experiences with sin, whether this is a danger in this world, or not. And then, we can pray before we enter the carnal junction so that we don’t fall into sin- and God will not fail us. But we should bear in mind, John 1 verse 8-10 says that any man who considers himself to be without sin, is deceiving himself- so I think we need to tread prayerfully in the area of reproductive choices, child-spacing, etc- such a serious, serious responsibility- and not just assume that when we decide to limit our family size through natural methods, we do so without sin, based on the grounds that it’s natural and the means and ends are both good. There is a fine line between crossing over into the area of actual sinfulness- especially with breastfeeding as a “method” - I’ll grant you that- and if there are any sides in this argument (which may be arguable in itself:D ) it is only, it seems to me, that some of us advocate for a cautious and prayerful attitude when it comes to the use of any method at all of NFP or child spacing- and some, it appears, do not think it is possible for sin to be involved in such decisions, under the premise that a child is being fed. I must continue below because my post is too long-😊
 
On a more personal note which does not enter into the quite interesting logical part of this discussion- being a person who meets the “serious motives” criteria given us by Pius the XII it is very likely for myself, that due to medical issues I may never again suckle another child at the breast. I deeply wish that I had not used any method of child spacing (beyond the normal range that is reasonable for all women of course- of course! A child should be allowed to breastfeed for as long as they need to, IMO! ) but- that being said, you never know when God is going to take away the ability to conceive. In my case, it is now, although I’m still young- most likely, too late. I never in a million years would have predicted or foreseen this possibility, I always assumed that I would be able to have many children, and thus, used NFP for child-spacing. I’m just trying to point out that we are not necessarily as in control of our family size as we may think- in fact, it is far more likely that most of us women will end up with far fewer children than we desire, than it is that we will end up with more.😃 This is even the case of women with very large families! The Church seems to agree with our viewpoint! Some is good- more is better!😃
 
I’m sorry if my thoughts or comments yesterday offended anyone- I’m as sincerely trying to arrive at the truth as all of you are…and I fully recognize that there may well be error in my thinking.

peace-
 
I’m sorry if my thoughts or comments yesterday offended anyone- I’m as sincerely trying to arrive at the truth as all of you are…and I fully recognize that there may well be error in my thinking.

peace-
I can’t speak for anyone else but you certainly did not offend me! I thought your posts were excellent! And I feel the same way in that I am sincerely trying to arrive at the truth. I know for me, and I’m assuming for you too, the reason we might not totally agree is that something the other person is saying seems to be in contradiction with our understanding of the church’s teachings. I really appreciated the link to the Address to Midwives and I feel like it touched the heart of what I am thinking in my mind but not able to properly express with my own words. It’s about our responsibility as mothers. I am not of the thought that there is such a thing as “extended” breastfeeding unless we are talking about age 8 or above. The natural age of weaning is between 2.5 and 7. What has become common place, largely out of human selfishness, has been to prematurely wean our children in this modern culture. This is a relatively new phenomenon in the history of humanity. But part of our creation as women is to become holy through becoming a mother. To give ourselves fully to our children and to become a servant leader. The quote with bolding from the Address, was specifically talking about observing the fertile periods which we both agree is a separate issue from God given suppressed ovulation by way of the normal course of breastfeeding. So, I have a hard time applying that to the other but I can see how you would feel they fall under the same guidelines.

The last thing I want to do is tell others the wrong thing. This is only my opinion and an opinion that could be very flawed. I will definitely keep thinking on it and continue reading more and more on the subject. I can relate to what you wrote in your personal note. I will share that for me, I have not been able to have children on the timeline that I would have preferred and certainly not as many as I would have chosen. I have always dreamed of having a large family and it hasn’t played out for me. I have been married for 12.5 years and ‘only’ have 3 kids. I do feel extremely blessed for the children I have and I continue to work on realizing that God’s plan is better than my own. For me, my lack of more children has nothing to do with breastfeeding suppressed ovulation as all the years that we have spent trying to conceive and being unable, I was cycling just fine. My husband and I both have other fertility issues. Additionally, we have lost one baby half way through a pregnancy which took up more time than an earlier loss especially considering it it took 18 months of cycles to conceive her in the first place. I’m still hoping to be blessed with more babies but my biological clock is ticking so I know there’s only realistically time for so many more. We truly don’t have that much control!
 
I’m sorry if my thoughts or comments yesterday offended anyone- I’m as sincerely trying to arrive at the truth as all of you are…and I fully recognize that there may well be error in my thinking.

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I don’t see how anything you said could be offensive. In fact, in my recollection, everyone here has been kind and charitable and thoughtful. I enjoyed this thread very much so far. A lot of interesting stuff to ponder!
 
Oh! good…thanks for setting my mind at rest, I was just feeling a little nervous that I was being too strident, or something…i tend to get very in my head about these topics which sometimes comes across wrong. It’s just hard to tell on the internet without body language, whether what I’ve said is “ok” or not, kwim? I agree, this is an interesting thread…thank you, OP!🙂
 
Wow, thank you for all of the thoughtful responses to this! I think you are right that breastfeeding is how we are meant to feed our babies, and that the suppression of fertility is a natural side effect that in some ways, God provides.

I guess I only feel weird about it because I am pretty excited I’ve had 11 months without having to worry about abstaining (how my husband and I hate abstaining!) since we do have serious reasons to avoid pregnancy.
 
Alfonso Cardinal Lopez Trujillo, then President of the Pontifical Council for the Family, wrote a foreword for two of my books on ecological breastfeeding. I did not request that he do this; he simply volunteered when he became aware of them. On March 18, 1964, John Paul II was critical of the UN final draft document on Population and Development, stressing more attention should be given to “the positive benefits of breastfeeding for nourishment and disease prevention in infants, as well as for maternal bonding and birth spacing.” For those involved in this discussion about my work, I encourage you to read Breastfeeding and Catholic Motherhood and The Seven Standards of Ecological Breastfeeding: The Frequency Factor. This topic is also discussed in our online manual, Natural Family Planning: The Complete Approach, available at www.NFPandmore.org. A $10 donation is requested for the download. If one is truly poor, it is free. Free charts are also available at the home page. Sheila Kippley
 
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