Brigitte Bardot calls for halt to use of puppies as shark bait

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That’s barbaric. I can’t even imagine what type of person would do a thing such as that.
 
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severinus:
You’re doggone right. 😃
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LOL :rotfl: My chihuahuas have embarked on a plot to find timidity:eek:
 
Dear friends

Who on earth would sit at home and think ‘I know I’ll hook a puppy or a cat, doesn’t matter, to a line and dunk it, alive, in the sea to catch a shark?’

This looks like the work of a sick and very bored fisherman with too much time on his hands.

Very sick indeed. The cruelty of the world increases daily!

God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa
 
Why is everyone picking on Timidity? She feels badly for both the puppy and the worm. She is merely doing what all the animal rights people do, equating the feelings and sensitivity of a higher form of animal with that of a lower.

I hope I haven’t assumed the wrong gender for you, Timidity. If so, I apologize in advance…

What I don’t like about this thread is that a few, very ugly, incidents on a far away island, eclipse what goes on in our own countries every day. Bardot will probably use this to raise funds for her animal rights group; money which would be better given to one’s local animal welfare group. (Which you can check out for yourself, to make sure the money goes to the animals, and not to an eight million dollar estate in prime real estate country…)

I will be happy to pontificate about animal rights versus animal welfare, if any one wants me to…
 
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Ruthie:
What I don’t like about this thread is that a few, very ugly, incidents on a far away island, eclipse what goes on in our own countries every day. Bardot will probably use this to raise funds for her animal rights group; money which would be better given to one’s local animal welfare group. (Which you can check out for yourself,.
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You have a point, Ruthie. But when outrageous acts come to our attention, it would seem to be our duty to react to them in whatever way seems effective.
It’s a very small world, after all, and France is not that far away. We can register horror at these abusive acts and still contribute to whatever charity/issue concerns us most at home.
Keeping silent about this would say as much about us as about the sick people who commit such things.
 
If Bridget Bardot has taken up this cause, I certainly won’t citisise her. Personally, I give money to a Catholic orphanage in Central America. But, Ms Bardot is entitled to her charitable causes. Does anyone here think using puppies as bait to catch sharks is a positive thing? I think it sounds awful.
 
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Ruthie:
Why is everyone picking on Timidity? She feels badly for both the puppy and the worm. She is merely doing what all the animal rights people do, equating the feelings and sensitivity of a higher form of animal with that of a lower.

I hope I haven’t assumed the wrong gender for you, Timidity. If so, I apologize in advance…

What I don’t like about this thread is that a few, very ugly, incidents on a far away island, eclipse what goes on in our own countries every day. Bardot will probably use this to raise funds for her animal rights group; money which would be better given to one’s local animal welfare group. (Which you can check out for yourself, to make sure the money goes to the animals, and not to an eight million dollar estate in prime real estate country…)

I will be happy to pontificate about animal rights versus animal welfare, if any one wants me to…
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The difference is that dogs and cats have very highly developed nervous systems and can feel pain in a manner similar to humans. Worms and even fish have rudimentary nervous systems and thus the pain on the part of a fish is very slight and their consciousnesses are hardly developed enough to comprehend it and in the case of a worm the sense of pain is probably non-existant. Putting a hook in a worm is more akin to chopping down a tree than putting a hook in a puppy, and I can agree with the poster who expressed a lack of desire for someone who can’t see this fundamental difference to sit for their dog.
 
“We can register horror at these abusive acts and still contribute to whatever charity/issue concerns us most at home.
Keeping silent about this would say as much about us as about the sick people who commit such things.”

You’re right, Viki. I expressed myself badly. I didn’t mean that we should ignore it - but that it shouldn’t occupy our attention to the exclusion of local animal welfare issues.
 
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That’s barbaric. I can’t even imagine what type of person would do a thing such as that.

More barbaric, the jaws of death wrapped around a human fetus on an anticeptic hospital table.

Oh Brigitte, if only you would get your rage properly directed!
 
Several people have said that they “can’t imagine the kind of people” who would do this…Others come back with arguments about how we should not “elevate animals to human dignity”.
A lot of you have made good points. A lot of you just don’t get it. So, here goes, once again:
Ted Bundy tortured & killed animals.
Jeffrey Dahmer tortured & killed animals.
Henry Lee Lucas tortured & killed small animals.
Every serial killer in the annals of crime tortured and killed animals.
Every serial rapist, & every torture murderer in the annals of crime tortured & killed animals.
The Nazis trained the Gestapo by having them torture & kill animals. They gave them pet after pet, gave them a chance to care for it, & then made them torture & kill it.
The Gestapo trained the people who worked in the Nazi death camps the same way that they had been trained.
Are you beginning to see the pattern yet?
Torturing and killing dogs and cats is the first step on the road to torturing & killing human beings.

Right now, out there in the world, somewhere not too far from where you live, is someone who has been torturing & killing puppies & kittens. Do you want him coming through your window tonight?
No, I didn’t think so.
If you cannot summon the decency to consider the animals, think about the human beings who are the sure target for these people. Sooner or later, one of these fisherman is going to decide that a baby would make even better “bait”. Maybe, just maybe, we need to stop him before he thinks of that.
Or, maybe,just maybe, some of them all ready have thought of it…
I can easily, you see, imagine the kind of people who do these things.Some of them have M.D.s & work in abortion “clinics”.

