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I have been to a couple of weddings where the priest stood in the aisle and the bride and groom stood on the elevated area where the altar is. The wedding couple faced the people. Is this usual anywhere? It seems odd to me.
 
Well, we wouldn’t want the bride and groom to have their backs to the congregation for the whole service, would we? that would be mighty peculiar. How could the congregation feel like part of the ceremony? They’d just be spectators instead of active participants.

And someone needs to do something about the couple mumbling their vows. Ugh! :nope:
 
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katy:
I have been to a couple of weddings where the priest stood in the aisle and the bride and groom stood on the elevated area where the altar is. The wedding couple faced the people. Is this usual anywhere? It seems odd to me.
I’ve never seen this before. I would hope that priests would not allow this. It seems like the bride & groom are usurping the role of the priest.
 
President Lyndon Johnson’s daughter did this, though it was not a Catholic wedding.

The idea seems absurd to me, as the whole point is for the couple to face the altar.
 
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paramedicgirl:
I’ve never seen this before. I would hope that priests would not allow this. It seems like the bride & groom are usurping the role of the priest.
The priest has a very small role. He is more of a witness guiding the couple through the sacrament as they are married in their relationship with God.
 
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mjdonnelly:
The priest has a very small role. He is more of a witness guiding the couple through the sacrament as they are married in their relationship with God.
In fact, the Bridge and Groom are the actual ministers of the Sacrament. This is why Deacons can officiate at Weddings outside of the Mass.

This is only true in the Latin Church. In the Eastern Churches, the priest’s blessing is required to complete the marriage and make it valid. Therefore only a priest can officiate at Eastern Catholic weddings.
 
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paramedicgirl:
I’ve never seen this before. I would hope that priests would not allow this. It seems like the bride & groom are usurping the role of the priest.
Its not unusual and how could anybody remotely think that this could be construed as usurping the role of the priest?
 
I can see no earthly reason for them to face the people - except a lack of understanding of the Sacrament of Marriage. They are not making their vows to the congregation. They are making them to God. We face the Altar to do that, regardless of the fact that God is everywhere - we need focus.

I sincerely hope that this was a wedding without a Nuptial Mass!

When the Wedding is in the context of a Nuptial Mass, the marriage vows are exchanged in the middle of it. It would be totally improper to have the couple face the congregation. They are not the witnesses to the marriage - the Best Man and the Bridesmaid are, and they are standing right beside the couple.

The congregation might like to hear the vows exchanged, but it is totally unnecessary. Anyway, it can always be arranged that they use microphones, if they want everyone to hear.

Personally, I have never seen anything like this - but then, I do not live in the United States. It seems like you can see anything you could imagine there!!
 
at my wedding, and just about every Catholic wedding I have ever attended, including my 3 daughters, the couple face each other during the exchange of vows, because it is Catholic teaching that the couple are the ordinary ministers of the sacrament for each other, and the priest is the official witness of the Church. The best man and maid of honor stand nearby because they are the witnesses of the assembly.where they stand, sit or kneel for the rest of the service, or Mass if there is one, is probably dictated by the photographer, unfortunately, which is why many churches insist on using their own recommended photographers.
 
It was in the context of the Mass. My sensors went up because there were no missalettes, and the priest said “God” in place of he, when referring to God when I know the pronoun “he” is the actual word. And it just seemed awkward and odd.
 
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MusicMan:
In fact, the Bridge and Groom are the actual ministers of the Sacrament. This is why Deacons can officiate at Weddings outside of the Mass.
I’m trying to figure out what you mean by this. In the Latin Rite, the role and function of the Priest and Deacon as the church’s witness are the same, and both give the blessing. The deacon is not permitted only because the couple are the ministers of the Sacrament to each other, the deacon is an ordinary minister in this context, as is the priest.
 
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TableServant:
I’m trying to figure out what you mean by this. In the Latin Rite, the role and function of the Priest and Deacon as the church’s witness are the same, and both give the blessing. The deacon is not permitted only because the couple are the ministers of the Sacrament to each other, the deacon is an ordinary minister in this context, as is the priest.
But the “meat” of the sacrament is the exchange of vows made in front of God and the congregation present. The presence of a priest or deacon is required for validity in a Catholic ceremony, but even that can be dispensed with with the permission of the bishop if the ceremony takes place in a protestant church. The priest, deacon, or minister do not “marry” the couple. They marry each other. The priest or deacon may say," I now pronounce you man and wife" but that is formally recognizing what has already taken place. The blessing is a nice thing to have, but is not an essential part of the sacrament. Five of my six children have been married, four of them had a wedding Mass, one did not. A Catholic Wedding with a Mass is so beautiful compared to the shorter protestant version of the Sacrament.
 