God bless.
 
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Zooey:
Several people have said that they “can’t imagine the kind of people” who would do this…Others come back with arguments about how we should not “elevate animals to human dignity”.
A lot of you have made good points. A lot of you just don’t get it. So, here goes, once again:
Ted Bundy tortured & killed animals.
Jeffrey Dahmer tortured & killed animals.
Henry Lee Lucas tortured & killed small animals.
Every serial killer in the annals of crime tortured and killed animals.
Every serial rapist, & every torture murderer in the annals of crime tortured & killed animals.
The Nazis trained the Gestapo by having them torture & kill animals. They gave them pet after pet, gave them a chance to care for it, & then made them torture & kill it.
The Gestapo trained the people who worked in the Nazi death camps the same way that they had been trained.
Are you beginning to see the pattern yet?
Torturing and killing dogs and cats is the first step on the road to torturing & killing human beings.

Right now, out there in the world, somewhere not too far from where you live, is someone who has been torturing & killing puppies & kittens. Do you want him coming through your window tonight?
No, I didn’t think so.
If you cannot summon the decency to consider the animals, think about the human beings who are the sure target for these people. Sooner or later, one of these fisherman is going to decide that a baby would make even better “bait”. Maybe, just maybe, we need to stop him before he thinks of that.
Or, maybe,just maybe, some of them all ready have thought of it…
I can easily, you see, imagine the kind of people who do these things.Some of them have M.D.s & work in abortion “clinics”.

God bless.
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I wonder if Ms. Bardot would be protesting if they were using large rats, or some other animal that wasn’t as cute as a puppy or kitten?

Probably not.

Ever see what happens to a rat from eating rat poison?
 
I don’t see a moral problem with this practice.
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The Church does- Serious cruelty to animals is a mortal sin.
What makes it okay to do it to a worm but not another dumb animal? Because it’s cute and furry? That makes no sense at all.
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Worms don’t feel pain, or react to being submerged in water the way dogs and cats do- if they even feel pain or react to subersion in water at all. With your logic, it could be argued that squashing a fly, or spraying a wasp with bug spray is wrong, because feeding dogs and cats to sharks is wrong.
If it’s the best way to catch sharks, then it’s the best way.
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Who says it’s the best way? How many pets do you think are stolen and sold to these fishermen? It’s no different than people who steal dogs and cats in this country and sell them to chemical labs for animal testing.
Cruelty for the sake of cruelty is wrong. But this isn’t for the sake of cruelty, and raising animals to the same level of dignity as humans is also wrong.
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Using certain animals as fish bait when they are relatively advanced life-forms is wrong (this includes mammals- unless they are already dead- and birds). They feel pain, and they react to being submerged in water.
 
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Zooey:
Several people have said that they “can’t imagine the kind of people” who would do this…Others come back with arguments about how we should not “elevate animals to human dignity”.
A lot of you have made good points. A lot of you just don’t get it. So, here goes, once again:
Ted Bundy tortured & killed animals.
Jeffrey Dahmer tortured & killed animals.
Henry Lee Lucas tortured & killed small animals.
Every serial killer in the annals of crime tortured and killed animals.
Every serial rapist, & every torture murderer in the annals of crime tortured & killed animals.
The Nazis trained the Gestapo by having them torture & kill animals. They gave them pet after pet, gave them a chance to care for it, & then made them torture & kill it.
The Gestapo trained the people who worked in the Nazi death camps the same way that they had been trained.
Are you beginning to see the pattern yet?
Torturing and killing dogs and cats is the first step on the road to torturing & killing human beings.

Right now, out there in the world, somewhere not too far from where you live, is someone who has been torturing & killing puppies & kittens. Do you want him coming through your window tonight?
No, I didn’t think so.
If you cannot summon the decency to consider the animals, think about the human beings who are the sure target for these people. Sooner or later, one of these fisherman is going to decide that a baby would make even better “bait”. Maybe, just maybe, we need to stop him before he thinks of that.
Or, maybe,just maybe, some of them all ready have thought of it…
I can easily, you see, imagine the kind of people who do these things.Some of them have M.D.s & work in abortion “clinics”.

God bless.
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I completley agree
 
Using certain animals as fish bait when they are relatively advanced life-forms is wrong (this includes mammals- unless they are already dead- and birds). They feel pain, and they react to being submerged in water.
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Reptiles feel pain too.

Where on the phylogenetic list do we decide that there is “enough” sentience to assume suffering can occur? I have no idea. My point is that cruelty is not a gift of the Spirit. Recognizing it though might be.
 
Why on earth are we discussing why it might be all right to torture animals? Who here among us doesn’t think that shoving a hook through a live dog’s nose and dropping it into the sea isn’t sadistic? It’s sadistic. People can verbally punish Ms Bardot for not doing things they think she should be doing. But she’s doing something good and positive.

Imagine what it would be like if all humans saw suffering like this and thought, well, not human, so nothing to worry about. Nothing to do with me.

I totally agree with the posts by Zooey and Severinus
 
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