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rwoehmke:
But the “meat” of the sacrament is the exchange of vows made in front of God and the congregation present. The presence of a priest or deacon is required for validity in a Catholic ceremony, but even that can be dispensed with with the permission of the bishop if the ceremony takes place in a protestant church. The priest, deacon, or minister do not “marry” the couple. They marry each other. The priest or deacon may say," I now pronounce you man and wife" but that is formally recognizing what has already taken place. The blessing is a nice thing to have, but is not an essential part of the sacrament. Five of my six children have been married, four of them had a wedding Mass, one did not. A Catholic Wedding with a Mass is so beautiful compared to the shorter protestant version of the Sacrament.
So true …And of course, the ones with Masses had priests, right? (I’m not sure if that was the question raised by TableServant or not…when the Sacrament of Marriage and the Sacrament of the Eucharist are held together, there must be a priest because of the latter.)
 
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rwoehmke:
But the “meat” of the sacrament is the exchange of vows made in front of God and the congregation present. The presence of a priest or deacon is required for validity in a Catholic ceremony, but even that can be dispensed with with the permission of the bishop if the ceremony takes place in a protestant church. The priest, deacon, or minister do not “marry” the couple. They marry each other. The priest or deacon may say," I now pronounce you man and wife" but that is formally recognizing what has already taken place. The blessing is a nice thing to have, but is not an essential part of the sacrament. Five of my six children have been married, four of them had a wedding Mass, one did not. A Catholic Wedding with a Mass is so beautiful compared to the shorter protestant version of the Sacrament.
Yes, all of that is understood (though I wouldn’t exactly call the shorter rite “protestant”. It is validly Catholic, and can be very beautiful). I was just trying to figure out what you meant by “That is why Deacons can officiate…”. It seemed odd phrasing to say that this is **why, **when the deacon is an ordinary minister in this context - I mean that there is not an exception to say that “now, the Deacon may preside.”

Now, I think I understand. You meant that Priests or Deacons can be the presider and official witness at the shorter rite. And, actually, either a priest or deacon can be the church’s official witness during a Nuptial Mass, too (I’ve done it several times for relatives, friends, families in the parish with whom I am close, or for couples with whom I have been working to prepare them for the Sacrament).

And, yes, I prefer the Nuptial Mass to the shorter rite. In fact, all celebrations of the Sacraments are more fully expressed in the context of the Mass. It is not, however, always the best option, for pastoral reasons, for the couple or for the families involved. I don’t counsel against the Nuptial Mass, in fact, the other way around, but I will offer the shorter rite as an option in certain circumstances.

And, yes, Confiteor, the Nuptial Mass requires a priest, as any does any Mass. Yes, you could have a Communion Service and have the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony within that context, if necessary, but, again, the more full expression of the reality of the Sacrament is within the Nuptial Mass.

And, finally, to get back to the original question, no, I can’t see a reason for the couple to be facing the assembly at this point, either. The couple faces the priest or deacon, who is, usually, facing toward the assembly (with his back to the altar), and they face each other in proclaiming their vows.

This seems like an odd innovation, which, I don’t think, really is expressing what -whoever thought this up- meant it to.

I just wish we could celebrate the rite the way it is written (now, doesn’t that sound familiar)!

Dn. Jim.
 
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katy:
I have been to a couple of weddings where the priest stood in the aisle and the bride and groom stood on the elevated area where the altar is. The wedding couple faced the people. Is this usual anywhere? It seems odd to me.
What part of the wedding are you talking about or did they stand in front of the altar through the whole Nuptual Mass?
 
Dr. Bombay:
Well, we wouldn’t want the bride and groom to have their backs to the congregation for the whole service, would we? that would be mighty peculiar. How could the congregation feel like part of the ceremony? They’d just be spectators instead of active participants.

And someone needs to do something about the couple mumbling their vows. Ugh! :nope:
Their back is not to the people, it is in union with the people facing toward God. If they slightly face each other and God at the same time - what a beautiful posture.
 
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rwoehmke:
A Catholic Wedding with a Mass is so beautiful compared to the shorter protestant version of the Sacrament.
The Rite of Marriage is the exact same Rite when done within a Mass or without.

So how could one Sacrament be shorter than the other, and how could one be ‘protestant’ when the Form of the Sacrament of Marriage is exactly the same?
 
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Brendan:
The Rite of Marriage is the exact same Rite when done within a Mass or without.

So how could one Sacrament be shorter than the other, and how could one be ‘protestant’ when the Form of the Sacrament of Marriage is exactly the same?
“Shorter” may be a misnomer here. There is the celebration of the Sacrament in a Nuptial Mass, and there is the celebration of the Sacrament outside of Mass. The celebration of the Sacrament outside of Mass is a shorter celebration, as a whole, than the celebration in a Nuptial Mass, since the elements of the Mass add duration.
 
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buffalo:
Their back is not to the people, it is in union with the people facing toward God. If they slightly face each other and God at the same time - what a beautiful posture.
I believe the “back to the people” comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek. And yes, unity in worship is a beautiful thing.
 
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